Maxim-Screen Gems horndog movies
Why were films like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Porky’s, American Pie and The Last American Virgin “both commercially and artistically successful? Because the creators drew from real-life experiences, and therefore made movies that reflected the genuine nostalgia they felt for those experiences.
“These films weren’t made from an assembly line, where a group of old men sitting around a boardroom tried to come up with ‘shockingly hilarious’ bits to stitch into a sex comedy. These films — well, except perhaps for Porky’s — had sincere characters and solid story construction upon which to hang the naughty bits.”
So says a rant by The Rec Show’s “Ray” about a 7.30 Michael Fleming story in Variety about an alliance between Maxim Films and Screen Gems to make a series of young-guy horndog movies.
Wow, Maxim Films and Screen Gems – those are names you can trust!
Fast Times defined its era so perfectly that today it seems like the work of a modern filmmaker reflecting on the past, like Linklater and Dazed and Confused. It seems too spot-on to be a product of its own time.
I’m glad they excepted Porky’s. I was right in their desired demographic when it came out and I could never understand why it became so popular. Even for a teen sex comedy, it was overly mean-spirited and especially crude.
Rich S: Porky’s was a big hit because older men went to see it in large numbers, and they did so precisely because it was mean-spirited and crude.
i hated PORKY’S that summer. but loved FTARH. and still do.
I’m with Rich S. on this one. Even at a time in my life that I was laughing at crappy movies like “Bacheleor Party” and “Police Academy” I knew that “Porky’s” was a piece of shit. I’m always suprised that it is remembered so fondly. It seemed like a movie for people who still thought Fonzie was fresh and still wore t-shirts with pictures of Mickey Mouse flipping off the Ayatolla.
Fast Times – written by Cameron Crowe. His works since vindicates all of us who always thought it was great film; people don’t have to put in the category of a “guilty pleasure”.
these movies were all about one thing, the possibility of seeing nude women, even if just a peak, that was the hook!! i saw porkies it was crude but the peep hole in the shower scene and the dyke teacher were just what…blah blah blah. with internet porn so prevelant im surprised that these movies still bring out the geeks i mean kids…
Last American Virgin wasn’t a hit on the level of the other three. It pretty much didn’t even register amongst the cinemax after dark crowd.
Why did Porkys strike it big? Because it had the greatest movie trailer ever. it set up all the situations and the voice told us he couldn’t show us the other side because you have to pay. But when you paid your admission price, you saw the other side of the shower.
Fast Times gets summed up in Ms Cates coming out of the pool. Plus enough stoner and fast food culture to show it wasn’t just dumb kid stuff. But let’s face it, once word of Cates and the pool got out – everyone paid to get the view.
I have no idea why any paid to see American Pie.
And what about My Tutor?
That image of Phoebe Cates still has the power to make me feel 13 years old again. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, but there you go.
Frankly, at the time the promise of nudity was my biggest interest in Fast Times and it was only later I realized it was a perfect slice of a certain time and place and a truly great movie.
The sex and drugs and music are still there, but it’s still one of the more honest and sensitive portrayals of difficult subjects like abortion.
The old Sherman Oaks Galleria is no more and neither are films like Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
What a punch of puritantical bluestockings you lot are! Porky’s is worth it just for the scene where the fat female teacher has to describe the “showers incident” to the dean and and where he and all the rest of the male faculty starts to break up. I nearly broke a rib laughing at that scene.
a PORKY’S rave from ian sinclair?
are the end times near?
Fast Times was the first evidence of the Crowe genius to come.
What makes it great?
-how it captures the time (as others have said)
-how it has t&a mixed with real character stuff (e.g. the abortion stuff)
-how almost everyone in the cast went on to awesomeness of varying degrees (let’s count the Oscar nominees to be: Whittaker, Penn, Cage, Leigh, Reinhold…okay, maybe not Reinhold)
It’s really in a different league from simple tittyfests like Porky’s.
You can divide your 80s boob movies into three classes.
CLASS A – Geniune Classics (Fast Times, Revenge of the Nerds)
CLASS B – Guilty pleasures (Porky’s, Police Academy)
CLASS C – The endless parade of Animal House rip-offs too myriad to name (any of the Meatballs sequels count here)
I’d love to read Crowe’s actual book of Fast Times but have never seen it anywhere. Should at least be on Ebay or reprinted for inclusion with a special edition DVD.
And, damn, I’d love to see Penn lighten up and do a good comedy role or too again….
Great choice of pic, Jeff!!!!
http://www.therecshow.com
I should caveat…Nerds could be in Class B…Nerds II is clearly a Class C.
Ditto, Vacation is Class A, but European Vacation is a B at best…
don’t knock the system: this is my phd thesis, folks.
Gotta admit, I absolutely loved Porky’s – and still do. The sequels were crap, but there were enough laugh-out-loud moments in the first to warrant revisiting. And yes, the first Police Academy was damn good as well.
Bachelor Party and Stripes don’t hold up well at all.
Porky’s was a very crduely made Canadian cheapy, and its poor visual quality adds a lot to the mean-spirited and crude aspects discussed earlier.
Porky’s was an enormous hit, not only with the raincoat crowd mentioned above but with high-school kids as well. Kids flocked to the film in droves. In many ways it was the Scary Movie of the early 80s: it showed “shocking and funny” things that mainstream studio films hadn’t shown before and the kiddies ate it up.
I NEVER got the “Revenge of the Nerds” love. I laughed my lungs out at “Vacation”, “Stripes” and even “Neighbors” so I’m not above dumb laffs, I just always thought “Revenge..” sucked balls. It always seemed like a cheesy “Animal House” rip-off and I never found any truth in it. That is, for as broad as “Animal House” is, it’s obviously written by people who spent time in the Greek system at a medium-sized college (Wash. U.) and the characters were drawn from actual people.
“…Nerds” seems like it was written by a couple of guys who either never went to college or attended an East Coast Ivy school. It’s like they were writing about what they imagined life at a university was like. (“….and we’ll have a big jock-guy and we’ll call him ‘Animal’ or ‘Ogre’ or something like that and he’ll drink lots of beers and hunger for the blood of wimps…yeah!”)
to say STRIPES doesn’t hold up over PORKY’S is well…wrong. STRIPES is still hilarious, probably my fave early bill murray comedy, and you get john candy and warren oates. so there.
the only laughable moment in the PORKY’S trilogy is the guy dressed like a zombie in PORKY’S 2 saying “ooga booga” over and over. i don’t know why but it’s one of the funniest things i’ve ever seen.
Stripes is a great comedy for 45 minutes, but once they leave basic training, it falls flat. It’s almost the comedy equivalent of Full Metal Jacket (though Kubrick’s second half isn’t actually bad, just weaker than his first.)
i loved REVENGE OF THE NERDS for one major reason. it was a hit and probably did a smidgen of good in making some of its base a little safer and cooler monday morning. not me, y’know, but my friends…
OOH! Someone mentioned “Neighbors”! I was raised on that flick, and for some reason, it still sticks. Not on DVD either, from what I’ve seen. An honorable mention to “The Whoopee Boys” with Paul Rodriguez. (yes, I went there.)
My 80′s sex comedy vote has to go to Bachelor Party. For some reason, that drugged out guy dancing on the piano kills me.
i recall an interview with george romero from FANGORIA in 1981 and he was bemoaning the fact that STRIPES made 100 million dollars because he could see the effect it would have on studio output and expectation. he was right.
I think Porky’s is actually better constructed than people give it credit for. (Porky’s 2 on the other hand…) And the hit that people are forgetting for The Last American Virgin (which I think was more a cable TV hit) is Private Lessons.
But if you want an early 80s sex comedy hit that was purely assembly-line crap made by cynical H’wood suits I just have one word to say to you… Hardbodies.
The Last American Virgin was the first R-rated movie I ever saw. Thanks, HBO!
And Mgmax, I definitely prefer Hardbodies 2. Superior mise en scene.
“Stripes” still makes me laugh. It’s one of the only movies I can think of that contains it’s own sequel. “Stripes 2: Mission to Czechoslovakia”. A two-fer.
And yes, for something that was considered an all-around failure, “Neighbors” has always been a dark, secret favorite of mine. “…’bout as funny as a gut-full of pinworms!”
NEIGHBORS is a very 70′s movie dying in the 80′s.
Hardbodies is amazing. I spoke with the director a couple years ago. he actually got points on the film which he wasn’t sure how Corman allowed that to happen.
I used to get it mixed up with Hot Moves – since I encountered Monique Gabrielle when she was doing a PR tour of college radio and I thought she said the film was Hardbodies. or maybe it was just i couldn’t take my eyes off the Penthouse Pet’s hardbody. She was wearing silver parachute pants….
The DP on Hardbodies was Tim Richmond.
Monique Gabrielle was the hottest hottie to me.
As my introduction to Warren Oates, Stripes will always rule.
Plus, Bill Murray’s “Aunt Jemima” treatment of PJ Soles (who I had a crush on from Halloween) always makes me smile even though it’s really not that funny. Bill Murray sells it.
Then again, I haven’t actually seen the movie in many many years. It might not hold up so well, but my memories of it live on.
I’d like to see Neighbors again. At the time I admit I didn’t get it. I was expecting Animal House hijinx and got a pretty dark comedy instead.
the soundtrack to FTARH is one of the best ever, certainly the best of the 80s … it was a double LP, I think Urban Cowboy was the first double LP soundtrack (not counting the 3 LP woodstock) … from Jackson Browne’s Somebody’s Baby to Oingo Boingo’s Goodbye, Goodbye the songs are just special …
Saturday Night Fever (77) and American Grafitti (I think) (73) were double albums. Urban Cowboy was 1980.
not to nitpick.
if you watch the dvd (a great commentary with crowe and amy heckerling) you’ll hear how the studio forced all the those soft rock songs on her. she even had to fight for the go-go’s to open the film! and she was right.
nipicking is good … you’re right, in fact I have 2 copies of the double LP soundtrack to American Graffiti (that must be the first double soundtrack LP that is not composed music?) … love the way they intercut Wolfman Jack with the songs throught the album
STRAWBERRY STATEMENT from 1970 was a double record i believe. i’ve got it why don’t i recall?
That image of Phoebe Cates still has the power to make me feel 13 years old again. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, but there you go.
Frankly, at the time the promise of nudity was my biggest interest in Fast Times and it was only later I realized it was a perfect slice of a certain time and place and a truly great movie.
The sex and drugs and music are still there, but it’s still one of the more honest and sensitive portrayals of difficult subjects like abortion.
The old Sherman Oaks Galleria is no more and neither are films like Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Neighbors was a droll dark comic novel and it was absolutely beaten to death by miscast actors (Belushi and Ackroyd should have traded roles, better yet Belushi should have been cast opposite Eli Wallach or somebody), heavyhanded direction and the worst imaginable “comedy” score by Bill Conti.
I think Porky’s is actually better constructed than people give it credit for. (Porky’s 2 on the other hand…) And the hit that people are forgetting for The Last American Virgin (which I think was more a cable TV hit) is Private Lessons.
But if you want an early 80s sex comedy hit that was purely assembly-line crap made by cynical H’wood suits I just have one word to say to you… Hardbodies.
So let’s break this down: the guy says that Porky’s, Fast Times, American Pie, and Last American Virgin were “both commercially and artistically successful.”
Porky’s: definately commercially successful (111 million), but I’m not sure who would call it artistically successful.
Fast Times: Made 27 million, which means it wasn’t a flop, but it wasn’t exactly a money tree. But most definately critically successful and artistically successful by just about any defination.
American Pie: Made MAJOR bank, but if you equate critical success with artistic success, then rotten tomatoes site will tell you that it’s a stinker (though just barely and I confess that I pretty much liked it).
And finally “Last American Virgin”. Who even remembers this thing? It made 5 mill at the box office and I can’t imagine anyone calling it an artistic success or failure. It’s just too obscure.
So basically for the premise to the guy’s story, he’s selected 4 examples that don’t actually apply to his thesis (except, possibly just barely, fast times).
Makes me not want to trust whatever come after…
As my introduction to Warren Oates, Stripes will always rule.
Plus, Bill Murray’s “Aunt Jemima” treatment of PJ Soles (who I had a crush on from Halloween) always makes me smile even though it’s really not that funny. Bill Murray sells it.
Then again, I haven’t actually seen the movie in many many years. It might not hold up so well, but my memories of it live on.
I’d like to see Neighbors again. At the time I admit I didn’t get it. I was expecting Animal House hijinx and got a pretty dark comedy instead.
Well, you can’t get much more “drawn from real experiences” than Superbad… I think it’ll have MONSTER legs regardless of how well it does opening weekend.
‘the soundtrack to FTARH is one of the best ever, certainly the best of the 80s …’
Times Square (2LP) had I Wanna Be Sedated & Take This Town & Life During Wartime & Pretty Boys & Walk On The Wild Side, miles better than FTARH, tho the movie blew.
FM from 78 was a dbl too, I think. Sgt Pepper (78…another quality RSO production)was dbl as well. I think Tommy (75) was a dbl. And a couple of docs, Last Waltz & Kids Are Alright from the late 70s were dbls. I had a soundtrack from a flick I never saw that was a dbl, something about Summer, cover had a swimmer with cap and goggles if memory serves. Not to mention the Sex Pistols masterpiece, Great RnR Swindle & Urgh…
I hated all these 80s flix, FTARH was ok.
Neighbors was a droll dark comic novel and it was absolutely beaten to death by miscast actors (Belushi and Ackroyd should have traded roles, better yet Belushi should have been cast opposite Eli Wallach or somebody), heavyhanded direction and the worst imaginable “comedy” score by Bill Conti.
in 1981, HEAVY METAL had a fantastic rock soundtrack. nobody complained about that when it came out. the mob rules!
and it was a double record and went to #12 on the charts.
let’s not forget REPO MAN, the ultimate anti-dote to the typical 80′s film. and a kick-ass soundtrack.
Anyone read Jonathan Bernstein’s “Pretty in Pink: The Golden Age of Teenage Movies”? In it, he has essays on Porky’s (which he calls a model of restraint compared to what followed), Fast Times (which he loved), and Last American Virgin (which he called the movie Kids only thought it was). Of course, I love Fast Times, and I wish I knew why the DVD doesn’t have the scenes where Phoebe Cates is telling another girl (not Jennifer Jason Leigh) about safe sex (maybe the infamous carrot scene made it redundant, but I liked that Cates’ character wasn’t considered bad just because she was sexually experienced), and the scene where Judge Reinhold is with the school counselor and he tells her he’s still waiting for the so-called “good times.” I’ve never seen all of Porky’s, but some of what I saw did make me laugh, I must admit.
I just wanna say that I think Josh Massey really hit on something above. I’m amazed no film school students have done a detailed study of the parallels between Stripes and FMJ…where’s DZ to tell us what Kubrick lifted from the film?
Clearly Ermey was just riffing on Sgt Hulka and I don’t know how I previously missed the parallels between John Candy’s “Ox” and D’Onofrio’s darker take on the same character….
Stripes (IMHO) is not the best movie ever but it does have some great chuckles. Same with Meatballs which Murray also elevates, barely even doing the ironic schtick that probably reached its zenith with Ghostbusters.
Revenge of the Nerds certainly is an Animal House rip-off without much depth; it’s only because it’s the best of the Animal House rip-offs that it is worthy of mention. It still gets quoted etc over 20 years later and that has to count for something.
Porky’s and American Pie were artistically successful? This coming from a site that’s saying that a conservative could never have a valid critical opinion on a movie?
Fast Times and Last American Virgin are scheduled for the New Beverly beginning Sunday 8/5…and YES the theater is going to remain open
according to the LA Times.
But they seem to have the actual calendar wrong.
Fast Times and Last American Virgin are scheduled for the New Beverly beginning Sunday 8/5…and YES the theater is going to remain open
according to the LA Times.
But they seem to have the actual calendar wrong.
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