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The former Sarah Heath — now Gov. Sarah Palin — doing sports reporting on Channel 2, KTUU-TV in Anchorage, in 1988. Watch this and you won’t hear a word — all you can do is look at her grotesque ’80s hair. Wasn’t this kind of thing passe by this point? Palin is wearing a late ’70s-early ’80s coif…no?

And by the way: yesterday afternoon Daily Kos writer Arc XIS (what’s that name supposed to mean?) posted a longish, circumstantially-supported, far-from-conclusive and yet intriguing piece postulating that Trig Paxson Van Palin, the Down Syndrome baby born to Palin last April, is not her son but her grandson. Just read it, read the linked articles, and tell me it doesn’t sound at least somewhat credible. As a theory, I mean. It’s certainly a head-scratcher.

  • SmilingPolitely

    Nah… there were plenty of women still rocking that mane in ’88

  • notjon

    I didn’t know Anchorage was in north Jersey.

  • notjon

    I didn’t know Anchorage was in north Jersey.

  • notjon

    Ugh. That wasn’t funny enough to post twice.

  • T. Holly

    She looks cross-eyed, must be the beaver round-up.

  • George Prager

    There are still women rocking that mane today!

  • JHRussell

    And yet another low is reached on HE with the linking to the “intriguing” bullshit baby scandal…no, it does not sound the least bit credible – the photo “analysis” is absurd.

  • lazarus

    Wonder if that pregnancy conspiracy thing is going to have any legs. Sure it’s all circumstantial, but the daughter being pulled from school for that length of time is sure strange. Especially considering the mother appears to be a tough go-getter. I can’t imagine her pampering the daughter longer than necessary.
    It has more validity than the accusations thrown at John Kerry by the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth. Let’s see what the MSM will do with it.

  • thevisceral

    Prowler needs a jump.

  • George Prager

    No one flies when they are that far along in a pregnancy, it’s a recipe for disaster. And that daughter definitely looks pregnant in that photo. But I’ll reserve judgment for now. If this turned out to be true, you can be sure that some Christianists will love her even more for it.

  • Mo

    George Prager –
    LOL!! Conspiracy theories already? And what exactly are “Christianists”?
    What a joke you people are!

  • SmilingPolitely

    That bizarre multi-hour flight from Texas to Alaska after her water broke is what raises some questions, not the photos.
    At best, the woman was incredibly reckless. Was she trying to induce abortion by plane? That’s one way to get around her christian doctrine.

  • broadstreetbully

    I think being somewhat curious and intrigued by a an admittedly VERY circumstantial situation is fine. Imagine what many on the right would do in a similar circumstance – I doubt there would be as much “now, it probably isn’t true” reticence from Rush Limbaugh.
    And as for Palin’s hair, I’m sorry Jeff, but you can’t hold that against her, you have to hold that against the year 1988. Tons of women still looked like that, and women from your neck of the Jersey woods still do.

  • broadstreetbully

    And by the way, watch that clip and just try not to think of Tina Fey doing the Weekend Update. Put glasses on her, change the hair, and it’s downright uncanny.

  • George Prager

    “LOL!! Conspiracy theories already? And what exactly are “Christianists”? ”
    Andrew Sullivan take it away: So let me suggest that we take back the word Christian while giving the religious right a new adjective: Christianist. Christianity, in this view, is simply a faith. Christianism is an ideology, politics, an ism. The distinction between Christian and Christianist echoes the distinction we make between Muslim and Islamist. Muslims are those who follow Islam. Islamists are those who want to wield Islam as a political force and conflate state and mosque. Not all Islamists are violent. Only a tiny few are terrorists. And I should underline that the term Christianist is in no way designed to label people on the religious right as favoring any violence at all. I mean merely by the term Christianist the view that religious faith is so important that it must also have a precise political agenda. It is the belief that religion dictates politics and that politics should dictate the laws for everyone, Christian and non-Christian alike.
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1191826,00.html

  • broadstreetbully

    Well done, Prager. I love the term Christianist, and have always found that succinct definition you just posted to be a perfect explanation as to why the word is so useful and applicable in American politics.
    Also, is anyone else not able to see HE posts below the Louis Malle “Damage” one?

  • deadre

    I dunno, this sounds very possible or completely photoshopped. I’d love to see more pix of the lovely Gov during this period. I’ve heard of young girls barely looking pregnant but not women of this age who have had multiple pregnancies. Maybe this just proves she’s a good mother, or a huge liar….everything can be spun these days…Life is strange…

  • Ogami Itto

    There must be pictures of her when she was pregnant with her other children. Maybe someone will compare and contrast how she looked during her prior pregnancies and how she looked during her most recent one.

  • MariaMaria

    Smugness and rumormongering are going to disgust the middle-grounders, the people who are going to decide this election. Plus, it’s kind of gross.
    The economy still stinks, we are in an energy crisis and innocents are dying in a needless war. In addition, it took a domestic crisis the size of Katrina to make the executive branch invest and plan for Gustav (which, hopefully, will not be the kind of storm that is being predicted.)

  • George Prager

    MariaMaria must think that her mom (and my mom and all of their friends) are reading this website right now. They’re not.
    Proceed.

  • MariaMaria

    GP — You make condescension almost, but not quite, charming.
    Anyone who picks up the ridiculous Palin pregnancy story makes it a bigger story.
    Thanks for the permission to proceed.

  • Richardson

    One thing that makes me laugh — all the right-wingers a few months ago who said, “Hey, everybody knew about the Edwards affair — it was in the Enquirer! so why didn’t the MSM pick up on it?” now have to backtrack; when it’s pushing stories about Sarah Palin, the Enquirer is suddenly not so credible, huh?
    Anyway, the word from Alaska, from bloggers who live in the same small town as the Palins, is that both Palin and her daughter were pregnant at the same time; looking at the pictures of the daughter, coupled with her being out of school for 6-9 months and now having dropped out to be home-school, I don’t see how anybody can doubt that the daughter had a baby out of wedlock.
    The rumor that the baby was Twigg is so juicy I can’t imagine it won’t catch on, but it’s apparently not true. As much as we all want it to be.

  • Richardson

    “Smugness and rumormongering are going to disgust the middle-grounders, the people who are going to decide this election.”
    If they weren’t put off by months of “Obama is a secret MusliM! pass it on!”, they’re not going to be put off by this.

  • bmcintire

    Well, it would probably have made its way here sooner than later: the extra piece of rumor-mongering attached to the grandchild story is that it is a product of incest between her two oldest children (thus the Down’s Syndrome). Lovely.
    Sorry, Maria Maria.
    By the way- thevisceral FTW.

  • High Chaparral

    The family picture at:
    http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html
    looks like being from the same set as the one used with:
    http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html
    (same clothes, same background setting just taken outside)
    published in late 2006.
    Also, Downs babies are typically 10-20% smaller at birth.

  • buster

    The circle jerk has already begun.
    As a liberal I am sickened by the behavior here…and as self-proclaimed liberals you should be disgusted with yourselves. The excuse “imagine what they would do” just doesn’t jive with the (phony) indignation and intellectual superiority that are flaunted here.
    Wells has created his own planet of the apes. Bravo, Dr. Zaius..

  • SpinDozer

    Where the Hell is Mickey Kaus when you need him? This smells like its right up his, um, alley.

  • George Prager

    Let’s leave the incest angle alone. Yes, buster is a church lady, but It IS repulsive.
    Here’s a list from someone’s blog or something:
    45: number of months Sarah Palin has been pregnant
    20: number of months Sarah Palin has been governor
    9,000: population of Wasilla, AK the town of which Palin was mayor
    15,000: the number of people at the rally announcing her nomination as VP
    7: number of people in the Palin family
    7: number of houses John and Cindy McCain own
    72: years that John McCain has been alive
    49: years that Alaska has been a state
    1: number of times McCain and Palin had met before today
    20 million: the number of dollars that the city of Wasilla was left in debt when Palin’s term as mayor ended
    When John McCain started his campaign, Sarah Palin was not yet governor of Alaska.
    John McCain left both his first wife and Mitt Romney for beauty queens.

  • Richardson

    Bmac – does bringing up that part of the rumor add anything to the conversation? It’s a pretty lousy thing to say. If there’s any truth to it, it’s too unbearably tragic to be celebrated, and if there’s no truth to it (which is much more likely), you should be ashamed to mention it. It’s just as shameful to paint with the broad “small town = incest” brush as the “black person = hates America” brush.

  • Richardson

    Prager – it’s 8 houses, not 7; I like the one which says that McCain and Palin met 6 months ago, meaning that they have known each other fewer months than he has houses.
    Early word seems to be, she’s a big hit with social conservatives, but fiscal conservatives hate her.

  • 62Lincoln

    Some statistics about Down Syndrome births:
    Less than 1-in-1,000 for women under 30
    About 1-in-25 risk for a 45-year-old mother
    It’s possible for a teenager to have a baby with Down, but highly unlikely in contrast to the risk for an over 45 woman.
    Source: http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/d/down_syndrome/stats.htm
    I guess anything is possible. When did this site become Trailer Park Elsewhere? Repeating a rumor like this one ranks on the level of the mouthbreathers who repeat the “rumor” that Obama is a muslim.

  • George Prager

    While it is much more common for babies with DS to be born to women over 35 years of age (see my risk page), women under 35 have a higher birth rate.
    http://www.ds-health.com/faq.htm

  • broadstreetbully

    I think the more apt analogy is “small town = incest” as “black man = sexually brutish animal”.

  • MariaMaria

    How about just fucking with the right and treating her like any other VP candidate? In other words, nothing special, just another conservative Republican, and let her spin herself into the ground.
    What does this comparison imply about the capabilities of women?
    45: number of months Sarah Palin has been pregnant
    20: number of months Sarah Palin has been governor
    She doesn’t impress me. If I met her at an event, I would probably dismiss her because I am an elitist scumbag, but I am a bit touchy when it comes to overt (and inert) sexism. As are most women.

  • arturobandini2

    Far more substantial scandals for Sarah Palin are “Troopergate” and “Bridgegate.” The locals in Alaska are starting to point out that Palin was FOR the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. Not exactly how McCain described it. And the State Trooper boss she fired says he has e-mail evidence that Palin and her husband both tried to pressure him into firing their ex-brother-in-law.
    “Babygate” is juicier but probably a smokescreen of some sort. Like the trap Dan Rather fell into — minor scandal defused once key details prove untrue.

  • Richardson

    “What does this comparison imply about the capabilities of women? ”
    It’s funny that you’re asking in one breath to treat her like any other Republican, and then, in the next breath, to treat her as a representative for all women.
    I don’t see anything there regarding the capabilities of women (other than, I suppose, women are capable of being pregnant). It’s just another way of showing how inexperienced she is at her job. I’m not saying it’s the best one, but I don’t see it as sexist, just saying that she was, in fact, pregnant for 45 months of her life [should actually be 44, I think, since Twigg was a month premature].

  • MariaMaria

    Richardson–I was making her a representative; I was making the comparison a representative. It’s the kind of statistic that is a problem, in my eyes.
    The other stats are leading you to a conclusion. Why would you use her pregnancy as a stat otherwise? (I agree it’s a poor one but it’s also sexist.)

  • MariaMaria

    Richardson–Sorry I posted too soon. Essentially, you’re right. It;s being used to point out how inexperienced she is. I say there are other ways to point that out that avoid any references to her being a woman.

  • Richardson

    “I say there are other ways to point that out that avoid any references to her being a woman. ”
    I don’t mean to come off as defending that specific stat in any way, but I don’t think that *just* referencing the fact that she is, demonstrably, a woman is being sexist.
    “Why would you use her pregnancy as a stat otherwise?”
    Because she’s a complete unknown and it’s a shorthand to get facts and information across about her quickly.

  • MariaMaria

    Like I tell my husband all the time, “Work harder!”
    I’m not trying to be the word police either, I just used it as an example of something I perceived as sexist. Perhaps mildly so, but sexist nonetheless.

  • George Prager

    Meanwhile:
    Palin on Obama:
    “Something’s kind of changing here in Alaska, too, for being such a red state on the Presidential level. Obama’s doing just fine in polls up here, which is kind of wigging people out, because they’re saying, ‘This hasn’t happened for decades that in polls the D’ ”—the Democratic candidate—“ ‘is doing just fine.’ To me, that’s indicative, too. It’s the no-more-status-quo, it’s change.”
    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch

  • George Prager

    Meanwhile:
    The Feds have declared martial law on Minneapolis:
    http://www.feministing.com/archives/010742.html
    Where are all the brave HE defenders of free speech?

  • http://www.gamechangers.com Bonifer

    With barely over two months left before the election, the Republicans are desperate to have family dramas like Babygate and Troopergate become the focus so that what’s really at stake — economic investment, the war, education, health care, infrastructure, global competitiveness, bank failures, etc. etc. — can be kept offstage.
    Don’t even go there.
    Palin’s candidacy is not so much a Hail Mary play as it is a Fumblerooski — pure misdirection, with everyone on the offense running in one direction, getting the other team to focus so intently on where the ball ISN’T that Pappy McCain, the slowest guy on the team, can hoof his way to the end zone.
    Ignore Palin, people. She does not have the ball.

  • JohnD765

    So, the big problems in the main post is ’80s hair and ‘babygate’ (which is more and more looking like a smear campaign)?
    Yep. That addressed the ‘important’ topics alright.
    And how interesting that one poster made comment that, because of that same ‘babygate’, its, quote:
    “…just another way of showing how inexperienced she is at her job.”
    Yet the 4 year freshman congressman who was absent quite a bit of those years, and has proposed no bill in his name for anything, must of course be more qualified.
    To be fair, they both have about the same political experience, so the stone flinging on that point should probably stop.
    However, this post takes the cake:
    ” “Why would you use her pregnancy as a stat otherwise?”
    Because she’s a complete unknown and it’s a shorthand to get facts and information across about her quickly.”
    ????
    Its like saying Obama fathered a child, and since HE’S a complete unknown, that little bit of useless info will act as shorthand to get info across about him.
    And just how does that help get any facts across that matter….facts like what he intends to do regarding energy, the war, the economy? Other than it needs ‘change’?
    It doesn’t…the only info it gets across is that his dick works.
    About as useful as big hair in the ’80’s, and a scandal that even the MSM is seen as pretty far fetched.

  • Richardson

    “And how interesting that one poster made comment that, because of that same ‘babygate’, its, quote:
    “…just another way of showing how inexperienced she is at her job.””
    Nice dodge. If my quote had anything to do with babygate, you’d almost be close to making a point.
    “Its like saying Obama fathered a child, and since HE’S a complete unknown, that little bit of useless info will act as shorthand to get info across about him.”
    Obama has been on the national stage, being vetted by the public and the media, for four years.
    Palin has been on the national stage for less than four days.
    They’re not remotely comprable.
    “and a scandal that even the MSM is seen as pretty far fetched.”
    The same MSM you righties were criticizing for not picking up on the Edwards-affair from the Enquirer sooner?

  • JaySmack

    Poor Republicans. All that effort they put into timing the Palin announcement to take attention from the DNC convention, only to have Hurricane Gustav completely eclipse the RNC’s shameless Bush blowjob-fest.
    Who says there’s no God?
    A VP candidate the Republicans have to pretend they’re excited over when they don’t even know who she is, and a Presidential nominee they have to talk themselves into not hating.
    What’s really interesting is that when Katrina hit Bush was in Arizona partying with McCain. NOW he doesn’t want to be anywhere near McCain or the RNC’s week-long party.
    Dubya finally figured out what the proper response is to a natural disaster…three years too late!

  • broadstreetbully

    I find this growing drumbeat of lefties using Gustav’s political manifestations as proof that there is a God to be intellectually puzzling at best, deeply disturbing at worst.

  • SmilingPolitely

    Amiusing…
    “Nice try. Truly a masterpiece of Republican spin.
    The truth is different. Sarah Palin and her crowd want people to think that a 44-year-old woman pregnant with her fifth child fly to a business conference during her 8th month of pregnancy. While there, her water breaks, and she wouldn’t rush to the hospital. Instead, she would stay and make a half-hour speech.
    Then she would to to the Dallas airport and board a series of commercial flights, including a layover in Seattle, lasting more than 9 hours. Once in Anchorage, this high-risk mother would bypass the superior Anchorage hospitals and head to some small-town community hospital in the back country and deliver a 6 lb., 2 oz. baby one month premature.
    Sorry, but that one does NOT (pardon the pun) hold water. On its face, it is impossible. What actually happened is that Sarah Palin’s daughter, Bristol, was pregnant. By whom we don’t know, but boy would we ever like to. The father’s identity was the real embarrassment here, so Gov. Palin covered for her daughter by declaring herself pregnant.
    Problem is, she wasn’t a good enough actress. Her body didn’t look pregnant in most of her photos, and story of the baby’s birth is preposterous. Along comes Sue Williams to concoct some alternative story that makes even less sense; once disproven by showing that Bristol Palin is not currently pregnant, the whole “controversy” would blow away.
    But Aha! in the actual course of events, Bristol Palin gave birth in April to a baby that Sarah Palin claims is hers. Neither of them could currently be pregnant. Nice try at a diversion, Sue. I hope whoever paid you to make that posting paid you enough.”

  • http://martiansattackingindianapolis.blogspot.com/ Josh Massey

    When you see that hairstyle, what movie do you think of? One starring Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford, perhaps?
    And what year was that released?

  • sonofdy

    So much for democrats demands to “stick to the issues” If it is her daughters, which it is not, then she is a saint for helping her teenaged daughter in her time of need. Articles like this are why I could never be a hate filled liberal.

  • sonofdy

    As much as you attack this woman remember this,
    SHE HAS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN OBAMA!!!
    Suck on that you hate filled freaks.

  • SmilingPolitely

    From Andrew Sullivan
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/privacy-and-pal.html#more
    A reader writes:
    The argument against any kind of reporting on candidates’ personal lives has always been that private life should remain private. Why should I care if some guy has an affair, etc.
    Here’s why this isn’t off-limits. The McCain campaign has made the existence of this child a central part of its PR rollout of Palin, in particular highlighting the fact that Palin chose not to abort the child even though she knew the baby had Down Syndrome.
    The campaign has made the entire story of this pregnancy and birth a part of its narrative to portray Palin as a morally superior being who is therefore deserving of the second-highest office in the land.
    There is a serious possibility that this narrative is completely false, that, in fact, Palin’s daughter became pregnant, and that she decided to take the following steps: first, hide the pregnancy by withdrawing her daughter from school; and second, pretend that the child was hers, in the process lying to everyone around her, including the public and her staff. If she did this, one must then ask, why? Certainly, it was preferable to an abortion. But why couldn’t she simply admit that her daughter got pregnant at sixteen? Palin could have served as a wonderful role model of family support for a pregnant teen, and obviously she would have helped to raise the child. Instead, Palin sent a message that her daughter was shameful, and that lying is better than the truth.
    Even if one could excuse this behavior as a misguided effort to protect her family, what happened next is beyond the pale. Knowing full well the truth, Palin allowed the false version of this story to be used as part of a PR campaign to dupe voters into viewing her in a completely false light.
    What this says about her is that she believes that when you get into a situation where there might be public embarrassment, the best thing to do is lie (apparently, the same thing she did with Troopergate). That, to me, seems relevant to voters making a decision in November.

  • NotImpressedYet

    Judging by the fact that Gatrios has plastered this “comment” on every recent thread, is it safe to say this is a troll we can banish in bipartisan fashion?
    And to Smileyface’s post linking to the AndrewSullivan reader comment – that is a very persuasive argument. It’s such a cliche at this point, but might as well say it anyway: the cover up is always worse than the crime.
    At this point rabid and meanspirited speculation are a main driving force behind a story supported entirely by a circumstantial and speculative foundation. If I had to bet money on it, I’d say it’s false – just too audacious a coverup and there’s no way they could expect to get away with it under the magnifying glass of a presidential campaign. Then again, look at Edwards’ hubris…
    If it were true, it’d crush McCain’s chances!

  • SmilingPolitely

    The Sarah Palin Decision chart ’08!
    This is great stuff:
    http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png

  • JaggedUnderpants

    If footage surfaces of Alec Baldwin punching Palin in the stomach, we’ll know it was all a set-up for a Wayne Kramer movie…

  • arturobandini2

    SmilingPolitely: Hysterical, uh, flow chart.

  • http://soundbites.typepad.com SoundBitesNYC

    this hairstyle stuck around till at least 1993, especially those who didn’t live in LA or NYC. which is most of us.

  • Josh

    At least she wasn’t attending a racist Church and hanging out with a committed terrorist and bomber. If her worst thing is her 80’s hair than we as a country should be real happy.
    But thanks Wells. Get more sexist. Those Libs sure know how to do that well.

  • http://jimtreacher.com Jim Treacher

    It doesn’t sound at least somewhat credible.

  • Harley2002

    If all you got is making fun of her hair and stating lies about her baby. What a pitiful loser you are, Nuff said

  • SmilingPolitely

    I didn’t throw the link up before, but my post 48 is from this Alaskan blog:
    http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/off-to-the-land-of-palin/#comments
    By the The Logician

  • SmilingPolitely

    And that should have been AMUSING, not amiusing…
    Am i Using? LOL