“Ocean’s Thirteen”
Sorry to be the bearer, but Ocean’s Thirteen (Warner Bros., 6.8) is nothing to drop your socks for or go “hell, yeah!” about. I just came out of the 11 a.m. Cannes press screening, and my reaction was that flat-hand gesture where you kind of wiggle it and go “okay, yeah… meh.”
No journalist I’ve spoken to thus far is doing cartwheels over this thing. No, take that back — one major-publication guy thought it was better than Ocean’s Twelve. But then I have fairly skewed tastes (I found the Julia-Roberts-pretending-to-be-Julia Roberts bit in that Rome hotel hilarious), so maybe the mainstreamers who derive a part-of-the-crowd comfort from the mere act of watching a big-studio franchise movie (the content being another matter entirely) will get off on it.
Update: Here’s Todd McCarthy‘s Variety review, which is pretty favorable.
I didn’t hate Ocean’s Thirteen — I smiled at times and came out shrugging. It rolls along and gets fairly intricate at times and does the expected rabbit-trick thing. But the first half is on the boring side. (Saying that something “is on the boring side” is a chickenshit way of saying it’s boring.) Set-up, set-up…exposition, exposition. No real juice or laughs early on — only mild amusement.
The second half is “fun” here and there (there’s a total dropout moment when Clooney and Brad Pitt‘s character stop for a second to watch a house giveaway on Oprah and…okay, no spoilers) but, as a friend just wrote, “it doesn’t remotely make-up for the failure of the first [half].”
This being a revenge story, you obviously have to compare it The Sting. It wold be derelict not to. And in terms of enjoyment, charm, great bits, laughs, snappy dialogue, tension-suspense and fakeout moves, it doesn’t even come close. I wish it were otherwise. This is not to say that Steven Soderbergh‘s third (and hopefully last) Ocean’s film stinks. It doesn’t, but the overall after-vibe is one of those lukewarm deals.
How good is Al Pacino‘s Willie Banks, the Robert Shaw/Doyle Lonnegan of the piece? The part isn’t really there in terms of depth or pizazz, so Pacino doesn’t have much to play. Ellen Barkin plays Pacino’s right-hand assistant, and ..well, she’s spirited. You know how the other guys are.
I’m sitting in the Salle du Presse waiting for George Clooney and the gang to show up (the festival goons let the journalists in 45 minutes ago, and the Thirteen crew won’t show for another 20 minutes) minutes from now!).
“Why the hell did they need to do this one?” a friend just asked me. To make money, obviously, and to help keep the Soderbergh-coolness ball in the air and to balance out the losses of his little arty films. That’s a fair and necessary equation, and for the sake of this I hope Ocean’s Thirteen does as well as the first two.
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Thank god Soderbergh hasn’t turned into a money-grubbing demon like Sam Raimi and Gore Verbinski…..
Better than Ocean’s 12? That’s like saying the bug spray tastes better than rat poison.
Goddamn, The Sting kicks ass.
“Glad to meet you kid, you’re a real horse’s ass.”
“Revenge is for suckers. I’ve been griftin’ thirty years, I never got any.”
“Luther said I could learn somethin’ from you. Already know how to drink.”
“Tough luck, Lonnehan. But that’s what you get for playing with your head up your ass.”
Were you really expecting it to be anything other than a so-so trifle?
“I found the Julia-Roberts-pretending-to-be-Julia Roberts bit in that Rome hotel hilarious”
that awful scene was the very definition of what soderbegh said he didn’t like about today’s films looking like they were directed from the back of a limo. i love me soderbergh and these films are harmless and smarter than the average bear, but let it end.
on the plus side, spielberg just gave clooney’s darfur fund a million bucks. go mia!
and you went to this pres conference but not qt’s?
Well, I must say that very little would match up to The Sting. It won the Oscar, for heaven’s sake, and starred at least three timeless cinema icons – Newman, Redford, Shaw, and throw in Durning as pretty good. I don’t suppose Soderburgh even dreams of an Oscar for this.
That being said, my own belief is that film reviewing is 90% subjective, depending on the viewer’s state of mind. And it would take a very very profound film to be more interesting than the beach and cafes of Cannes at 11 ayem.
So come home soon, Jeff. We need more reviews from the perspective of a pedestrian state of mind (or at least an old-beemer-riding one).
If you thought “Ocean’s 12″ was bad then dare ye to venture into the waters known as “The Sting II” with Mac Davis as Robert Redford, Jackie Gleason as Paul Newman and Oliver Reed as Robert Shaw. I made it through about five minutes of it and barely escaped with my life.
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STING 2 would be a great double feature with SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 3 — which originally featured gleason in both roles until disturbed preview audiences forced reshots favoring jerry reed as the bandit. i must see the original cut.
I guess we’ve already been over the “12 sucked, no it didn’t” routine. Most folks are on the former side and I’m not about to try and change anyone’s mind.
My question is, whoever came out of any Ocean’s movie going “Hell, yeah!” ? They’re not “Hell, yeah!” kinds of movies. “Hell, yeah!” is rock and roll. Ocean’s is more like jazz – a cool groove. Fun to some, boring to others, but definitely not rock and roll.
cj: Don’t denigrate jazz like that! I love rock and roll, but have heard more jaw dropping jazz than rock.
Who is denigrating Jazz? I’m a jazz tourist, but I like what I like. Ok, sure, an intense solo could make you go “hell yeah”, but I’m thinking more along the lines of Kind of Blue…it’s a groove. Jaws can drop but I’m not inspired to shout and that’s not a bad thing. That’s all I’m saying.
I guess 2007 is the year of the disappointing three-quel.
Deep down did anyone really expect it to be anything else?
I still not convinced 13 will disappoint, mainly because my expectations aren’t that high to start with.
Well…I thought Ocean’s 12 was better than 11, and I’m pretty sure it’s better than 13 too. The trailer makes it seem like a total 11 rehash with Vegas, casinos, disguises and blah blah blah
I also thought 12 was good – I liked it better than 11 because it was lighter, jazzier, more playful.
DZ: Keep up the good work.
It warms my heart to know I’m not the only one who admired 12. Makes me feel 27% less crazy.
I also thought 12 was much better than 11 and I’ve spoken to many other people who agree. It’s kind of like the comparison between Collateral and Miami Vice. Sure, Collateral and Ocean’s 11 are competent mainstream films, but they’re way too conventional. For all their weaknesses, Miami Vice and Ocean’s 12 are far more lively, surprising, and engaging films.
Oh, please don’t put Ocean’s 12 and Miami Vice in the same box.
I’m gonna ask a really stupid but seemingly obvious question:
why didn’t they get Ted Griffin to write 12 and 13?
I don’t think JD was putting MV on O12 in the same box so much as placing them in similar looking boxes that are situated in the same way compared to other boxes containing films of the same director.
MV and O12, not on
none of these three films come close to the original Ocean’s 11. Hopefully they’ll now focus on The Gooder German and Solari
Really? I thought this was a good example of a remake of a mediocre original that came out significantly better, aka the only way to do remakes.
nope. The plot was better in the first. The whole concept that these guys weren’t lifelong crooks. They were army buddies whose big war story was a failure. They aim to hit Vegas and live up to their self-mythology. The ending is perfect. Nobody wins. The “remake” is a fraud. It’s just a casino heist film featuring lifelong crooks. They don’t even hit five casinos – merely one “super vault.”
Plus you don’t get Sammy Davis Jr. singing “E-O Eleven.”
These knock offs have about as much in common with the source as Steve Martin’s “Cheaper By the Dozen” or The Pink Panther.
Plus, while everyone talks about the Rat Pack, that movie was owned by Caesar Romero. No analog in the remake.
I haven’t seen the original Ocean’s for 15 years, but my first response is to agree with Jeffmcm. Not because the remake was so great, but because the original was lazy and sloppy and got 90% of its mileage out of the casting.
The remake was just a casino heist film, true, but I thought it was solid.
Having said that, Corey and Rich have convinced me maybe it’s time to revisit the original. Maybe I’ll appreciate it more this time around.
I guess we’ve already been over the “12 sucked, no it didn’t” routine. Most folks are on the former side and I’m not about to try and change anyone’s mind.
My question is, whoever came out of any Ocean’s movie going “Hell, yeah!” ? They’re not “Hell, yeah!” kinds of movies. “Hell, yeah!” is rock and roll. Ocean’s is more like jazz – a cool groove. Fun to some, boring to others, but definitely not rock and roll.
Ted Griffin didn’t write Ocean’s 12 because he was deeply immersed in the 2-year process of writing Rumor Has It or, as it was called then, untitled Ted Griffin project. I stand by my belief that Griffin’s version of that movie might have been good. Aesthetically and tonally, he was going for something much closer to The Graduate, but then they inexplicably hired Rob Reiner who buried all the script’s nuance in caricature and broad comedy. I’m assuming they didn’t approach Griffin for O13 because he probably hates Soderbergh, Clooney, and Warner Bros. now. It’s too bad because, judging by the O11 commentary, Griffin and Soderbergh were a really good match of personalities.
corey3rd is correct on the original O11 having a superior story and even actual character goals. hard to believe the remake jettisoned this very simple but effective plot.
the movie itself is lazy and lifeless outside of the criminally underrated superpower of sammy davis jr who provides the only two great moments of the film (with a slight third going to the funny shirley maclain cameo):
1) singing EO11 natch.
2) the last shot of the film is amazing. the focus on sammy as the gang walk away forlorn from the funeral parlor, their dreams dashed.
Who is denigrating Jazz? I’m a jazz tourist, but I like what I like. Ok, sure, an intense solo could make you go “hell yeah”, but I’m thinking more along the lines of Kind of Blue…it’s a groove. Jaws can drop but I’m not inspired to shout and that’s not a bad thing. That’s all I’m saying.
And don’t get me wrong. I think the original O11 is kind of a sloppy affair. But Caesar Romero just rules. He is the epitome of the old silver fox.
Deep down did anyone really expect it to be anything else?
I still not convinced 13 will disappoint, mainly because my expectations aren’t that high to start with.
I was dissapointed with how the this one had too many villians. They really gave short shrift to Venom. Also, the plot was needless complicated. Nighy was good though, even behind all the makeup… wait…AGH I’M SO CONFUSED.
It warms my heart to know I’m not the only one who admired 12. Makes me feel 27% less crazy.
I learned today that “Ocean’s 13″ will not have a critics’ screening in some markets (like mine, in Salt Lake City). Does this bode ill for Warner Bros.’ confidence in the film?
I’m gonna ask a really stupid but seemingly obvious question:
why didn’t they get Ted Griffin to write 12 and 13?
I don’t think JD was putting MV on O12 in the same box so much as placing them in similar looking boxes that are situated in the same way compared to other boxes containing films of the same director.
MV and O12, not on
Positive reviews everywhere so far except for Corliss in TIME (and i mean, come on) – everybody else : Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Fox, Premiere, the UK press seems to think it’s a good time summer movie.
I haven’t seen the original Ocean’s for 15 years, but my first response is to agree with Jeffmcm. Not because the remake was so great, but because the original was lazy and sloppy and got 90% of its mileage out of the casting.
The remake was just a casino heist film, true, but I thought it was solid.
Having said that, Corey and Rich have convinced me maybe it’s time to revisit the original. Maybe I’ll appreciate it more this time around.
Another vote here for Ocean’s 12 over the remake of 11. While the first one was very enjoyable (and that jazz metaphor used above was very apt), the second one actually copped to the truth of the situation–some talented, cool guys spending studio money while living it up in relaxing locations, solely to fund their own independent projects. Ocean’s 12 was a lot looser, and directed more in Soderbergh’s new wave style, thereby a more personal film. Instead of trying to top the heist from the first film, Soderbergh inverts the genre and has all of our central characters in jail for the climactic scene. Some felt that and the Julia as Julia thing was a fuck you to the audience, I saw it as a loving wink to the independent crowd who respects these guys and the work they’re doing in cinema. Everyone had tongue planted firmly in cheek, and I love that scene (famous from the trailer) where Pitt says some vague, wannabe secretive stuff to Damon, who replied “Oooooh” sarcastically, waving his hands. Catherine Zeta Jones, however believable as an INTERPOL agent, was a beautiful(so much more down-to-earth hot with short hair) breath of fresh air, and I strangely found her reunion with Albert Finney at the end tremendously moving, which is a credit to the director. Plus, there’s that dizzily exhilirating end credit sequence, with the zoom and freeze frame on CZJ’s laughing face, which would seem like a strange place to end the film, but is such a tonally correct choice, jazz again, I imagine. If 13 splits the difference between the two films, I’ll be very happy.
I think you summed up 12 nicely lazarus. You can’t take it very seriously, but it never asks you to. Some find that annoying, but I enjoyed it.
I think you summed up 12 nicely lazarus. You can’t take it very seriously, but it never asks you to. Some find that annoying, but I enjoyed it.
I love the locations in 12 and Vincent Cassel. So even though the Julia is Julia thing annoyed me I still had a good time.
There are very few big Hollywood movies geared toward adults, this is one of them. No smart ass animals, no extend CGI, just good looking men, dressed well. I’m there.
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