Gurus’ Best Actor picks
The top five Gurus of Gold Best Actor contenders are Daniel Day Lewis (There Will Be Blood), Tommy Lee Jones (In The Valley of Elah), James McAvoy (Atonement), Johnny Depp (Sweeney Todd) and Emile Hirsch (Into the Wild).
Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood
The vulnerable wildebeests at this stage seem to be Depp and Hirsch — the former because of growing presumptions that Sweeney Todd will be regarded as being too bloody to be a Best Picture contender, and that the fiendish slitter of all those throats may get pulled down along with the film, and the latter because of the sentiments of that producer I heard from earlier today, which, I’ve been told, have been voiced by others.
Lewis’s chances are obviously undefined until people start seeing and reacting to There Will be Blood. I’m pretty sure that Jones and McAvoy are locks.
Two guys may wind up taking Hirsch and Depp’s place — American Gangster‘s Denzel Washington and Before The Devil Knows You’re Dead‘s Philip Seymour Hoffman. They both kill in their respective roles as a Harlem-based, Al Capone-styled heroin wholesaler and a drug-dependent, morally downswirling businessman who hatches a plot to rob his parents’ jewelry store.
The guy who should be in the top five, no question, is Control‘s Sam Riley. I don’t care if anyone knows him or how new he is to the business. His performance as late Joy Division singer Ian Curtis is astoundingly well-calibrated. The fact that Riley never seems to be “acting” is the genius-level ingredient. And yet not one Golden Guru voted for him, and they should be ashamed of themselves for blowing him off in so total a fashion. I mean it — each and every Guru needs to go outside, light a cigarette (even if they don’t smoke), take a 20-minute walk and ask them- selves why they failed to even mention one of the absolute finest performances of the year by an actor of either gender. I’m sorry, but this falls under the heading of “dereliction of duty.” For this oversight alone, this team needs to be regarded as the Gurus of Shame.
The Guru’s second five are Denzel, Eastern Promises‘ Viggo Mortensen (forget it), the Charlie Wilson’s War star Tom Hanks (conceivably), Michael Clayton‘s George Clooney (he got his Oscar for Syriana…won’t happen) and The Diving Bell and the Butterfly‘s Mathieu Almalric (an Oscar for a guy blinking his left eyelash?).
Day-Lewis could barely move in My Left Foot and look where that got him.
Wasn’t The Departed bloody?
Wells to Gittes: Yes, “The Departed” was bloody. But there’s a difference between Boston gangsters and wise guys gunning each other down and a barber slitting throats with a straight razor. I’ll say it again — Tim Burton doesn’t “do” Oscar movies.
Great post, Jeff. Agree with almost every word. If there is a God, Sam Riley will get a nod over Depp, one of the planet’s most overrated artists. Hoffman was great in Devil, too. McAvoy, Lewis and Jones all seem like locks, the latter especially. TLJ carried Elah. No other actor could’ve done it justice. Not convinced Hanks or Depp’s past success with the Academy will help them this time around. I think Denzel takes the 4th spot and I’d love to see Hirsch/Riley battle it out for the Gosling spot. There should be one of those every year, reserved for a breakout performance by young talent. I’d say Casey Affleck deserves that final slot because he really is the lead in Jesse James but WB will take the safe route and campaign for supporting.
It’s safe to say There Will Be Blood isn’t going to be an under-the-radar movie. It’s also safe to say DDL isn’t going to be anything less than brilliant in it.
I don’t see how he doesn’t make the Top 5.
Wells to jeffmcm: Wow…brilliant analogy! You know who you remind me of? Paul Dergarabedian. That’s EXACTLY the kind of observation Dergarabedian would make, and as far as I’m concerned Degarabedian-ism is a kind of virus.
Wells, what kind of response do you expect when you post something like “An Oscar for a guy blinking his left eyelash?” You sound like Archie Bunker.
What about Frank Langella in Starting Out in the Evening? Ebert said he should get a nod. Or is the Academy going to wait for Frost/Nixon next year?
Wells I do wish you’d quit saying “forget it” regarding everything mentioning EASTERN PROMISES. Most of us don’t feel the same way you do. And regardless of how you feel about the film as a whole, you have to admit that Mortensen was magnificent and brave in it, and his accent and dialogue work was perfect. A nomination would be well in order.
“Great post, Jeff. Agree with almost every word. If there is a God, Sam Riley will get a nod over Depp, one of the planet’s most overrated artists.”
Ugh. Kindly refer yourself to ED WOOD, DONNIE BRASCO, FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS, and then probably get out of your profession.
Two HUGE omissions: Khalid Abdalla (highly identifiable and sympathetic character) in the Kite Runner, and Chris Cooper in Breach.
Good one, Burma. Way to bring up movies he made ten years ago, when he was a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT type of artist. Back then he was an Actor, capital A. Now he’s an A-list movie star. A world of difference, my friend. Now he makes big budget extravaganzas that for the most part, suck hard. Not only does the industry perceive him entirely differently, but it seems his entire perspective on the industry has changed as well, as evidenced by the roles he keeps taking on. I maintain that his Oscar nom for the first Pirates is one of the most serious errors in judgment the Academy has ever made. Oh and Burma, ever seen Secret Window? Yeah, exactly. We all miss the old Johnny, Burma, but let me let you in on a little secret. He ain’t never coming back. Trust me. You can take that one to the bank. He’ll never win an Oscar. Ever.
Mark, great call. Kite Runner is a huge curveball in my mind. That could be another Atonement, where it lands nods in all major categories, or it could pass through theaters without anyone giving a shit. But yes, it has serious dark horse Oscar potential. As for Cooper, I thought he was excellent and Breach was one of the best surprises of the first half of ’07, but there’s just too much firepower for him to get noticed. Maybe for supporting, but it’s tough when you have guys like P.S. Hoffman, Crowe and Affleck seemingly locked into that category.
I’m with Burma on Eastern Promises, Viggo made the film for me. His performance was his best-to-date and strongly indicates greater work from him in the future, he’s one of the more interesting actors working right now….right up there with Christian Bale.
Jesus fucking christ you’re an asshole. What is it with your whole “let me hook you up with a little secret bro- COMMON SENSE, try it!” bullshit. Please kill yourself. You’re a 23 year old “critic” who got your ass kicked by a German retard. Who ever gave you the impression you could come on this board like you’re a colleague of Wells’ and talk down to all of us. Stop talking like you know what the fuck you’re talking about.
If you want a Depp movie more recent, try THE LIBERTINE. Hell he saved the first PIRATES movie. I didn’t mind SECRET WINDOW, it’s problems were all in the screenplay. It was for a long time a pretty enjoyable one man show. He’s still one of the better working actors. Just knock off the hyperbolic shit, and please please please stop writing movie reviews.
Breach is finding a 2nd wind in video, where it has become the male version of The Devil Wears Prada, only funnier. Cooper still has a chance to match Streep’s nomination. (A better chance than half the people listed, imo.)
Secret Window was actually a lot of fun – but primarily because Depp gave exactly the right kind of knowingly absurd performance.
Also, Depp hasn’t exactly sold out. Regardless of what you think about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, what he did there was not a safe, just-in-it-for-the-cash performance.
But yeah, stop writing as if you know everything.
Chanceless amoung actors is Mathieu Almalric, who desperately needed a prostetic applied to his face to pull off the role a droopey faced stroke victim/survivor. (He lives, no he dies, no he lives — don’t want to spoil anything.)
Adapted screenplay, in any language, should be awarded, as should cinematography and editing.
I hate to say this, but I agree with MiraJeff (maybe I need to see a doctor). Although I wouldn’t call it a recent development; I’ve always found Depp to be overrated. I enjoy watching him, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near the best actor of his generation, or overdue for an Oscar. His mannered style of acting to me rarely presents a flesh and blood human being, or someone worth caring about. Even someone sympathetic like Ed Wood wasn’t quite the moving portrait it could have been in someone else’s hands.
You are right about one thing, Burma. MiraJeff should stop writing reviews.
“Breach is finding a 2nd wind in video, where it has become the male version of The Devil Wears Prada, only funnier.”
They should actually put that in the For Your Consideration ads. That is a beautiful line.
Amen to Chris Cooper. Amazingly performance in a good film (but not great). But I don’t think it’ll happen this year.
Unless ALL of the critics get his back, like Forest last year.
Go ahead and hate but at the end of the year, we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong, Burma. That’s what I pride myself on, the I Told You So factor. You’re just another talkbacker to me. Another anonymous voice I have no reason to listen to. What the fuck do YOU know, Burma? You want me to stop writing reviews? I’ve got a better solution. Stop fucking reading them, bro. Face it, you can’t get enough of my shtick. Otherwise, why do you let it bother you so? You’re just another douche who thinks that because I’m 23, I have nothing interesting to say and my opinion can’t possibly count for anything. At least I had the balls to get in the ring with a fucking hack animal who I knew was going to kick my ass. I’d like to see you get in a fight knowing you’re going to lose. Oh wait, you’re in one right now.
And p.s. Jeffmcm, I DO know everything. I laughed my ass off when all these pussy-ass prognosticators (who always play it safe– see the Gurus’ omission of Sam Riley) ran around like chickens with their heads cut off after Crash won Best Picture, something I could’ve told you 10 months before that ceremony, and I laughed even harder last year when Ryan Gosling “snuck” into the Best Actor race, which only came as a surprise to people with blinders on to the fucking world. Burma, here’s another suggestion. Why don’t you and Ian Sinclair team up and start your own site so you can matter half a shit. It’s a drag having to read my colleague Jeff Wells’ excellent blog everyday only to see its comments section marred by your nonsensical ramblings. I think the URL http://www.fuckingretards.com is available.
I hate that Johnny Depp was so underrated that now folks think he’s overrated because he’s finally in successful films. It’s not like him acting in a Tim Burton film is anything new, he was doing that 16 years ago and they have had a fruitful creative partnership. They both just happened to finally catch on. He was also in Nick of Time and Don Juan Demarco 12 years ago and I imagine if those films had become Pirates-sized hits, MiraJeff would be talking about how he was a sell-out or some such nonsense.
The man has taken his chances on films, some of them turned out successful, some of them less so. His acting has never been subpar in anything he’s been in. But perhaps some folks would rather see him in more movies like Chocolat. Personally, I’ll take The Libertine over that one. Before Pirates, by the way, he was starring in From Hell, Sleepy Hollow, and Blow. Those movies weren’t exactly indie pics.
Oh, when will we see who’s right and who’s wrong, when the Movie Judges hand down their opinions from their big white thrones in Beverly Hills?
Mirajeff, grow up.
MiraJeff, you have to chill out man. “You’re just another talkbacker to me”? Is that the kind of contempt you have to for the people you write for? Some people can be offensive, but you can handle it a bit more gracefully. You have an opinion and that’s great, but people don’t like being told that they are wrong because they feel differently than you do. There is no wrong when it comes to talking about film, there is only opinion. Do you want to have a dicussion about Johnny Depp or do you want to call people assholes? If it’s the latter, you might find more likeminded folks at AICN.
By the way, I’m 24 and I realized that if I want people to take me seriously as a mature writer of film, I’d need to act a bit more mature.
And Mira drives really fast. Don’t offer you butt to mcm, he’ll take you up on it.
T. Holly, we know Mirajeff is young. You can’t use being foreign as an excuse.
mcm, did you or didn’t you write “name your time and place” in response to Wells’ “eat my” I can’t even say it.
Noah, you’re absolutely right. My apologies. I never said I wasn’t an asshole. But I’m just sick of being villified. I’m sick of the yelling. They’re called TALKbacks for a reason, and yet all they’ve become are venues for clashing egos. I loving having meaningful, interesting, engaging conversations about film with my peers, ask anyone who’s ever met me, I love passionate argument, but I’m not so sure that that’s what Burma and Ian visit this site for. They seem to antagonize everyone on every thread. They really poison the whole community as far as I’m concerned. I’m all for throwing elbows here and there but it’s like you have to prepare for an all-out war of words whenever Ian or Burma are involved. I know I’m lumping in Ian with this thread but still… it’s just uncalled for and I’m sorry if my attitude got all high and mighty but really, Burma, it’s becoming more and more ridiculous every day. And we’re still months away from nomination day. Is this what I have to look forward to until January? I’m not sure I can take much more baiting and calls for my resignation. I have a very fragile psyche and the deafening lack of support is beginning to take its toll. I guess what I’m asking for is a truce of sorts. But if you don’t want one, just remember, two can play the name-calling game.
MiraJeff: “You’re just another douche who thinks that because I’m 23, I have nothing interesting to say and my opinion can’t possibly count for anything.”
You can certainly have something interesting to say at that age, but you sure came off like an immature, whiny jackass in that last post.
Of course, your age explains why you may have thought Crash was a brilliant look at race relations in the real world. Maybe when you grow up you’ll understand why it wasn’t.
It also may explain why you keep thinking movies need 10-15 minutes cut from them, because they’re not fast paced enough for you.
Respect is earned, and you sure as hell haven’t been doing a good job towards that end around here. You might do well to take a look at Noah, who not only has something to say, but is a hell of a lot more professional about it.
No, keep thinking movies need 10-15 minutes cut from them, but wait until you see them 5 times before you speak about specifics, and then talk to the editor, if you can.
Like cutting the Danes — big mistake after one viewing. Glad you got straightened out on that one, finally. But yes, cut 10-15, but you’ll never figure out how, as someone else pointed out.
T. Holly, your diet is obviously lacking in irony.
MiraJeff, I understand where you’re coming from, but this is part of putting yourself out there. Writing for a website, especially one like AICN, leaves yourself open for a lot of personal attacks; especially when you put yourself out there by fighting Uwe Boll. Some ribbing for that comes with the territory. I get creamed from time to time when I wrote on MCN, but you just gotta take it in stride and realize people don’t hate YOU, they just don’t like the “you” that is represented on the interweb.
If you are trying to add to the discourse and you feel that someone else is just trying to get personal, then just direct the conversation back towards movies. There are always going to be people who think they can do a better job than you, but you know what you can do? Prove them wrong by being the best writer that you can be.
Thanks, Lazarus, you made me blush.
MiraJeff, I’ll allow you to hang yourself. You seem to be doing a nice job of it so far.
Lazarus, you made a good point about professionalism and earning respect in that lost post and I take your comments to heart, but at the same time, you really proved your age with that one.
“Of course, your age explains why you may have thought Crash was a brilliant look at race relations in the real world. Maybe when you grow up you’ll understand why it wasn’t.”– Well then why did it win Best Picture? Surely the Academy isn’t comprised of 23 year-olds. There must be some older folks who felt otherwise.
“It also may explain why you keep thinking movies need 10-15 minutes cut from them, because they’re not fast paced enough for you.”– And this is where you truly falter. You have my generation right but you have me all wrong. I couldn’t care less if a movie is fast paced or slow paced. I enjoy plenty of ‘slow’ movies. I didn’t expect Jesse James to be fast paced, nor did I want it to be or think it needed to be. But that doesn’t mean it’s not too long. Let me ask you, do you think the film wouldn’t have received the raves that it has if it was 15 minutes shorter? Do you think critics would’ve lamented, gee, I wish this was 15 minutes longer? No. It wouldn’t have made a difference. They still would’ve loved it. But for those critics that didn’t like it, those 15 minutes could’ve made a world of difference. My generation is all about more more more, now now now, so I understand where you’re coming from, but that is not at all how I approached these films. They were too long because because they were too long, and too short because they were too short. And that’s why in my reviews, I called them out as such.
Gittes to gruver1: I don’t really see the difference between multiple shots to the dome and the slitting of throats. Yes, cutting throats sounds worse but whereas Marty’s violence seems real and pretty darn graphic, Burton’s violence seems…Burtony. Which means one might expect Sweeney Todd’s “Violent scenes” to not be all that graphic…maybe. If Burton knocks it out of the park, you can expect a nomination for Sweeney Todd. After all, the Academy likes musicals and every now and then, they “like” violence…or at least tolerate it.
But that’s just it – the Academy likes realistic violence (Departed, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler’s List) but they don’t like cartoony violence.
You could be right, jeffmcm. But gruver1 –unless I’m mistaken –implied that the slitting of throats with a straight razor is much more “bloody” then the violent scenes in The Departed. I’m saying there’s not much of a difference and like you said, the Academy obviously doesn’t mind too much. My point is that forget the so-called notion that Sweeney Todd is too “Bloody.” If it’s a good movie, then I think the Academy will go for it. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Yeah well the gurus, like the group you were part of last year, are individuals and what you’re going is the general consensus. It comes down to opinion but you shouldn’t lump them all together just because they did. You really think Emile Hirsch is out based on what your lame-brained producer friend told you? You can say he’s out but please use your own thoughts on the subject, I mean, UGH.
I don’t think it’s the violence that matters, but the context of the material that deems the film acceptable or not….for the academy.
the film’s violence that is
MiraJeff: Did you even read Burma’s comments in this thread? Sure, sometimes he may add in comments you may not like, but all he did was mention some of Depp’s work. Tough shit if you think those films he mentioned were too old to matter. All he did was mention Viggo’s performance. If you think he should be off the thread because of his remarks somehow slowing things down or being off topic, your comments do just that with their airs of superiority and overanalyzed explanations.
Oh and PS – what do the following have in common?
Pulp Fiction
The Departed
Gladiator
Braveheart
Lord of the Rings I, II and III
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
The Silence of the Lambs
The Godfather I and II
The Deer Hunter
The Exorcist
Apocalypse Now
Fatal Attraction
Fargo (“You should see the other guy”)
Saving Private Ryan
Gangs of New York
I mean serious, how much more violent can you get than a little girl stabbing herself in the crotch saying “fuck me Jesus fuck me.” I mean, doesn’t Sweeney Todd look positively gentle by comparison?
Well said, Zimmergirl. Everyone, or maybe just Jeff, should stop saying Sweeney Todd is too bloody for the Academy and wait ’till it comes out. BTW: Anyone who thinks Crash was an accurate portrayal of race relations in America should, uh, I don’t really want to get into this.
Zimmergirl, yeah but the Exorcist is a horror flick, apparently the scariest of all-time but whatever, and violence is expected in a horror flick and no one ever takes that stuff seriously.
Ohh exciting, let’s take the “wait and see” approach.
Actually IamaNerd, I did read Burma’s posts. And I believe all I did to earn his wrath was call Johnny Depp overrated. After that, Burma, who is apparently president of the Johnny Depp fanclub, said “ugh… get out of your profession.” Taking it a little personally, no? And basically, my whole point was asking why is every Depp performance earmarked as Oscar caliber ever since Pirates 1 and Finding Neverland? I mean, the movies Burma brought up are all good, but none of those performances resonated with the Academy, did they? Instead, the Academy lauded him for two fairly overrated films. Maybe it’s the same thought process that got Crash nominated. A fair trade off, yes, but a trade off nonetheless.
I disagree that The Exorcist was a horror film — though it is the scariest film of all time. I think it can easily be categorized as a drama.
“The power of Christ compels you!”
Anyway, make that same argument with Fargo, one of the most violent films ever. Love that movie.
Awesome discussion here on potential best actor noms.
I saw There Will Be Blood yesterday, and Day-Lewis is fantastic in it. And he’s fantastic in a big, scenery-chewing, over-the-top way that AMPAS can’t possibly resist. Though it does take a bit to adjust to the fact that he sounds like Sean Connery (once he starts speakingâ€â€the film is totally dialogue-free for the first 15-20 minutes).
to Zimmergirl: Yes. Buscemi getting shot in the jaw and covering up the bloody wound with napkins was freaky ‘n all but I would call Fargo one of the most violent films ever, I’m sure violence was the last thing the academy had on their mind when they voted and awarded the film. And Exorcist as a drama is viable but it’s not the film that’s truly enveloped me in fear.
mda do you think There will Be Blood is a Best pic frontrunner? And I noticed the Sean Connery thing from the trailer too.
MiraJeff. You’re an insufferable blowhard and I just hate reading your posts. And I NEVER read your reviews. I don’t want to know who or what you approve of and who or what your tiny wee brain presumes to dismiss.
On the other hand, Noah. I don’t always agree with you and when you don’t like something I like, I mourn for you….but that’s ok…..time, Noah…..
Well, when I don’t like something that you like, I’m very happy for you. I don’t want to dislike anything or want anyone else to dislike something just because I don’t. I present my case as best as I can and you either agree or you think I’m delusional and I’m okay with that.
I don’t think it’s MiraJeff’s fault, but the fault of websites like AICN that encourage disagreement that is not based on rational discourse, but upon calling other people stupid for having differing opinions. Sometimes it’s no better here, but I think the majority of us here just want to talk about movies with each other, not call each other names.
“By the way, I’m 24 and I realized that if I want people to take me seriously as a mature writer of film, I’d need to act a bit more mature.”
Actually, you just need to live, kid. Life will kick the shit out of you until finally you become mature. Be 24. It’s a great age. Enjoy it while it lasts. Just don’t pretend to know more than you know, which you don’t do anyway.
And Mirajeff, you are fucking kidding yourself if you think no one knew about Ryan Gosling last year. Pulease. Donny, you are out of your element. Why not record your predictions starting now and we’ll see who has the last laugh come February.
Jeff, the Gurus of Gold rules state that one ought vote for whom one believes will be nominated for an Oscar, not for whom one believes should get nominated. I’m on record with my very high estimation of Riley’s performance and screen magnetism. I’ve compared him to Maria Falconetti in Dreyer’s ‘The Trial of Joan of Arc,’ for Christ’s sake. That does not mean that I think he’s gonna be nominated, as much as I might wish it. If you believe our predix are gonna affect the actual Academy, that’s one thing, and I’m flattered. But I don’t see it that way. If I can be convinced it’ll make any difference, I’ll go for Riley all the way in the next round and beyond. But right now I’m not convinced. Your cowardly is my pragmatic, maybe.
Love will tear us apart!
Sometimes it is just fun to verbally kick in someone’s teeth and hope their gums bleed, hell it ain’t prison. Still, I applaud the civility and participation in the above discourse.
Adding the all purpose word “douche” at the end of a sentence is a sure fire way to seal a debate and prove you know sumthin’.
MirajeffAICN is Jeff Wells’ “colleague” the same way that a tsetse fly is a “colleague” of sleeping sickness. A gormless geek who made a laughing stock of himself in public and then has the galloping gall to boast of it, he is far better off posting with the other clueless cretins at AICN rather than persistently posting here, where he is a figure of contempt and scorn, a hapless, hopeless Uriah Heep figure with the compositional skills of a Cro-Magnon; the sort of ill-educated idiot who thinks “paragraph” is some sort of diagram that jumps out of airplanes.
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