No time for kid gloves

In keeping with yesterday’s Ted and Caroline Kennedy endorsements, Barack Obama would do well in Thursday’s Los Angeles debate to deliver a Hillary rip that’s as good as this classic JFK slam against Richard Nixon — something blunt and funny that makes a real bulls-eye point.

40 thoughts on “No time for kid gloves

  1. christian on said:

    With Obama, it’ll be more like a Reagan style rip.

  2. Saying something that blunt and nasty might make Jeff cream his pants, but it would also pretty much guarantee Obama a complete wipeout loss on Super Tuesday.

  3. Damn, mean growly JFK is something I need to know more about. What’s weird about this is that Kennedy and Nixon were actually friends, had come up in Congress together, and had known each other socially, dined together, etc. I can only imagine what Obama would say to express his disdain for a woman he doesn’t really know and I’m sure has come to totally hate.

  4. Or maybe I’m just feeding off Jeff’s IV drip and catheter. Seeing as how Jeff did…bring up Obama in another post that he expects comments on.
    And if you can’t handle the Obama heat, get ready for the GOP. They’re actually mean.

  5. …and christian will be voting for………
    …take a stand, man.
    What’s going on here? What’s going on here? What’s going on here? WHAT’s GOING ON HERE?

  6. I wonder when the media is going to reveal how much Obama hates the Jews? I can’t imagine them giving Obama a free pass to become president if he’s going to quit giving money to Israel etc. Clinton’s going to win and it’s about damn time a woman got elected president in this country. England elected a woman as prime minister nearly twenty years ago for Christ’s sake.

  7. francine: Um, I’m not sure where you came up with him being anti-Semitic. He spoke out against Farrakhan, while Dubya whored Bob Jones. As for England, it elected a war-mongering homophobe who hated the working class; but since she’s a woman this time, it’s ok.

  8. DZ, speaking of homophobe, does the name Donnie McGlurkin ring a bell? He’s the gay-basher Obama brought on tour with him. The one who says he’s on a “war” against homsexuality. McGlurkin also performed for Mr. Bush and friends at the Republican Convention. Obama invites him on tour then says he doesn’t share his beliefs. Maybe it’s time for Obama to reach out to the other side now.

  9. christian: Yes, I’ve heard. But I also recall that Edwards enabled Bush to kick out gay translators from the military. He also helped Bush win on the anti-gay marriage platform by not speaking out on the war; so why should I vote for him again?

  10. It’s odd how all the wealthy democrats who don’t care about the middle class are getting behind Barak Obama. What’s really not being mentioned in the press about all this is that it’s class warfare.Clinton has experience and will look out for the middleclass to some degree. Obama will make sure his wealthy democratic supporters continue to get the tax breaks Bush put in place. Also whats all this crap about he’s a candidate for change. Thats the same BS Bush ran on. He has no experince and has had his political careeer handed to by easy campaigns. Sounds just like how Bush started his career. Also I think sexism is more prevalent than racism in this democratic campaign. What if a female candidate with the same experience as Obama tried for the office saying the same BS would all fall before her feet. While Hillary was in college planning on how to make america a better place, Barak was planning on where to score for some good cocaine.(just like Bush again). I guess American voters never learn from their mistakes.

  11. That clip just showed that JFK was just another politician who is good with words. Obama is shallow. He’s a celebrity. That’s it. No wonder Jeff Wells and all the other celebrity whores around the world are falling for his act. There’s no substance to Obama. He just looks and sounds the part. That’s good enough for numb nuts like Jeff Wells.
    I typically lean conservative and it pains me to say this I really wish Hillary wasn’t running along with Bill because out of all the candidates both republican and democrat she’s the best qualified for the job. Next would be Mitt but I don’t see him getting the Republican nomination with the wind on McCain’s sails.

  12. Todd said it, not me.
    And despite Edward’s real flaws, his candidacy represents real populism. That scares the corporatists at the DNC. That’s why Kucinich had to be marginalized. And it’s why huckster libertarians like that smug Kos are being courted by the upper-class moderates. The more things change…

  13. Todd: “It’s odd how all the wealthy democrats who don’t care about the middle class are getting behind Barak Obama.”
    Replace Obama with Hillary, and I agree.
    “What’s really not being mentioned in the press about all this is that it’s class warfare.Clinton has experience and will look out for the middleclass to some degree.”
    You’re right, because her hubby did a good job of selling their manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico, allowing corporations to steal more income from them than during the Reagan years, and lying to them about universal health care.
    “Obama will make sure his wealthy democratic supporters continue to get the tax breaks Bush put in place.”
    You mean the same supporters who give more money to Hillary?
    “Also whats all this crap about he’s a candidate for change. Thats the same BS Bush ran on.”
    He ran on being compassionate, not being about change. That just meant he wouldn’t laugh when he executed innocent black males in prison like the other Republican governors.
    “He has no experince”
    At least he can spell experience.
    “and has had his political careeer handed to by easy campaigns.”
    At least he worked for his career.
    “Sounds just like how Bush started his career.”
    Bush started his career with a trust fund.
    “Also I think sexism is more prevalent than racism in this democratic campaign. What if a female candidate with the same experience as Obama tried for the office saying the same BS would all fall before her feet.”
    If she has his charisma and dedication, sure.
    “While Hillary was in college planning on how to make america a better place,”
    You mean by being a trophy wife?
    “Barak was planning on where to score for some good cocaine.(just like Bush again).”
    Her husband did pot. And Obama didn’t have a DUI or an addiction problem like Bush, so I’ll give him a pass.

  14. Mat: “He just looks and sounds the part.”
    So did Reagan. What’s your point?
    “I typically lean conservative and it pains me to say this I really wish Hillary wasn’t running along with Bill because out of all the candidates both republican and democrat she’s the best qualified for the job.”
    How is she qualified, when she can’t even make the right judgment call on a war?
    christian: “And despite Edward’s real flaws, his candidacy represents real populism.”
    Yeah, he’s so popular that he only does slightly better than Nader…

  15. I agree Christian. I was for Edwards but he does not stand a chance Hillary has it going for her if only she took off the gloves and gave it like the Republican machine will if they compete against him. Also many people forget she was a republican but became disallussioned by there corrupt ways. Hillary was working to put child abuse laws on the books and was helping the legal team impeach a president called Nixon. For some reason you don’t hear all the good she’s done through her life. Instead of using her intelligence to go for personal wealth she fought for those who are not represernted the abused children, the poor, the uninsured. Hillary is learning no good deed goes unpunished.

  16. “Hillary…was helping the legal team impeach a president called Nixon.”
    So what changed with Bush?
    “Instead of using her intelligence to go for personal wealth she fought for those who are not represernted the abused children, the poor, the uninsured.”
    Too bad she voted to send their families off to die in Iraq.

  17. “How is she qualified, when she can’t even make the right judgment call on a war?”
    The war in Iraq was mis-handled. If we would of had half-million troops on the ground at the beginning then more than likely the civil war would of never erupted the way it did.
    However the war is neither here nor there at this time. Even if Obama is elected (hopefully not) he’s not going to be able to just pull all the troops out like he’s stating. Doing so would cause mass turmoil and do more harm than good. Gradual pull-out over the the next 5-10 years is the only logical measure.
    Hillary, like or hate her personally, has always positioned herself as fighting for the average joe and jane. That’s us. Where the hell did Obama come from? I don’t even remember ever hearing his name until a couple of years ago. What exactly is so special about his experience? Somebody please tell. If elected he’ll be a Jimmy Carter style president; ineffectual on domestic issues and soft on global affairs.

  18. Mat: “The war in Iraq was mis-handled. If we would of had half-million troops on the ground at the beginning then more than likely the civil war would of never erupted the way it did.”
    Yes, because troops are enough to stop ethnic and religious tensions which have existed for hundreds of years.
    “However the war is neither here nor there at this time.”
    What about the nearly 4,000 dead American soldiers? Are they neither here nor there, too?
    “Even if Obama is elected (hopefully not)”
    because he’s black.
    “Hillary, like or hate her personally, has always positioned herself as fighting for the average joe and jane. That’s us.”
    Is that why she didn’t give us universal health care?
    “Where the hell did Obama come from?”
    America?
    “I don’t even remember ever hearing his name until a couple of years ago.”
    No one knew who Clinton was, until he was elected. What’s your point?
    “What exactly is so special about his experience? Somebody please tell. If elected he’ll be a Jimmy Carter style president; ineffectual on domestic issues”
    Yes, because better fuel mileage was a stupid idea.
    “and soft on global affairs.”
    Yeah, making peace with Egypt and not negotiating with Iran means he’s a pansy.

  19. Barack can’t expect to get very far past super tuesday by running as a moderate republican in a Democratic party primary. The last straw for a lot of working class voters who were considering him as an alternative to robo-Hillary was him praising Reagan. Hillary wouldn’t say something that ridiculous. And yes, John Edwards is the real candidate for “change.” Nothing will change until we elect a leader who is not beholden to the monied interests.

  20. Cmed: “Barack can’t expect to get very far past super tuesday by running as a moderate republican in a Democratic party primary. The last straw for a lot of working class voters who were considering him as an alternative to robo-Hillary was him praising Reagan.”
    Like it or not, many of those voters still admire Reagan.
    “Hillary wouldn’t say something that ridiculous.”
    Yeah, she’ll just laugh when asked about voting to attack Iran.

  21. That’s true D.Z. Obama’s trying to get the so-called “Reagan Democrats” back. But there’s not enough of them for him to win the nomination. Most of the working class people I know loathe Ronnie the union buster.

  22. D.Z., I thought you or someone else would have said his $400 dollar haircuts and being a trial lawyer is why he’s not doing well with the working class, but what you said is probably fair.

  23. Back to the clip: mmm, I LOVE watching decadent preppies mocking guys who worked their way up by their own sweat.

  24. Wow, I thought that clip showed JFK in a really poor light. That’s probably why you don’t see it played much.
    I don’t think Obama is really capable of making this kind of attack. It doesn’t seem to be in his nature. He has to turn the argument to making a clean break with the past and finding a candidate who can beat John McCain without becoming John McCain.

  25. Obama may have “spoken out against” him (not that I’ve seen any proof of such) but yet he still goes to the anti-semite’s fucking church every week! Plus anyone who has known the guy throughout the years knows of Obama’s hatred of Jews. Don’t give him a free pass just because he’s black.

  26. francine: “Obama may have “spoken out against” him (not that I’ve seen any proof of such) but yet he still goes to the anti-semite’s fucking church every week!”
    People still work at Ford and Mercedes. What’s your point?
    “Plus anyone who has known the guy throughout the years knows of Obama’s hatred of Jews.”
    I’ve just wiki’ed him, and it said the following: ‘At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that “the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel.”‘
    “Don’t give him a free pass just because he’s black.”
    I think you’re the one who’s hurling accusations, because he’s black.

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