comment #1

Chicago48 says ...

The best acting race is "ON"....Mickey for the win....kick Sean's butt!.....

comment #2

BurmaShave says ...

Yeah if Sean had won and not even been there I would have hated him more than I do Jeremy Piven.

comment #3

Chase Kahn says ...

I really hope Mickey does edge out Penn, although I would put money down on the latter.

'Slumdog' appears too far ahead to be caught, which is really fine by me. I think it's a better film than 'Button' or 'Milk', 'Frost/Nixon' shoudn't be in the Top 20. 'Dark Knight' certainly has a shot if it does get in, but the nomination is its win, in my opinion.

comment #4

lipranzer says ...

Whatever else, I am happy for Rourke, Hawkins, and Ledger.

comment #5

Bilge says ...

FYI, Jeff, Sigourney Weaver won Best Actress and Best Supporting in 1989 for GORILLAS IN THE MIST and WORKING GIRL.

comment #6

Flosh says ...

The win for Colin Farrell was nice - In Bruges deserves the recognition.

Also, I'm happy for the Rourke win. Hopefully that will move Fox Searchlight to finally put the movie in more theaters so I can finally see the damn thing!

comment #7

MindlessObamaton says ...

Am I the only one who thought that David Morse should've won? He was so good in JOHN ADAMS and his look as Washington was dead on brilliant. A great, underappreciated talent.

comment #8

TM says ...

Yeah Weaver did win in 1989, but the best actress that year was a 3-way tie (Weaver, Shirley MacLaine for Madame Souzatska and Jodie Foster for The Accused) -- so in a sense Winslet did make history because she won both solo. I hope the Academy will rethink some of the category qualifications. If Winslet is a supporting actress in The Reader, then who is the leading lady? Same with Doubt. If P.S. Hoffman is a supporting character who is the leading man? They should invoke something akin to the "Hamlet" rule that the Tony Awards adopted for a while in the 80s and 90s. Despite billing, whoever had the leading role was considered in the leading category.

comment #9

plastiqueelephant says ...

I'll tenth that to the Rourke win. Just caught The Wrestler on a Oscar bootleg last night and whoa! Watched it twice and was just as compelling the second time around. I like Sean Penn plenty but while his performance is rooted in tics and affectations, Rourkes comes from a intense burning essential fire. Was really great to see Aronofsky back on track. Seeing as Nolan and Fincher seem have a ceiling of being very, very good... I believe he's the one American director of that generation who still has a real shot at greatness. Also, go Eagles!

comment #10

Ray says ...

I'm with you, Jeff ... not much original music in SLUMDOG to warrant the win. The win is probably due to its foreign sound more than anything.

Rourke deserved that win over Penn, although I thought Penn was as good as an Oreo cookie in MILK.

Given the field, SLUMDOG probably deserves the win for Best Drama. However, THE WRESTLER is better ... I'm still a bit stunned that it didn't end up in contention in this category.

Was there ever any doubt about Heath??

All in all, a pretty good awards ceremony.

comment #11

Rod32303 says ...

Happy for Rourke. Hell of an actor still when given the right material. But it's bullshit to think one win erases Penn's majestic work in "Milk." Watch the REAL Harvey and see that not only did Penn authenticate every "tick" and "affectation" but he got to the spirit and joy of the man. Penn will rule when Oscar comes around, and had a class act speech at the Broadcast Critics. Did he not show at the Globes? I would think this would put him in higher esteem with the Academy than if he had showed. Good for Winslet's Best Actress win, though Cruz or Davis should have won Supporting. Her part is not supporting in "The Reader."

comment #12

BurmaShave says ...

The best supporting actor in JOHN ADAMS was Dillane as Jefferson, and he wasn't even nominated.

comment #13

alynch says ...

Hell, Wilkinson wasn't even particularly good in John Adams. He made the easiest, hammiest choice in every single scene, overplaying the eccentricity of Franklin while failing to convey the legendary mind underneath. Stephen Dillane and Zeljko Ivanek gave the best performances in that series.

comment #14

Brigadier Pudding says ...

"Sometimes when you're alone, all you got is your dog."

God bless you, Mickey Rourke.

comment #15

Josh Massey says ...

Thrilled for Farrell, if only because it will get more people to see "In Bruges," one of my 2008 favorites.

comment #16

Rev. Slappy says ...

I like Winslet, but two Globes is kind of ridiculous, especially for the mediocrity that is Revolutionary Road. The Hollywood Foreign Press has about as much credibility as the E! channel. Ben Lyons should be in charge the HFP.

comment #17

Renfield says ...

How fucking pissed would you be if you were Sam Mendes right now.

Winslet basically declared her true love for DeCaprio on live TV.

If that were my wife...there would be a Revolutionary Road by way of Carnal Knowledge.

comment #18

plastiqueelephant says ...

Rod32303: Not saying Penn's performance wasn't very, very good. But it's one thing watching footage to distill the essence of a man and a whole, superior other moulding one scratch from unformed clay. In terms of craft those tics and affectations provide such a huge entry point for creating a character. While Penn had those on a Life and Times plate, Rourke's character which was just as detailed were created by him and Aronofsky from the power of their joint imaginations.

Also, for me, I know it could never have happened for biz reasons but would have been much more powerful if they'd had a gay actor playing that part instead of one of the most masculine, hetero guys around. Watching it, I was always aware that it was Sean Penn the actor playing gay and playing Milk. But sounds like you didn't have that reaction so power to you.

comment #19

Marty Melville says ...

Rourke.... the first time a Golden Globe award cheered me up, let alone had any kind of effect at all. Any vid links to his speech yet?

comment #20

the400blows says ...

I am in complete agreement with your post, plastiqueelephant. I am also getting tired of actors/actresses winning awards for playing other people, such as Helen Mirren, Forrest Whitaker, Reese Witherspoon, Jamie Foxx, Cate Blanchett, etc. IMO, it requires a lot more imagination to create a character out of thin air than to imitate one.

I have a feeling I'm going to like the results from the Golden Globes more than the Oscars. Good for Farrell, Hawkins, Winslet, and Boyle (all British--hmmm). One of these days, Ralph Fiennes will win something too. Of the nominated films, I'm glad both Slumdog Millionaire and Vicky Cristina Barcelona won. Way to go, Woody!

comment #21

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

The word todays, boys and girls, is "star-fucking." Can you say "star-fucking?" Good, because you just learned all you need to know about the HFPA.

Look, its very simple - they nominate and many times award those they want to see show up. Or simply ape what has already won elsewhere.

Look at "John Adams." Giamatti was woefully miscast and then proceeded to base Adams on his own neurotic take, reducing the man in the book to a cliche. In movie, it's understandable, but in a mini-series its unforgivable. And someone was right, Dillan as Jefferson was the stand out performance. But Dillan isn't a star, so the HFPA didn't want to fuck him. Only fuck him over...

comment #22

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Dillane

HE really needs a decent preview function...

comment #23

LexG says ...

THANK YOU, Jeff, for asking a very important question, and I've said it before:

Most of the SLUMDOG soundtrack is SONGS. There's the MIA song, there's the Latika song, which is a lilting vocal, and bunches and bunches of Hindi pop songs and hip-hop cues. I don't know that ANY of them would qualify as "score."

How many idiots voted for it based on the music played in the TRAILER, which is actually a SIGUR ROS song AND WAS ALSO USED in the trailer for CHILDREN OF MEN???? I bet a fair share of the folks who voted actually saw the ads 200 times and thought that affecting piece of music was score.

I can't think of a single moment in the film that was score. So it goes and loses to DESPLAT'S incredible Ben Button score, which entirely resurrects the lush, swooning, melancholy JOHN BARRY SOUND.

comment #24

Jonah says ...

"Yeah if Sean had won and not even been there I would have hated him more than I do Jeremy Piven."

I wanted Rourke to win too, but this is a really stupid thing to say. Sean gave a great performance. He has no power over who else gave a great performance, or who wins the award.

comment #25

K. Bowen says ...

Do the Globes favor foreign talent and thereby distort the Oscars? It's an interesting question.

comment #26

bmcintire says ...

I'm happy for Mickey (and he deserved both the nomination and the win) but I am also surprised that he wasn't wearing sunglasses for his acceptance speech. Relax the pose already. And introduce yourself to a bath and a comb.

comment #27

Calraigh Bracken says ...

400blows- Colin Farrell isn't British, he's Irish. How exactly in 2009 could you mix these two distinct nationalities up?

Viola Davis was robbed tonight, as was Scott Thomas. Great to see Rourke get just desserts and slightly sickened by all the Slumdog love. The fact it won best score is just a really, really bad joke.
Great to see Colin get a Globe, can't wait to see Triage .

comment #28

Rod32303 says ...

Not sure why people think playing a real person is any easier than creating from your own imagination. If anything, it's more difficult not to fall into MIMICRY, which Penn, Foxx, Whitherspoon, Blanchett, Mirren and Whitaker never did. That impersonation shit is interesting for five minutes (watch SNL), but these actors transcend that and make these people their own.I give all props to Rourke, who created a real live breathing human being...but for me, so did Penn, with the added extra burden of getting a walk, an accent, and an essence right - his Harvey Milk is still a CHARACTER, for he can never really BE Harvey Milk. How much of Rourke's character is created, or how much is really Rourke? Apples and Oranges. plastiqueelephant, very clear what you said, and your views as well as all others on here are totally respected.

comment #29

plastiqueelephant says ...

Rod32303, I guess I'd just point to the length of the list as an indication that it's significantly easier. Whitaker, Phoenix, Whitherspoon, Theron and Foxx in particular haven't done anything even close to the stratosphere of their oscar winning/nominated turns. They're all good, but each of their Oscar nominated turns playing a modern historical figure with tape footage forms a career best. Of course it's a challenge not descending into mimicry, but these are passion projects in which the good actors are immersing themselves in the character for months. So SNL and the films we're talking about are ... Apples and Oranges. Ha! Good to banter with you mate.

comment #30

tresgatos says ...

Whitaker, Phoenix, Witherspoon, Theron, and Foxx may not have done much else...but I'm sure I could pick five Oscar winners who played fictional characters who haven't done much else either (let's start with Halle Berry).

However, I generally agree with you...I didn't think "Ray" or "Walk the LIne" were good movies and the performances felt like mimicry...focusing on getting the voice and physical mannerisms right at the expense of creating real characters. I didn't have that feeling at all with Penn though (or Marion Cotillard last year)...both are incredibly well-rendered performances that triumphed over my usual aversion to biopics.

comment #31

Chase Kahn says ...

There are two original songs that are played pretty regularly in 'Slumdog' -- That Jaiho song (spelling?) that was playing every time the film won an award last night -- that was original.

Then the song that plays every time Latika shows up on screen -- it also plays at the beginning of the trailer.

comment #32

Chicago48 says ...

Ok -- I'm starting a little controversy. Boyle said last night that Slumdog would open in India next week. Watch and see -- it won't be accepted with open arms, esp. after that Mumbai incident. The Muslims were behind the Mumbai blast, and they are the minority in India and the worst treated. It's ok that an Indian-themed film is winning awards, but don't think the population will embrace it or even make changes within the society.
It's like the Italians and Sopranos; and African Americans and American Gangster. Good movies/TV shows, but the ethnic group don't like the image.

comment #33

PCP_Patriots says ...

Mickey Rourke - NEW CULT HERO!

comment #34

plastiqueelephant says ...

Chicago 48: Things in India (I'm writing this from Mumbai where I'm currently financing a film set here) are far more nuanced than you posit. There has been very little, almost no backlash against Muslims because of the blast, Muslims are EVERYWHERE here (there are more in India than Pakistan) as is their religion (goats to be slaughtered for a Muslim holiday were tethered in my laneway all last week - and I live in Bandra (the equivalent of Beverly Hills) without complaints from anyone - imagine that in America!). The immense anger in the papers and mass rallies has been directed against their own politicians first (for not keeping them safe) and the Pakistan government (actually mostly at the ISI, their CIA) second. The two biggest stars Shah Rukh Khan and Salman Khan are both Muslim and they like many other their faith spoke out hard against the blast. Class is a MUCH greater definer of how poorly you are treated than religion here. Mumbai in particular moved beyond race riots after the 1992 bombings which DID divide the city.

In terms of the film, this is all circumstantial but right now each day the newspapers report the awards for Slumdog with immense pride. This is a fiercely proud country which wears it's international successes as badges of honor. And the fact that AR Rehman wrote the music and Anil Kapoor star give it much credibility. Rehman is the biggest composer in the country by a mile (and composers are more famous than directors here because the songs are people's favorite bits of the movie) and Kapoor is a superstar. The pirate copies already selling on the street are selling out quicker than they can stock them and when the film comes up in conversation every day I've not heard nothing but excitement... not a single negative sentiment.

That's not to say it'll be a success compared to a Bollywood "superhit", but it's already become part of the cultural fabric and will do just fine.

comment #35

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

plastiqueelephant - From what I've seen, that has been the gist of what has been the papers here - that Indians are very keen on SLUMDOG.

Keep in mind, this is the first Western film getting this kind of play that is actually about Indians other than GANDHI. Other things have tended to be about Brits in India (A PASSAGE TO, etc). I'm sure many are hoping this will be the film that finally makes American cinestes interested in home grown product in the way they are into French & Japanese films. Bollywood product still seems more of a cult-interest thing than truly embraced as another world cinema.

Admittedly, I can only name the Apu trilogy for my own familiarity.

comment #36

plastiqueelephant says ...

Deathtongue_Groupie: And also vice versa. There's a hope amongst the more progressive film types here that Slumdog will make Indians more receptive to Western narrative conventions which, if incorporated, will make the films here better able to travel. Bollywood does some things amazingly (emotion, scope, songs, emotion) but most of commercial films have no consistency, tonal discipline and many have no story (films are often written in a single draft after the greenlight during pre-production). For instance, Ghajini which is currently breaking all BO records is an ultra-violent rip-off of Memento, mixed with a comedy romance, mixed with an Hip-hop musical (following a brawl with steel pipes the Guy Pearce character is suddenly dressed like Justin Timberlake and dancing in the desert with 20 back-up dancers).

So a bit of cross-polination could be a very good thing. And given how massive the industry is here already, could lead it's films out of the cult and Indian immigrant cinema ghetto.

comment #37

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"Was really great to see Aronofsky back on track."

Want to remind me again when and how he got off track?

comment #38

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"400blows- Colin Farrell isn't British, he's Irish. How exactly in 2009 could you mix these two distinct nationalities up?"

In defense of 400, the northern part of Ireland *is* considered part of Great Britain (is it not?), so your outrage (feigned or otherwise) seems a bit out of proportion here. He called him British, not English, so I don't think he was mixing the nationalities up at all.

Farrell was born in Dublin, but not everyone knows that (or should know that, it's trivial). If he was born only 100 miles further north, calling him British would be technically correct, would it not?

I'm actually not trying to be a smartass here, I'm honestly asking...

comment #39

SomeCallMeTim says ...

The battle between Mickey Rourke and Sean Penn goes all the way back to Barfly. Barbet Schroeder worked his ass of to get the film made and even went so far as to bring a jigsaw to a lawyer's office and threaten to cut off his own finger on the guy's desk to get the financing. Penn wanted to be in the film but only if Dennis Hopper was directing (this was right after Colors).

There's a great scene in Bukowski's "Hollywood" where they all meet to try and work things out but Hopper was like one of those things that doesn't belong because he had just cleaned up his life and wasn't drinking anymore. Naturally, Bukowski couldn't understand how anybody who wasn't drinking could direct one of his stories and the film stayed with Schroeder and the role was Rourke's.

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