comment #1

Ray says ...

Hmmm ... that's a peculiar way for Alan Moore to publicize an upcoming adaptation of his comic. Is he unhappy with Snyder's version? It looks like a pretty faithful rendering of the comic book thus far.

comment #2

Glenn Kenny says ...

Ray, Moore isn't "publicizing" an upcoming adaptation of his comic; he's disassociating himself from it, as he has done with just about every film adaptation of his work. He is so thoroughly hardcore about this that he didn't even keep the money that came to him from the "Watchmen" film; he gave his portion to artist Dave Gibbons. Moore loathes Hollywood, refuses to work with it, and expresses his disdain for it at every opportunity; one of the many reasons he doesn't do work for corporate comics concerns any more is to insure his work is kept out of Hollywood's hands.

comment #3

Calraigh Bracken says ...

Jesus Ray, did you read the post? What part of "100 million dollars -- that's what they spent on the Watchmen film which nearly didn't come out because of the lawsuit. And that's what they spent on The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen which shouldn't have come out but did anyway'', don't you understand?

Sometimes I really, wholeheartedly, empathize with Bale's f-rant. Christ. Comprehension skills- acquire them.

comment #4

Sabina E says ...

I LOVE Alan Moore and he is absolutely CORRECT. many of my favorite graphic novelists (or comic book artists) are very quirky, off-beat and underground, not well-known, but there's so much creativity in their graphic novels, nobody can censor them. Stuff that I wouldn't normally read in X-Men or Wonder Woman. (yes, I read new issues every month)

the same is so true for playwrights. Playwrights have so much more freedom to write what they want, and theatre producers can't really change their stage plays without the playwright's consent. It's a whole different story for SCREENWRITERS who are, sadly, producers' little bitches.

comment #5

Sabina E says ...

Glen, didn't Alan Moore try to stop them from turning Watchmen into a film? I remember reading that he had a bitter battle with the filmmakers over this. I'm not really sure, though.

comment #6

Ray says ...

@ Calraigh Bracken - I wasn't aware that Moore had such disdain for the upcoming WATCHMEN film. I know he got screwed over with LEAGUE, but this version seems to be pretty faithful to the source .. so his reaction surprised me.

As for your rant, lighten up a bit. There's nothing in that quote from Moore that indicates why he's saying that (other than hating on all $100 million dollar movies). If Moore hates Hollywood so much, then he's doing a piss-poor job of protecting his works from adaptation. And if he doesn't like the upcoming WATCHMEN movie version, then he should shut the fuck up; every time he talks about it, he fuels the interest in it even further.

comment #7

Ju-osh says ...

Ray (because once again you've ranted without reading):
You said: "If Moore hates Hollywood so much, then he's doing a piss-poor job of protecting his works from adaptation."
Four posts earlier, Glenn K wrote: "One of the many reasons he doesn't do work for corporate comics concerns any more is to insure his work is kept out of Hollywood's hands."
Seems to me like that's pretty much *everything* an artist can do.
Oh, and you really shouldn't follow up a line like, "lighten up a bit" with "And if he doesn't like the upcoming WATCHMEN movie version, then he should shut the fuck up." It makes you look like a hypocrite.

comment #8

chicagodad says ...

One of Moore's main issues is with adaptation from one form to another, period. If a piece works in its original form, why adapt it? You're going to lose elements that at best will lessen the experience, and at worst, will completely pervert the original.

Look at the Spirit, for God's sake. You think anyone who has that film as their only exposure is thinking "Wow, Will Eisner was using a Sunday Comics supplement to tell amazing, well-crafted, humanistic short stories."?

Watchmen is a work that really only has its full impact as a comic. There are so many tiny, subtle hints spread throughout the books, and putting these visual cues into the movie without them being completely obvious and ham-fisted will be difficult, if not impossible.

If you need proof, read issue #5 of the series, "Fearful Symmetry." I think it's probably in the top 3 uses of the comic book format for storytelling ever. It's a huge spoiler issue, and most of us didn't even realize it when we read it.

comment #9

chicagodad says ...

The other thing is that basically, Moore is very much only speaking for himself.

I've never read anything leading me to believe he harbors any ill-will towards Dave Gibbons, and actually made it a point that part of his payout went to John Higgins, the book's colorist.

he just doesn't want to be associated with the adaptation in any way.

comment #10

Ryansi51 says ...

if you want to talk comics...

was there ever anything more genius put to print than THE FAR SIDE?

comment #11

Rich S. says ...

chicagodad beat me to it. Moore has always been firmly in the camp that comics are their own thing. He writes his stories for that medium and thinks that is their first, best use.

So I don't think he hates film so much as he doesn't believe the translation is necessary or desirable. The medium changes the message, in effect.

I just recently re-read Watchmen in preparation for seeing the film and (blasphemy!) it doesn't hold up as well as I remembered. Maybe it's because comics deconstruction has become so commonplace.

But, historical significance and literary merit aside, it's still a fun and interesting story. I can't wait to see the film.

comment #12

Ponderer says ...

"The more money that's involved in a project the less imagination there will be in the project, and vice versa."

Wasn't Watchmen, the graphic novel, kind of a huge money, huge investment, kind of deal for DC when it came out? They certainly spent the farm promoting and publicizing it the year of its release. It ain't Cerebus, let's just put it that way.

comment #13

JB Moore says ...

"Mary Worth" is pure genius.

comment #14

Don Murphy says ...

Alan Moore is a hypocrite and a liar

-- He took a million dollars from Fox for League- he did not HAVE to do so
-- He claims that he never saw League so why does he get to comment on the merits of it? YOU can say what you want to- but he never saw it
-- He has made over $3 million dollars on the increased sales of the Watchmen hardcover due to the film- he isn't returning that money
--He sold the rights to Watchment in 1988
-- He attacked V for Vendetta back when it came out- after he had sold those rights

He is an old man who smokes too much hash and prays to a lizard god. Don't buy his bullshit.

comment #15

JapAdapters says ...

-- What did he do with the millions he took?
-- Lucky for Alan Moore.
-- Why shouldn't Allan Moore make more money off the sales of the Watchmen? How does that cointradict one word he's said above?
-- If he sold the rights to Watchmen in 1988, then why is he making all this money now?
-- So someone can't attack a movie after they've sold the rights to it? And isn't VfV the reason Alan Moore no longer wants to have anything to do with Hollywood?

Maybe you should smoke some hash and pray to a lizard God, so you could do some good work.

comment #16

JapAdapters says ...

I'll take what Moore says one step further, and I've been saying this for years: All the quality subversive fiction we saw out of 1970s Hollywood has moved to comics. This increase in creativity has also coincided with comics becoming less and less mainstream (or popular), which backs up Moore's point.

As for Moore the writer, I find him to be hit-or-miss, especially lately, but there's no denying that when he's on he creates fantastic stuff.

comment #17

MartinBlank says ...

Ponderer sez:

"Wasn't Watchmen, the graphic novel, kind of a huge money, huge investment, kind of deal for DC when it came out? They certainly spent the farm promoting and publicizing it the year of its release."

That's marketing and distribution, not production. Moore is talking about something that costs $100 mil just to produce. You and a friend, if sufficiently talented, could produce something like Watchmen with a typewriter, ink, and some paper. Yes, art and writing supplies cost some money, but not nearly as much as even a low-budget indie flick costs.

Of course, if you then want the widest audience for your work, you have to take it to Marvel or DC, who then have to decide if it can make them money and keep their stockholders happy. What you gain in exposure for your work, you lose in control (and back when Moore was writing for DC, they weren't much on creators' rights). These days Moore is happy at Top Shelf, a smaller outfit that guarantees him control over his work, part of which I gather means that he has a say in whether some caffeinated fanboy gets to make Hollywood dreck based on his work.

comment #18

storymark says ...

"-- He claims that he never saw League so why does he get to comment on the merits of it? YOU can say what you want to- but he never saw it"

So? I never saw it either, but could tell from the trailers it was junk - and I wasn't the creator of the comic. every single thing I've heard from those who did see it supports this.

Shit smells from far away, Don.

comment #19

MartinBlank says ...

Oh, and Moore gets to comment on the merits of LXG the movie because it's a generally acknowledged piece of shit even among those who have never seen a movie before. Urchins in Jakarta who don't even know what a movie is can still testify to the gargantuan piece-of-shitness that is LXG.

comment #20

JB Moore says ...

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/15881/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-IS-ALAN-MOORE-A-HYPOCRITE/Page1.html

comment #21

chicagodad says ...

Actually, he didn't sell the rights. It was a fairly groundbreaking deal at the time, in that he and Gibbons retained a good deal of control and "ownership" of the concepts and characters.

As I understand it, the rub is that the deal was written so the rights would revert back to Moore and Gibbons fully after the material was no longer actively in print for a certain period. This was before the industry was so trade paperback driven. No one, not Moore and Gibbons, and certainly not DC, expected the trade to still be in print over 20 years later.

And his attack on V for Vendetta was more about the fact that the producers implied that he was involved in the project when he wasn't.

comment #22

Don Murphy says ...

Japadapters you are a incoherent writer and a fool, you never followed my arguments so your attempt to refute them is as pathetic as your small little life as a minimum wage clerk

storymark The film made a lot of money theatrically and on video. Many people liked it. You did not see it. Therefore the very fact that you would comment on it establishes you as a useless internet dick who thinks his opinions matter. They don't and never will. When you die no one will miss you.

Martinblank I know that in your windowless basement you are used to whatever you type being considered true but that is NOT the case here. Sorry to say many many people like the film. I don't care if you like it. I don't care if you live or die. My point was that this man has become more and more hypocritical over the years. I never saw the Devin piece but there is more support for my opinion. Just like everything you write confirms you as a useless wanker.

comment #23

Don Murphy says ...

chicagoad the only thing worse than fucksticks trying to bait me is anonymous internet dicks spreading false information

Your comment about the rights reverting had to do with the publishing, nimrod. He sold Watchmen rights to Larry Gordon in 1988, V for Vendetta to Silver in 1990, Constantine to Warners in 1994, FROM HELL to me in 1995 and League to me in 1997. He sold them and cashed the checks.

And no, genius, he attacked the film without seeing it in serious detail in the Times.

Shut the fuck up next time and learn.

comment #24

frank_delsa says ...

"Has anyone told Alan Moore that he's essentially doing adaptations?

Well, technically what he's doing is really fanfic - extending the adventures of beloved characters - and slashfic - making beloved characters have explicit sex - but let's be kind and not lump him in with the people drawing pictures of Lion-O fucking Snarf on Usenet. Alan Moore is rather angry about the guy who directed 300 taking a crack at his work, but does he think JM Barrie would have been okay with Peter Pan cumming on Wendy's stomach while her brothers look on and jerk off? "

Devin Faraci

By the way, he's referring to Lost Girls, one of Moore's latest works.
I actually think that Devin is spot on. Pretty great article.

comment #25

JapAdapters says ...

Don Murphy, you are a lout of a man who sees the world in cliches because you are one: A fat, obnoxious, bullying hack of a producer. You're like a character right out of one of your own pieces of shit.

You can take (incorrect) shots at my life but I know what you do: Make shitty for a lot of money. Bully for you, but you still make shitty movies. You also use swagger (jiggle?) and bluster to make your "points."

How did my questions not address your points? Alan Moore made money off the sale of The Watchmen BOOK. Doesn't contradict what he said. Doesn't make him a hyporcrite. See, I know people like you (read: those who sell shit and tell themselves they have worth because people buy shit) expect Alan Moore to be a martyr if he dares to question your "success" but, again, that's the same simplistic world view that drives all your "creative" decisions.

Furthermore, I'm happily married to a beautiful (in spirit) woman and have two lovely children. I work with inner city children and make $42.50 an hour doing fulfilling work. Go ahead, though, think everyone is living in a basement and working as "clerks," because it just proves what you think of your audience.

Here's a question for you: You're clearly a fan of Alan Moore's work; how do you think he feels about yours?

comment #26

chicagodad says ...

Don-

You're right. I misunderstood which rights were being discussed in your original post. My bad.

And on the V for Vendetta thing, I'm basing my recollection on the articles I read about him being upset about the implied involvement, , not on him actually bashing the movie itself. I hadn't read the Times piece, because frankly, after the initial dust-up I just ignored it.

Please note that I didn't comment on League, or him bashing it, because I essentially agree.

If he'd become so opposed to adaptation, he shouldn't have licensed the property for adaptation. Or, if you're opposed to the film, but still want the cash, then just take the money and be quiet. The Watchmen rights, well, maybe I could chalk that up to the idea of him being wide-eyed and naive, or at least less strident in his views in '88.

I like a lot of his writing, but the martyrdom I can do without.

Anyway, thanks for the pleasant discourse. Have a great day.

comment #27

Ryansi51 says ...

"Here's a question for you: You're clearly a fan of Alan Moore's work; how do you think he feels about yours?"

great post japadapters.

comment #28

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Right when I was starting to think Moore sounds like an idiot for not getting what an achievement it is that Snyder got that film in the can for $100M ($120M actually), and being colossally intellectually dishonest for saying "...books are always superior, anyway..." because film will always have a leg up on print when it comes to making an emotional connection to an audience, well then along comes Don Murphy to put true blustering, infantile stupidity into perspective.

comment #29

Don Murphy says ...

Japadapters I never said you lived in a basement. I questioned your ability to read and process thought and your reply proved me right. I seriously touched a nerve with you based on your response.

I hope your boss at the 42.50 an hour (did you mean 4.25 plus tips?) knows you have the time to be an internet dick, constantly posting on countless movie boards during work trying to fill that empty whole in your sould.

I laugh at the coward who calls himself by a 1940's racist handle.

I'm not fat, thank you, but even if I am 15 pounds overweight, does that make you less stupid and in need of remedial English skills?

I'm not a hack thank you (no proof in evidence) but does that make your worthless life worth any more ? You'll never matter and we both know it.

I'm not a bully (you decided to engage in an attack with me you loser, dull witted man) but even if I were, does that mean your blind wife will love you when she one day wakes up and smells the coffee? I'm sure your imaginary wife is beautiful in spirit but I notice you don't mention much else about her. Barbie is only a plastic doll man, give it up.

Moore says he hates DC. He hates movies. He pretty much says he hates everything. But he still was happy to take money. LOTS AND LOTS of money. You don't know this, being a social retard, but WATCHMEN is actually an adaptation of all the old Charlton characters. He "adapted" them when DC decided (after they bought them) not to have them killed. Everything Alan Moore has ever done is an adaptation. So saying you hate adaptations IS being a hypocrite.

I can only be a bully if I came after you, JA. You came after me and I showed you the hopelessness of your life. Those inner city kids laugh at you when you turn your back and so do I.

chicagodad thanks for showing a classy response to my angry posting at you. It was based on the FUCKING RETARDS like the morally bankrupt Japadapters and Martinblank starting in on personal attacks in order to compensate for their tiny penises. YOU deserved an apology because you are better than they are. I am sorry

comment #30

Rich S. says ...

I had never quite thought of it in the terms that Devin Faraci sets out in that Chud piece, but he's right. With the exception of V for Vendetta (and perhaps Constantine), most of Alan Moore's best know works have been deconstructions of other people's stuff.

Doesn't make them any less enjoyable. Marvelman and Swamp Thing are still two of the best comics series I've ever read. But it does shed them in an interesting light.

Maybe that's why I like Warren Ellis' Planetary (coming soon to a theater near you!) so much.

comment #31

Don Murphy says ...

Ryan That line isn't "great" sir, because he states MY OPINION based on nothing. He assumes facts not in evidence. Then he asks a question about what Moore thinks. But Moore doesn't GO TO THE MOVIES so the point is moot.

Deathtongue I can always count on you to show up and attack like the cowardly pussy you are.

comment #32

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

What can I say Murphy, you are what you eat.

Thanks for the chance to use an old grade school line. With you, it seems most apt. One of these days I'm gonna have to introduce you to this tarbaby I hear has been saying similar things about you and let you have at it.

comment #33

storymark says ...

"The film made a lot of money theatrically and on video."

And the Spice Girls made a lot of money, too.

Nice to see you havn't stopped tossing out the gradeschool insults at anyone who should DARE disagree with you, though.

Stay classy.

comment #34

Don Murphy says ...

Deathtongue thanks for confirming your pussiness but it was obvious to all and sundry here...now you have to go all racial too? You should be ashamed, little man.

comment #35

chicagodad says ...

Rich, have you ever read any of John Byrne's posts on his forum regarding Moore? Holy mackerel.

And yes, much Moore's best stuff is really deconstructionist treatments of characters within deconstructions of the medium of comics.

But when you've been reading comics as long as I have (and I assume you have) that fresh take on a familiar medium is just so much damned fun to read. But it can also come across to those less immersed in comics as being shocking for shock's sake (the Kid Miracleman arc leaps to mind)

I still wish he'd finished the 1963 pastiche he did for Image....

Rick Veitch's stuff is great the same way, and he's got a touch of the martyrdom thing as well.

comment #36

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Of course you would fail to understand a Gullah reference, thanks for confirming to all and sundry here.

The amount of time you spend playing big man online only confirms just how little you must have to do with your various projects...

comment #37

Brent says ...

Murphy - It's all about the goddamn money, isn't it? Fuck you. You're just pissed because Moore doesn't play your fucking ballgame. I hope he keeps twisting the knife into you and Hollywood's back for the rest of his life.

And get your facts straight. The original proposal for Watchmen was to use the Charlatan characters, but the editors didn't want to kill them off. Moore used original characters in Watchmen instead. So, quit saying he was adapting because he wasn't. Quit saying he hates movies because of you haver ever read one interview with the man, you know he loves the medium.

Moore just doesn't love you, and you can't stand it. Now fuck off into your little hole where people tell you that you are brilliant. Because here, we tell the truth, and the truth is that you're the one who is a fucking hack.

comment #38

Rich S. says ...

chicagodad, I think we've discussed some of this before and, yeah, I think I've been reading comics for almost as long as you have. Not as active as I used to be. Too expensive, and, frankly, the new spin on some of the characters - triggered, it should be noted, in no small part by Alan Moore - leaves me cold. But I still love the classics. I'm working my way through volume two of Marvel Essentials: The Mighty Thor right now. Fantastic stuff that still holds up nearly 40 years after the fact.

comment #39

Don Murphy says ...

Brent

You may be the biggest moron of all Scarecrow!

-- Moore was happy to pplay my ballgame for many many years. He took millions of dollars from that ballgame. You are incorrect, as usual.
-- My facts are straight, tool. The company name is Charlton. A charlatan is a pretender - like you.
-- Watchmen is an adaptation of the Charlton characters, asshole. Dr Manhattan- Captain Atom, Niteowl= Blue Beetle, Rohrschach= The Question- Please stop typing you are wrong and you are stoooopid.

--- Learn to read- the man hates on movies in every interview, tool

--- My favorites bit- WE tell the truth- ROTFLMAO- as if you belong to any group.- Hilarious

Loser

comment #40

mirkinthemystic says ...

Great thread!
I've worked on and off in comics for many years. I would say that most comics (or graphic novels, as we now call them) that are produced are pretty terrible, but there exists a body of work that has a large degree of merit, ranging from yes, Watchmen through to Daniel Clowes stuff... Not forgetting Crumb, Mckay's Little Nemo, Eisner's The Spirit, the classic Judge Dredd stories, WE3, Rogan Gosh, Ditko's Dr Strange and Spider-Man run, Kirby's Fantastic Four, Thor and 'New Gods' opus, Wrightson's Swamp Thing, Moebius, Liberatore, Batman Year One... There's many more, of course. Just reeling off a few titles that come to mind.

My own view is that the best comics are not in the same league as the best movies. Which comic book has ever approached the quality of the Godfather movies, for example?

Anyway, they're completely different art-forms. Comics don't move, have sound and are not printed on clear celluloid!

Expensive movies like 2001, Blade Runner, Alien, the first Matrix, Clockwork Orange etc, are certainly equal to any comic book creation. I've rediscovered Tim Burton's second Batman movie... It's really quite mad!

More recently, I thought the V For Vendetta movie was pretty good. Dark Knight was solid. The first Christopher Reeves Superman was alright too. Iron Man was a good, fun, well made film with a light touch, if slightly pedestrian storyline.

The problem with signing legal contracts is that even if you're a young and naive creator, you still have to abide by what you've signed up for! I got taken to the cleaners a few times in my earlier career, but it's best to hire a lawyer if you don't know what you're doing!

Frankly, writing and drawing a decent comic is hard work, same as making a movie. Anybody who can make a living in these industries, I doff my toupe to them!

I think there's some comic book properties out there that I'd go and pay money to see as movies:
SKREEMER - Godfather meets Bladerunner.
STRONTIUM DOG - spaghetti sc-fi western.
THE CREEPER: insane Joker type alter-ego of TV chat show host. Sign up Craig Ferguson now!
HALO JONES: Alan Moore's Angelina Jolie feminist heroine vehicle.
DR & QUINCH: Alan's funny sci-fi lark about two anarchic rockabilly aliens. Best as a cgi animation I'd say.
ROGAN GOSH (KARMANAUT): colourful 'Bollywood Terminator'.
OMAC: Jack Kirby at his bizarre best!
DR STRANGE: Totally imaginative Steve Ditko psychedelic occult magick: Lost Horizons meets Aleister Crowley.
THOR: great Kirby fantasy norse Gods yarn. Already in pre-production with Kenneth Branagh directing. Looking forward to seeing "Ego the Living Planet"!
THE ULTIMATES: Mark Millar/Bryan Hitch's state of the art epic superhero saga.
CONAN: But must be designed by Barry Windsor-Smith!
ABC WARRIORS: future-war robots. Some great characters!
BAD COMPANY: Great lead hero in Kano. A weird 'PLATOON on another planet'.
ENTER THE DELETED: My new comic: Uploaded avatars trapped in treacherous 'Second Life' virtual world. Matrix meets Ocean's 11.
DOOM PATROL: Surreal fucked-up X-Men!

Crikey, there's so many, I'll be here all evening!
Anybody got any other suggestions?

Cheers,
Brendan McCarthy

comment #41

Don Murphy says ...

Brendan
How are you mate? Haven't heard from you in years...how is that animation you were working on?

comment #42

Dan Barrett says ...

Storymark, it's unfair to compare the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to Spice World. Just take a look at the Rotten Tomatoes figures.

LXG - 16%
Spice World - 28%

comment #43

MartinBlank says ...

"Jap Adapters," for the record, is a reference to a line in Mean Streets.

But since that film made less money than LXG and didn't have stupid explosions, it sucks.

comment #44

Gordon27 says ...

"He sold Watchmen rights to Larry Gordon in 1988, V for Vendetta to Silver in 1990, Constantine to Warners in 1994, FROM HELL to me in 1995 and League to me in 1997. He sold them and cashed the checks."

That doesn't make him a hypocrite. None of those movies were made until after 1997, and the first two that were made (the two you made) were so utterly horrible that he has, since then, refused to sell any of the rights that he does own, and has taken his name off of any movie project that he can. Apparently, changing your mind based on new information makes a person a hypocrite in Don Murphy's mind. Interesting.

On top of which, to suggest that Alan Moore was the person who sold Constantine merely because he was paid, as the creator, as part of the deal of selling the story seems pretty dishonest.

"Everything Alan Moore has ever done is an adaptation."

That's a pretty weak definition of adaptation. In order to believe that, one would have to completely ignore the character Constantine (oh, wait, he's an adaptation of Sting, right?), 'Top 10', 'Tomorrow Stories', 'Promethea', 'Bojeffries', 'A Small Killing', and 'Halo Jones', but would also have to subscribe to an extremely liberal definition of "adaptation" where a writer comes on board, throws out everything except the look of the character, completely re-writes their origin and powers and everything, and that that story becomes the story that every other writer afterwards writes based around (like 'Swamp Thing'). Or writing a fictional story based on facts (like 'From Hell'). Or where a person creates completely original characters who are pastiches of various literary devices ('Watchmen', 'Tom Strong') and then uses them to tell a completely original story. If 'Dark Knight' somehow qualifies as an original screenplay, despite the fact that it is almost entirely cribbed from a single comic book (I can't remember if it's Grant or O'Neil), then I don't see how Watchmen (the comic) counts as an adaptation.

Surely you realize that, if 'Watchmen' were actually an adaptation of Charlton comics (which was rejected as an idea before a single page of the script was written), Steve Ditko would have a creative interest, as the creator of The Question. Good luck finding a court which agrees with you on that.

However, I will say that your definition of adaptation is pretty consistent; 'Watchmen' has far more in common with the Carlton comics than the two Moore movies you did had in common with their source material, and you thought those were adaptations too.

comment #45

JapAdapters says ...

Murphy, I have a good life, no matter what stories you make up in your head to defend yourself from criticism, or "attacks" as you call them. Keep telling yourself people live in basements, are clerks, have worthless lives, etc. if that's what it takes to keep yourself going. Just know that it's just not so, and that educated, well-paid, film lovers think you make shitty movies. Personally, I would take that knowledge and try to make better ones, but your view of people clearly clouds your ability to deliver anything but dog shit.

I like how you say you got under my skin based on my response ... to your response. I guess I got under your skin first. Typical think skinned narcissist. See, I didn't call you names in my first post. I answered what you wrote line-by-line and said maybe you should do what you claim Moore does because he makes good work and you don't. I think you agree on the first point because you keep adapting his shit, and I think Moore agrees with my second point.

Btw, I know that Watchmen was based on the Charlton characters, who doesn't? I also know there's a big fucking difference between re-imagining a story and adapting one. Moore re-imagines literary heroes into his own world and wrote a great story. You took that great story and made dog shit. Good work.

My students may laugh behind my back (though they certainly don't laugh to my face) but they'd rob you, which is what they do to marks. Maybe if you spent some time with them, you'd see what life is really like and it would help you make a good movie, but I doubt it.

Still, I'm curious, what would make my life "matter"? Do I have to work in Hollywood? Do I have to make shitty movies? Do I have to be a guy who spews stereotypes about people on the internet then argues with the same people he clearly disdains? Do I have to pretend to be tough, when I know inside I would NEVER talk to the same people that way in real life. Lemme know, Don!

The handle is from Mean Streets. Why am I not surprised you didn't know that?

comment #46

Gordon27 says ...

BTW, regarding hypocrisy...

What is it when, out of one side of your mouth, you criticize somebody for not being informed enough just because he didn't watch every moment of the final product before criticizing it, and, out of the other side of the mouth, you insult people that you've never met and know nothing about? Smells like hypocrisy to me.

And then, when a hypocrite calls somebody else a hypocrite, and openly recognizes that hypocrisy is a bad thing... why, that's hypocritical too! Pretty funny, huh?

comment #47

Gordon27 says ...

"Do I have to pretend to be tough, when I know inside I would NEVER talk to the same people that way in real life."

Being fair to Don, he does talk like that to people in real life. That's why Tarantino slapped him like a bitch, and then Murphy, being an obvious tough guy, ran away and then sued him.

comment #48

arch451 says ...

I would like to know what Alan Moore thinks about Watchmen after he sees it.

I remember Anne Rice publicly denouncing the movie Interview with the Vampire before it came out, then she praised it after she saw it.

comment #49

mirkinthemystic says ...

Hallo Don,
Hope life is good in LA.
I'm in London for a while. It's bloody freezing here!
I'm writing and drawing a Dr Strange/Spider-Man mini-series for Marvel Comics. They got in touch as they want to build up Dr Strange for a possible movie - which I for one, would love to see.

That animation project stalled. Talked to Dreamworks, Fox etc, I'm sure you know the drill!

I'm contactable through my site www.swiminipurpose.co.uk
if you want to chat.

My regards to Susan. I was talking to Leigh a few weeks ago. Her little dog is a character in the Dr Strange comic.

I like this HE site. I'm a semi-regular reader. Mr Wells has a pretty good take on things.
Best,
Brendan

PS apologies to everyone on this board for the overuse of exclamation points! My poor little fingers get too excited!!!

comment #50

Rich S. says ...

It's all good Brendan. You're a comic book writer. Use of exclamation points comes with the territory!

comment #51

Big Black says ...

Devin (whom I like very much) and Don Murphy (rampaging asshole who hates the people he sells product to) may think that LOST GIRLS, WATCHMEN and LEAGUE are somehow examples of Moore being a hypocrite when it comes to adaptations, but both are wrong. Unlike you and your ilk, Mr. Murphy, Moore isn't selling his stories based upon the prior success or name-recognition of their original incarnations in any way. Note that Alan Moore has not titled his books either PETER PAN or ALICE IN WONDERLAND, nor DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE or THE WIZARD OF OZ, not even RORSCHACH & NITE-OWL TEAM-UP, or anything else that could remotely be considered trading in on title-recognition. He took the shades of these characters and made works that are indisputably new and original, of enviable quality and craft, highly intelligent, enjoyable, and even worth enjoying more than once to fully appreciate their layered structure. Something you will never ... aw, nevermind.

comment #52

DavidF says ...

On a related note - there is a screening in Toronto next week and I hear it's listed as 163 minutes. Is that possible? I dunno.

comment #53

Gordon27 says ...

David - from what I understand, Snyder was pushing for over three hours, so 163 is definitely possible.

comment #54

JapAdapters says ...

Gordan27,

It would be my distinct pleasure to have Don Murphy talk to me like that in person.

comment #55

Brent says ...

Murphy - No no. We commenters tell the truth. The truth is that you can't handle anyone telling you that you are wrong and not God's gift to movies. You have had enourmous success, but you will not be remembered.

Now back to the main point of the post: Moore's quote is essentially true, that brilliance comes with less money. The amount of money that a movie makes doesn't mean a damn thing to me or the rest of those who have a genuine love of film and story. When producers take a work of art, like From Hell or League of..., and dilute it so much that the original spirit is no longer there, then that is a travesty. There was a potential to turn these stories into something great. Instead, we got crap.

And, Murphy, do not tell me what Moore has said and not said in interviews. Just because he hates YOUR movie, then he must hate all of them? Please.

comment #56

Gordon27 says ...

"Now back to the main point of the post: Moore's quote is essentially true, that brilliance comes with less money."

I believe his point is that creativity comes with less money. I don't think brilliance enters into it, because, for instance, nobody (even Moore) would argue that Ed Wood was brilliant just because he had no money.

comment #57

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

there seems to be a direct correlation between "Threads Don Murphy Participates In" and "Large Amounts of Profanity and Name-Calling"

personally i had a truly awful time watching Transformers and LXG and apparently many of you all did, too....but come on, a few of you are just poking the bear because you know he'll oblige with a rant.

at this point, youre all just clinging to the bulletpoints (you think) you have and going back and forth and becoming far less interesting.

My point is, Don Murphy loves mixing it up with the common folk and some people on here get a rise out of getting a rise out of a Hollywood producer.

And one last thing.....Mr. Murphy's comment about "lots of people liking LXG" made me laugh so hard I almost vomited (I've been sick) because that is the only other movie besides The Village where I don't know a single person who even kinda-liked it. And I know a lot of people (yes fine, Don, not as many as you, I'll save you the trouble). Anyways, Don if you could give those fans a call I will meet with all 5 of them at once somewhere and be shown the error of my thought processes?

comment #58

storymark says ...

I want to give JapAdapters and Gordon a big ol' High-Five for the way they shut down the blowhard. Bravo.

comment #59

Gordon27 says ...

Scott - I think you're being unfair; I know quite a few people who had nice things to say about 'The Village'. I have literally never met a person who had a single good thing to say about 'The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'.

And that includes Kevin O'Neill!

comment #60

Brent says ...

Hi Gordan - You're right. Less money does force one to be more inventive, and, sometimes, more original. The brilliance would come from the talent involved, of course.

comment #61

drturing says ...

Years from now when you're dead, Don Murphy, people will be reading Watchmen, and no one will give a fuck who produced the completely needless League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie adaptation. Pretty rich for you to take the creator to task, without whom you would've never had that movie in the first place. But I guess you're insinuating that you're a more creative individual than Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman (who says that LXG movie does in fact, suck). For what it's worth I liked Transformers for what it was. I.E. a live action remake of Team America.

comment #62

Don Murphy says ...

Martinblank I never said Mean Streets sucks so do not put words in my mouth,loser. You can't deal with facts, fine, but don't twist them.

Big Black Lost Girls is a direct reference to Peter Pan, a very famous one- so never mind indeed, you're stupid

Gordon27 I never ran away - again internet dicks think they know what happened. I had him handcuffed and loaded into a police vehicle. Then I ate my lunch at his restaurant. Learn facts before seeming idiotic.

Brent you are SO funny- the anonymous ferrets here do not even agree so how is that truth? And READ the article linked to dildo- he hates movies. The end.

MapScott fell better and I'll set the meeting- and you'll donate $1000 to charity when it happens- you stand beside your internet dick comments, right?

Gordon it is my pleasure to prove that you are full of shit- here is ONEILL- http://www.aintitcool.com/node/15621 so either apologize or go away you sad sack of shit

storymark I'm not shut down nor a blowhard- go change your tightwhities the streaks gross me out.

comment #63

JapAdapters says ...

Now referencing equals adapting? Fantastic. Please, you grotesque toad of a man, tell me again how I am in need of remedial English skills.

Was The Lost Boys an "adaption" of Peter Pan too? LOL! Not only are you a hack, a bully, a blow hard, and a douchebag ... you're fucking stupid as well.

comment #64

Don Murphy says ...

japadapters God you just can't keep a good moron down. Lost Girls includes WENDY DARLING from Peter Pan. It includes ALICE in Wonderland and DOROTHY of Oz. Of course it is an adaptation you ninny! When a stupid man like you calls me stupid it makes me happy. Keep it up, you keep losing!

comment #65

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

Thanks for your well-wishes, Don

But now it appears that you are making up facts, I never mentioned any money donation so why would I stick by that?? I'll be the first to admit I dont make very much money, and you are surely very rich Don so why don't you donate to charity anyways.

I am more than happy to sit down with the fans, but if the meeting is west coast youre going to have to either send me a plane ticket or wait for me to save up for one myself.

Because yeah, I do stand by my "dick" comments.

Do you stand by yours?

comment #66

Gordon27 says ...

"he hates movies. The end."

Somebody once said "Learn facts before seeming idiotic" to me, and, even though that man was a complete idiot in every measurable way, it was pretty accurate advice (he also said "You can't deal with facts, fine, but don't twist them").

So, I have to ask, having read the article in question, what, exactly, do you think Waters and Renoir made? Because I could've sworn those were movies that they directed, the things Moore says are brilliant. Then again, what do I know, I'm just one of those guys who is aware that 'League' was a piece of shit; obviously, you know better.

"again internet dicks think they know what happened."

I like when you get pedantic about details that have nothing to do with the point but ignore the actual point; my point stands that only a blowhard, a person who, as Jap said, acts tough while being a wuss, would dislike somebody, pick a fight with them, provoke them to hitting them, and then back off immediately and call the police and sue them for the assault. Way to act like a tough guy, you miserable piece of shit.

"it is my pleasure to prove that you are full of shit"

I stand by my statement 1000%. I have met Kevin O'Neill in person, signing copies of 'Black Dossier', and I'm sure I was not the only one who heard somebody ask him what he thought of the movie 'League' on that tour.

He's a really nice guy, though; he was doing sketches, so I said, "It's totally okay if you say no, but, if I asked you to draw Tom Sawyer for me, would you have anything in mind?" And he laughed at this (because he had already openly espoused how stupid the addition of Tom Sawyer was to another guy in line), thought for a few beats, and said, "I'm sorry, I really don't." So I got Captain Nemo instead.

It's funny for somebody so openly hostile to anybody on the Internet to post a link to aintitcool to prove their point, though; I will concede, you're pretty funny when you're stupid.

"Lost Girls is a direct reference to Peter Pan, a very famous one"

Again, focusing on one pedantic detail at the exclusion of the actual point. You just look dumber and dumber, Don. You should take a break from this site while anybody in the world still respects you...

Oh, right, I forgot who I was talking to for a minute. Never mind that last part about anybody respecting you.

The sad thing is, everybody here is giving you loads of ways that you could easily improve the movies that you make, and you're attacking and insulting everybody for even trying. It's no wonder you've never produced a good movie.

comment #67

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

And for what its worth, if Alan Moore is calling the ouerve of Cocteau and Waters "briliant," he must at least watch movies on dvd if he doesn't actually go to the theater (oh my god I can not imagine living such a life)

I am going to venture a guess (pure speculation) that he snuck a dvd rental of LXG but still maintains he hasn't seen it so as not to ruin his street cred. I am not calling him a sellout, just a victim of human curiousity.

But really his remarks do kinda smack of someone trying to be "edgy" and "provocative" now that he has a temporary soapbox since the time around Watchmen's release is one of the only times that the general public (and not the specific core audience) really cares what he has to say.

comment #68

Gordon27 says ...

"Lost Girls includes WENDY DARLING from Peter Pan. It includes ALICE in Wonderland and DOROTHY of Oz. Of course it is an adaptation you ninny!"

Um, Don, you can't adapt a character, you adapt a story. That's why 'Milk' is up for Best *Original* Screenplay despite being a real character (although how they ignored how much it's based on a pre-existing documentary is a question for the ages).

What you're talking about is commonly referred to as "meta-fiction", though that term has become somewhat misused over time.

comment #69

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

ohhhhh and it looks like gordon beats me to the punch on my first point by a mere 2 minutes.....damn you, sir!!!!! I was really kinda wondering why nobody pointed that out beforehand? Did I just miss it because when it turns into a barrage of insults from one stranger to another and becomes "your movies suck" "your wife is ugly" "your wife is blind" "you got beat up by QT" "inner-city students hate you" thats when I stop "reading" and begin "skimming."

comment #70

JapAdapters says ...

Jesus, you're a sad person. How is writing a story with three characters from three different books an adaption? What is he adapting?

Call me stupid all day, but that doesn't change the definition of what an adaption is. Alan Moore writes stories and YOU adapt them into shitty movies. Alan Moore takes other people's characters and creates his own universe. Are you really so dense as to not see the difference? I mean, really, how can it be an "adaption" of Peter Pan when Peter Pan isn't in the fucking story?

Yeah, you win, toad boy. Except it's only in the same universe where every story Alan Moore has written has been an adaption. Namely, your own pathetic and unoriginal little world. Go eat a cake.

I guess if we

comment #71

Gordon27 says ...

"he must at least watch movies on dvd if he doesn't actually go to the theater"

Scott - also, anybody who reads his work can confirm that there are all sorts of references to movies that he has seen, many of them positive. His next 'League' book includes numerous characters from various films.

"But really his remarks do kinda smack of someone trying to be "edgy" and "provocative" now that he has a temporary soapbox"

I don't entirely disagree but, being fair to Moore, he has consistently and steadfastly said this in every interview he's given to anybody in the past five or six years (or, at least, any interview where the question was posed).

comment #72

Gordon27 says ...

Scott - I only saw the two of us call that one out; to be fair, if I had taken the time to re-check the article, you would've beaten me, and I would've referred to the correct Jean.

comment #73

Gordon27 says ...

"I mean, really, how can it be an "adaption" of Peter Pan when Peter Pan isn't in the fucking story?"

That's not entirely accurate; I believe that there is one 8-page story with an unnamed character who is, essentially, Peter Pan. Of course, the most that a reasonable person could describe that sequence as is "parody", which is certainly not the same thing as adaptation either.

comment #74

JapAdapters says ...

Then I guess Astro City and Planetary are adaptions too.

comment #75

bliss81 says ...

you create something. u get a patent for. you then sell the rights to it. you then make money off of it. the buyer now has every right to take that product and do what they want with it. similar goes with with writing a book and then selling the exclusive rights to make it into a movie. moral rights (mutilation and distortion, false attribution) does not really exist in the U.S.

alan moore has a right to his opinion and notwithstanding writing one of the best novels of all time, i dont understand why he keeps on commenting on something he doesn't want to deal with beats me. in my experience, and you can go to your nearest comic book store for evidence, it wasn't until the news of a watchmen movie till the actual NOVEL started selling to non-comic bookies. if moore isn't getting royalties from the movie you'd think he's getting some through the selling of the book, no? and if not, he's getting his name out indirectly.

as hollywood is running out of some good ideas to make movies, comic book adaptations is all i have left to see besides the occasional 1 or 2 original screenplays a year.

Don keep making those movies cuz i'm always there to pay for them. at least your not the one behind video game movies like uwe.

comment #76

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

hahahaha, i wasn't going to be petty and mention the Cocteau/Renoir mistake but now that you bring it up, how could you be such a stupid brainless fucking mouth-breathing, ass-drooling moron who is HATED by inner-city children to make that fucking mistake. Your body should just shut down and rid us of your existence!!!!!

I AM of course TOTALLY KIDDING, I'm practicing my creative verbal bile so I can take a run at Don Murphy....so how did i do? Did I make you question the validity of your existence?? Was ass-drooling too much? Help a brother out

comment #77

Don Murphy says ...

Oh it is so hard when people (idiots) willfully misread

gordon
1- He hates movies. Present tense. Now. He may not have once. But he does now.
2-You remain an internet dick full of shit. STOP TALKING till you learn facts. I was standing there waiting for a table. That is not provocation.
3-You can stand by your statement all you want. There is a letter wherein Kevin called the film spectacular. You lost.
4- no one has given any film advice. Thanks tho.

scott

No I never claimed you were going to donate. But look you said there were not five fans. You offered to meet them. I'll present them to you. But why should I? Who the hell are you. Now, if you offered a donation to charity that would mean something. And of course, you won't have to pay it will you, since you believe you are right. Stand behind your words man!

comment #78

Gordon27 says ...

"it wasn't until the news of a watchmen movie till the actual NOVEL started selling to non-comic bookies"

That's not really true; you're talking about the only comic book to ever win a Hugo Award (big in sci-fi circles), and the only comic book to get on Time's list of "100 great novels of the last 100 years". While I certainly agree that it is selling more copies than ever right now, it has, since publication, been consistently in the top 5 graphic novels by sales, every single year.

"i dont understand why he keeps on commenting on something he doesn't want to deal with"

I'd say that's a can't win situation for him. People who don't like him will always say, "Why does he keep criticizing movies? Just shut up!" And then, if he refuses to answer the question, it becomes, "Man, whatta jerk, just answer the question!" And, if he refuses the interview entirely because he doesn't want to do anything to promote the upcoming movie, then he comes off as a total asshole.

For better or worse, from every interview I've read, Moore will answer every question anybody asks him, and will do so completely, no matter how long-winded the answer becomes, or how many side-tracks it takes to get to the end of it. And, of course, once people know that, it becomes an easy article to write while writing a bunch of pages promoting 'Watchmen'; "Angry bearded guy who looks homeless hates film on principle" -- that article writes itself.

comment #79

Gordon27 says ...

"He hates movies. Present tense. Now. He may not have once. But he does now."

going back to your original logic, changing his mind obviously makes him a hypocrite, but I still maintain, there is a fundamental obvious difference between hating Hollywood and hating movies. You may not see it, but, then, nobody ever (and, brother, I mean EVER) said you were a smart man.

"You remain an internet dick full of shit."

And you remain pedantic, obsessed with ignoring the point while arguing a trivial detail. Beyond which, if I'm going to take anybody's word for it, I'd rather accept the word of a witness who sent an E-mail to Harry Knowles, rather than you who, being personally involved, and still desperately trying to make at least one coherent point on here, can't be trusted to be objective.

"There is a letter wherein Kevin called the film spectacular."

Hey, I'm not saying he isn't a hypocrite who felt obligated to provide a nice quote. But, the fact remains, I have met Kevin O'Neill and seen him bash the film in public in front of a hundred witnesses. That is what I know. What I see you posting is an E-mail that Harry Knowles, arguably the #1 Hollywood shill on Internet, says is from Kevin O'Neill. I still have to trust my own eyes and ears. When O'Neill tours America again, presumably promoting 'Century' or maybe even 'Marshall Law', I'll try to get it on video, just so we can all laugh at how much you try to spin *that* one.

"no one has given any film advice"

I would say that virtually every person here has said in various ways that the reason that Moore hates Hollywood is specifically because of the movies you made, and many of them then offered specific things done in those movies which were bad decisions. But, don't worry, Hannah Schmitz, your secret is safe with me.

comment #80

Don Murphy says ...

gordon seriously, please make sense. HE HAS NEVER SEEN MY FILMS so that is not why he hates Hollywood, scrote.
LEAGUE was sued by a b filmmaker named Larry Cohen. In that lawsuit Cohen argued that Moore and Tom Rothman conspired to rip off some screenplay he wrote. Cohen made Moore go through a ten hour deposition. THIS was when he started to hate Hollywood.

Don't take my word for it, know-nothing- read the NY Times article he did attacking V.

comment #81

Doomofman says ...

Alan Moore is a bitter old man... He see's other people making money after he gave up the rights... He may have written some great graphic novels.. But honestly... I don't want to hear from him anymore... If he hates hollywood so much he should just shut the hell up and not comment on it and go back to his comics...

comment #82

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

actually Don I said there were ONLY five (technicality I know but there's been a lot of nit-picking in this thread) but we have us a situation since I would not trust you to be the one to present them because youre a powerful man who I am sure could snap his fingers and have five people willing to meet me and say, "Hi my name is _____ and I like, totally loved LXG (pulls cheat notes out of pocket) and here is why...." You know what might be fun, for us to stop people on the street and ask them if they saw it and liked it and see if we are able to find 5. Then if they say no they didnt like it you could verbally berate them and if they say yes they liked it then I could look at them like they're from Mars.

And as far as my validating my existence by donating to charity, well I have news for you, sir, in previous years I have donated both money and time to organizations and soup kitchens, but I have hit some hard times right now so the world will have to wait another year or two before I can help try to save it some more.

comment #83

bliss81 says ...

all i know is that hollywood can be messed up with all the legal battles that come up with making adaptations (e.g. watchmen).
i also know that it is producers like Don and directors like Snyder who actually try to get fan input and see what fans have to say.
in other words, hate the game but not the player b/c some players out there try to make a good film by reaching out to the fans like don.
moore has a bitter taste in his mouth b/c of some legal issues he came across. so i think he's hating the hollywood economic system more than anything. especially when he doesn't even see the films to begin with.

comment #84

Gordon27 says ...

"HE HAS NEVER SEEN MY FILMS so that is not why he hates Hollywood"

Is that the article where he says that the script-changes that were made to 'From Hell' and 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' were utterly moronic, or the one where he says that the producers ignored his entreaties to fix certain egregious plotholes in same?

Just curious. Drawing the distinction that you keep making, that he can't judge your work because he has never sat and watched the films from beginning to end, is disengenuous and missing the point. He has said that he has no intention of watching the movies *because* he read the scripts, and they were that bad.

By all means, keep telling yourself that he doesn't hate the two movies you made and, for that matter, keep telling yourself they were successful and that people like them.

But, seriously, just don't fuck up 'We3'.

comment #85

Gordon27 says ...

"He see's other people making money after he gave up the rights"

Doom - by all means, you're entitled to your opinion that Moore is bitter, and few would dispute that he's old (well, few on-line, anyway), but you're factually wrong. He continually waives all the money that he is legally entitled to get, and has it turned over entirely to the artists who worked on the books, and, in exchange, he removes his name when he can. If he wanted the money, he could easily take it.

"I don't want to hear from him anymore..."

Might I suggest going to one of the 99% of other threads on this board? (The ones that don't have anything to do with Alan Moore or Watchmen, I mean.) Probably the worst way to follow through on your desire not to hear from him is to read interviews with him.

comment #86

Don Murphy says ...

He never read the scripts. He didn't want to- give it up man.

comment #87

Gordon27 says ...

I give up, Don. If you're going to tell me that Alan Moore did not publicly badmouth the scripts to both films, and make specific references which were certainly true to the films in question, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe, if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd have a better view of reality, but I'm sure it's much more comfortable up there, where 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' is a movie that made a buttload of money and everybody loved except for a few specific malcontents on the Internet who probably didn't even see it.

I should point out, though, the one article that you even refer to is so poorly fact-checked that it gets Kevin O'Neill's name wrong, despite having apparently spoken with him to get a quote. That tells me that, whatever the full story is, you're not gonna get it from that article.

comment #88

Jarek Zabczynski says ...

People should be thanking Murphy and other filmmakers for having the balls to even attempt brining such stories to life. If it weren't for these filmmakers many people would never have even heard about the likes of Watchmen, LXG, or anything Frank Miller. Kiss their feet for bringing your stories to life and putting more money in your pocket.

comment #89

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

I'm sorry....Jarek is it?....how do these movies put money in my pocket?????

comment #90

Gordon27 says ...

"Kiss their feet for bringing your stories to life"

That's fine, but the point Moore always makes that responses like this seem to ignore is that, as the writer, he doesn't recognize his stories in the films that have been created. I mean, I know Don claims that he never watched them or read any of the scripts or anything, but, factually speaking, Moore has said (for instance) that changing Johnny Depp's character to an opium addict changes both the facts *and* the story significantly, and that 'V For Vendetta' obscured his original point with the changes it made.

I don't know whether I completely agree about 'V', but if he doesn't think the stories *were* brought to life, and doesn't see any inherent value in bringing the stories to life, why should he thank anybody for anything?

comment #91

bliss81 says ...

why should moore thank them?

well like i said earlier, many non comic book fans have never even heard of V or Watchmen. yes its hard to believe but its fukn true.
i showed some people the trailer to watchmen and now i have them reading the freakin book.
you can see hollywood also as a means for advertisement. hell, i haven't even bought the books of LOTRs and Chronicles of Narnia until AFTER the movies.
point is, its better to get someone like Don to produce a comic book movie than someone who doesn't even care about comics or the fans.
LXG i heard is a different story altogether as Moore didn't even pen in the complete story till after a movie was thought of. correct me if i'm wrong, but that is how i heard the story.

comment #92

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

ohhhhhh MOORE, et al, are the ones who should be doing the bow-down thing

yeeeeeah i dont see that happening

comment #93

bliss81 says ...

no one is saying they SHOULD. but it should be noted that they're getting GOOD publicity out of movies adapting their stories.

comment #94

Gordon27 says ...

"well like i said earlier, many non comic book fans have never even heard of V or Watchmen."

But, again, if the thing that they have heard of is inferior, and leads people to believe that the source material is similarly bad, why would that be a good thing?

I mean, sure, some people say "any publicity is good publicity," but most people who would say that have never been publicly accused of fucking a chicken, you know?

"LXG i heard is a different story altogether as Moore didn't even pen in the complete story till after a movie was thought of. correct me if i'm wrong"

You are wrong. There's two possible facts that you are confusing
1 - A lot of people, including Moore, were sued over the film 'League' because of alleged plagiarism. The evidence of the plagiarism was specious, and the biggest point that Larry Cohen brought up was that both his screenplay and the film's used Tom Sawyer and Dorian Gray (obviously, that had nothing to do with Moore).
2 - people frequently say that the reason the film bears such little resemblance to the movie is that the rights were bought some time around publication of the first or second issue, and the screenwriters put together a film script before the book had been fully published. I'll leave that one to Don to embellish, as I certainly don't know all the details on that one, but it is pretty common; the same thing happened with 'Wanted' and 'Kick-Ass', as far as I understand.

"its better to get someone like Don to produce a comic book movie than someone who doesn't even care about comicsor the fans"

I strongly disagree with that statement; giving Don the benefit of the doubt, sure, I'll say he loves comics (I don't see the fan-love, at all). I don't know that it's true, but, sure. Chris Nolan hates comic books. Murphy made two of the worst comic movies of all time, Nolan made two of the best.

So, again, while it's great to like comic books, that's not enough to make a movie worthwhile, or make a person worth thanking. Ed Wood apparently LOVED movies, but his passion doesn't makes his movies any good at all.

comment #95

MartinBlank says ...

Moore obviously doesn't buy into the logic that having your work adapted by Hollywood is the apotheosis of that work, the ultimate height a work of art can aspire to. As though all other works of art in other media are okay and all, but they're not really good until they're a movie.

Gordon27 has a point: there is a vast difference between hating Hollywood and hating the medium of film. Moore clearly doesn't hate movies. But if he'd wanted Watchmen or the others to be films, he would have written them as such.

As it is, LXG has become the new Howard the Duck insofar as fans of the comic have to add a "no, forget about the movie" disclaimer when recommending the comic. That Don Murphy continues to defend it vehemently instead of manning up and admitting it was a senseless clusterfuck, something even Lucas managed to do with Howard the Duck, is just comedy gold. All it would take is a humble admission that, yeah, we fucked that one up, they can't all be gems, and Murphy wouldn't look quite so clueless.

comment #96

bliss81 says ...

"But, again, if the thing that they have heard of is inferior, and leads people to believe that the source material is similarly bad, why would that be a good thing?"

which rarely happens. people tend to pick up books notwithstanding how the movies turn out. it is a well known fact that movies do not translate source materials identically. people aren't stupid and know that the books are a different experience. look at da vinci's code for example. the movie was shit but the book kept on selling.

point is, movies create an awareness of the comic books/novels.

imo, the bad press surrounding LXG is what did it in more so than the actual movie itself. LXG was an entertaining movie which i enjoyed.

an example of fan-love by don is how much he pushed for certain elements of transformers in a production that didn't really care about the source material. Don DID. which is why fans were able to hear Cullen as Optimus Prime. if that's not fan love then i don't know what is.

comment #97

Gordon27 says ...

"Gordon27 has a point: there is a vast difference between hating Hollywood and hating the medium of film."

Thank you. To take it one step further, he is consistent -- he also hates the equivalent of "Hollywood" as far as comic books go. I don't have handy quotes, but I know he has said that the US comic market, more and more dominated by Marvel, DC, and, to some extent, Image, had led to worse and worse product, and he wants nothing to do with them either. It's not specific to movies; he just wants to tell the stories that he wants to tell exactly the way he wants to tell them, and not have his name on anything that isn't that. Which doesn't seem like much to ask for.

comment #98

Gordon27 says ...

"which rarely happens. people tend to pick up books notwithstanding how the movies turn out."

Hold on -- you're arguing that it's more likely that somebody will say, "I didn't like that movie, hmmm, I want to read the book now" rather than "I didn't like that movie, I guess I won't bother reading the book"?

I'm not going to insult you intentionally, but I have to think you don't know much about people who read things -- and I say that largely because of your list of books you didn't buy until after you saw the movies, and your use of 'Da Vinci Code' as a book that wasn't tainted by a bad movie. 'Da Vinci Code' was a shit book before the shit movie, and a shit book after the shit movie.

"point is, movies create an awareness of the comic books/novels. "

Allowing for that debatable point, why should your subjective value system be accepted as objective fact? Which is to say, Moore clearly feels that his own name as a writer -- his brand, the only thing a writer has, really -- is tainted by his association with the films that he doesn't feel live up to the original writing. Therefore, he doesn't feel it's worth the trade-off of any awareness which might be created. Why not leave him be at that?

"LXG was an entertaining movie which i enjoyed. "

Again, I'm not going to insult you for this, but you must surely recognize that yours is the minority opinion.

"if that's not fan love then i don't know what is. "

I've got one: Making a good movie. Most of the fans I know complained that the movie had more than two hours of Shai LaBeouf and less than 15 minutes of giant robots fighting. I don't know if those figures are accurate, but it seems to me like the fans of 'Transformers' would've been interested in seeing more than a cameo by the Transformers.

comment #99

Gordon27 says ...

One follow-up point - it's all well and good to listen to the fans, and, sure, the decision to bring in Cullen was not a bad one (although I don't personally believe he's the Only Person who could play the part). But it's not just about listening to the fanbase blindly. Were you paying attention when the casting of Heath Ledger was announced? You have to sift through what fans say they want to figure out what they actually want.

comment #100

bliss81 says ...

"I've got one: Making a good movie. Most of the fans I know complained that the movie had more than two hours of Shai LaBeouf and less than 15 minutes of giant robots fighting. I don't know if those figures are accurate, but it seems to me like the fans of 'Transformers' would've been interested in seeing more than a cameo by the Transformers."

if don wasn't involved in the movie, all you would have seen was shia and no talking robots at all.
there is so much behind the scenes you don't know. don was one of the few who fought hard to give the fans a voice in the making of transformers.

comment #101

bliss81 says ...

i recall the screenwriter, Orci giving much praise to Don for his part in voicing out fan opinion.

"One follow-up point - it's all well and good to listen to the fans, and, sure, the decision to bring in Cullen was not a bad one (although I don't personally believe he's the Only Person who could play the part). But it's not just about listening to the fanbase blindly. Were you paying attention when the casting of Heath Ledger was announced? You have to sift through what fans say they want to figure out what they actually want."

exactly. and producers like don who spend their time to 'sift' through a lot of fan opinion on the internet only gives me more respect towards him.

comment #102

Gordon27 says ...

"don was one of the few who fought hard to give the fans a voice in the making of transformers."

All I'm saying is, I don't know anybody who was a fan of the Transformers who was a fan of that film. I'm sure there are people, but I don't know any of them. And I'm the perfect age group -- I don't know anybody who *wasn't* looking forward to that movie, until it, you know, came out.

"producers like don who spend their time to 'sift' through a lot of fan opinion on the internet"

The problem is, if you describe all on-line people who disagree with you as losers with no job who aren't worth listening to, you're simply not listening to the fans. You're listening to the people who kiss your ass. That's stupid. If Don came on here respectfully, even if he were defending 'League', it would be great. But he has never shown any interest at all in hearing anything that's wrong with any of his movies. How is a "creative" (ha!) person supposed to improve their craft without listening to negative feedback?

I just jumped back here because I remembered a Kurt Vonnegut line that seemed relevant; he tried to take his name off of 'Happy Birthday, Wanda June,' but, ultimately (I may not get this perfect, but the gyst is create), he had to concede that, as bad as the movie was, he was solely responsible for the thing that they were crediting him as having done, so he felt obligated to leave his name on it.

I always thought that was funny.

comment #103

MartinBlank says ...

I'm sorry, but the idea of someone "fighting hard" to cater to fans of a cartoon based on a line of toys would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. He sure didn't "fight hard" to cater to fans of Moore's work. That he went to the mat to make sure some guy from the Transformers cartoon also did a voice in the movie, but apparently wasn't bothered by things like inserting Tom Sawyer into League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or making Frederick Abberline an opium addict, speaks volumes about his priorities.

comment #104

Gordon27 says ...

"there is so much behind the scenes you don't know."

So you have access to otherwise unknown behind the scenes details... and are saying that you like the films of 'League' and 'Transformers'... and jumped into this thread to talk up how awesome Don Murphy is, even though you wouldn't know Murphy was even in the thread from the article itself...

Well, I'm enjoying talking to you too much to call you out on how suspicious that is, so I'll just say, please don't turn out to be the plant that you obviously could be based on that circumstancial evidence ;)

comment #105

bliss81 says ...

oh i wish i was a plant. i so do.
if i was, i wouldn't be here procrastinating while i should be studying for an exam i have tomorrow. :(

comment #106

GiveMeTheMapScott says ...

gordon i am going to counter slightly and say that I do know 2 people who were as hardcore about Transformers in their youth as me that enjoyed the movie, didnt love it mind you, but enjoyed it. I went with my brother, with whom countless childhood hours were spent watching, playing with, and drawing pictures of, Transformers (we were 5 and 7 when the REAL movie came out) and we took turns letting out Wells-esque sighs of pain and when we left the theater we were silent until we got back to the car and my first words were "You've got to be fucking kidding me!" to which my brother responded, "The happy memories of my childhood died a little tonight." Actually that second one sounds more like me so maybe its vice versa.

And on an unrelated note, if bliss is telling the truth I've already found 1 of the 5 LXG fans....if Don hasn't lost interest he will be thrilled. And BTW Don, I enjoyed the back-and-forth today, thank you. In a couple of years, who knows, maybe I'll come out to L.A. and have lunch with you and SIX lxg fans and then let you watch me write out a check to the American Cancer Society

comment #107

D.Z. says ...

Ray: Moore's unhappy about getting screwed out of royalties for prior Watchmen cash-ins.

Ponderer: I'm guessing DC's money was mostly advertising, while the actual product was all Moore.

Don: "-- He took a million dollars from Fox for League- he did not HAVE to do so
-- He claims that he never saw League so why does he get to comment on the merits of it? YOU can say what you want to- but he never saw it"

I'm guessing he read the script or heard about the final product from insiders on the set. As for the money, well, he probably took it after being told that the studio would respect his material.

"-- He has made over $3 million dollars on the increased sales of the Watchmen hardcover due to the film- he isn't returning that money"

Why should he? It's his work.

"--He sold the rights to Watchment in 1988
-- He attacked V for Vendetta back when it came out- after he had sold those rights"

He sold the rights on the basis that he believed no studio could adapt those works, anyway.

"The film made a lot of money theatrically and on video. Many people liked it. You did not see it. "

Actually, it did pretty horribly theatrically, and was only saved by international sales.

"He sold Watchmen rights to Larry Gordon in 1988, V for Vendetta to Silver in 1990, Constantine to Warners in 1994, FROM HELL to me in 1995 and League to me in 1997. He sold them and cashed the checks."

He generally sold them at times when there wasn't much of a market for comic book adaptations, other than Batman, Dick Tracy, and The Mask. So I'm assuming he figured no one would take them seriously.

"Sorry to say many many people like the film."

Not on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB they don't.

"And no, genius, he attacked the film without seeing it in serious detail in the Times."

But you're admitting he saw some of it.

"I'm not a hack thank you (no proof in evidence)"

Well, the Larry Clark connection comes off suspicious...

"God you just can't keep a good moron down. Lost Girls includes WENDY DARLING from Peter Pan. It includes ALICE in Wonderland and DOROTHY of Oz."

Well, you could argue Friday the 13th is basically Halloween with a different mask, too.

"gordon seriously, please make sense. HE HAS NEVER SEEN MY FILMS so that is not why he hates Hollywood, scrote. LEAGUE was sued by a b filmmaker named Larry Cohen. In that lawsuit Cohen argued that Moore and Tom Rothman conspired to rip off some screenplay he wrote. Cohen made Moore go through a ten hour deposition. THIS was when he started to hate Hollywood."

Wouldn't whoever screwed up the direction of the screenplay really be to blame in that case?

Deathtongue: "Right when I was starting to think Moore sounds like an idiot for not getting what an achievement it is that Snyder got that film in the can for $100M ($120M actually)"

I thought it was $160 million, not counting compensation to FOX.

"You don't know this, being a social retard, but WATCHMEN is actually an adaptation of all the old Charlton characters. He "adapted" them when DC decided (after they bought them) not to have them killed. Everything Alan Moore has ever done is an adaptation. So saying you hate adaptations IS being a hypocrite."

His adaptations are post-modern, though, while most Hollywood adaptations are dumbed-down or full of it.

mirkin: "Expensive movies like 2001, Blade Runner, Alien, the first Matrix, Clockwork Orange etc, are certainly equal to any comic book creation"

Those flicks you listed aren't "expensive", though, even by the standards of their times.

drturing: I thought TF was a remake of Pokemon myself.

Doomofman: "Alan Moore is a bitter old man... He see's other people making money after he gave up the rights..."

He sees other people making money off of bad films of his material.

Jarek: "People should be thanking Murphy and other filmmakers for having the balls to even attempt brining such stories to life."

If they were in it for the art, sure. But they're usually not, which is why even "A History of Violence" also sucks so much.

"If it weren't for these filmmakers many people would never have even heard about the likes of Watchmen, LXG, or anything Frank Miller. Kiss their feet for bringing your stories to life and putting more money in your pocket."

How the hell can you make money off LXG, if people are turned off by the adaptation?

bliss: "i showed some people the trailer to watchmen and now i have them reading the freakin book."

But the trailer doesn't really reflect the style of the book, and will thus disappoint them and possibly turn them off from reading anything else by him.

comment #108

Omegawrath says ...

Look, I like Alan Moore's stories and I buy his comics, but let's call a spade a fucking spade.

Moore is a fucking lunatic. And a RICH one at that. In order to preserve his "artistic integrity" he's bound to shit all over any Hollywood adaptation of anything he ever does, ever.

This is obvious when you read interviews with him. He's already calling Watchmen shit and the movie hasn't been released. LXG was different in some aspects but it was film and not the printed page. Plus, I've seen the interviews where he swears he's never seen the movie.

You guys can defend him all you want but he's not gonna come to your house and let you suck on his bearded nuts. He's a hypocrite and you can see it in his interviews after simply reading his stuff.

I dunno if it's an act or if he really believes what he says, but his ass has been kissed by both industries enough to completely detach him from reality.

Stop deifying him and let him be a weird fucking British drug-guy with a long beard.

comment #109

fattyhadaparty says ...

The problem I have with Alan Moore is that, while I generally agree with most of his comments, he still comes across as a cranky, old asshole. He also appears to be very cold in those pictures from the TOTAL FILM piece. He should really try wearing a few less rings on his fingers and a few more shirts with sleeves on his arms.

And speaking of that TOTAL FILM "interview", I really expected a bit more from someone with his literary reputation. What it amounted to was a series of rants and vapid generalizations about the film industry and U.S. foreign policy. You'd get just as much depth from watching the local news followed by an episode of Entertainment Tonight.

"Comics don't work as films." No, Alan, your comics don't work as films, especially when Don Murphy produces them. (Rather perplexing when you consider the class, wit and sophistication that comes through in all of his posts.) Moore also seems to think that film is incapable as a medium of producing any sucessful literary adaptations. I seem to remember Stanley Kubrick doing some decent work with PATHS OF GLORY, LOLITA, DR. STRANGELOVE, 2001, CLOCKWORK ORANGE, BARRY LYNDON and FULL METAL JACKET.

I wish Moore would take a page from his friend and colleague, Neil Gaiman. Here is a great writer of "comics" who branched out to become a novelist, as well as a screenwriter and (gasp!) producer. He still attends most of the major comic conventions and is never less than charming and gracious during his appearances.

What it amounts to, is that unlike Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore just doesn't have much tolerance for idiots; a sensible policy, really. Unfortunately, if you're going to see one of your properties adapted for the screen with some degree of integrity, you're going to be dealing with a lot of idiots. Which brings us to Don Murphy.

Don, don't you have anything better to do than hang around HOLLYWOOD ELSEWHERE and make juvenile insults? You need some kind of project to keep you busy. Here, I'll give you one. Why don't you write a letter to a Mr. Alan Moore. He is a British gentleman who lives in England and writes comics. I'm sure you've never read any of his work, but, believe it or not, you actually produced the film versions of both FROM HELL and THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. Unfortunately, you didn't do a very good job and Mr. Moore and many of his fans are upset with you. I think you should apologize to him in your letter.

Now I know this is going to be a difficult assignment for you. Judging from the content of some of your posts on this site, you don't seem to be able to express yourself in a very intelligent manner, and if you can't express yourself in an intelligent manner, Mr. Moore won't read your letter. You're probably going to need a dictionary and a thesaurus (look up what a "thesaurus" is in the dictionary). However, I am confident that when you are finished, you will have learned the value of writing in complete sentences. You might just make a new friend, as well. Go get 'em, Don!

comment #110

Mexigun says ...

Sounds to me like Moore is indeed a hipocrite for takin' the stash, blowin' the hash, and then bitching about everything.
I agree with Jarek and Bliss. If it wasn't for people like Don making these types of movies and doing what they love, then alot of us would have never heard of these comics. I liked LXG by the way, and so did a bunch of my clique.

Peace,
Mexigun

comment #111

Angelophile says ...

Gordon27, could you post the links to the "article where he says that the script-changes that were made to 'From Hell' and 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' were utterly moronic" and "the one where he says that the producers ignored his entreaties to fix certain egregious plotholes in same". Because I'm having trouble recalling either of them. Moore did state he'd read the V for Vendetta script, but wanted nothing to do with the movie. It sounds like you're a little... confused.

As far as I'm aware it was the other way round and Don Murphy asked Moore to be involved with From Hell and the League films and he refused and just wanted the money and nothing to do with the filmmaking process. He also refused to attend either premiere and has publicly claimed not to have seen either movie. Hrm.

Now, there is a good article here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=2347 which explains that Moore sold the rights to League for a movie deal six months before the comics were even published. I'd suggest that was the action of a man with a "show me the money" attitude, not someone who cared about whether their, as yet unpublished, work was handled sensitively.

It's funny to hear Moore complaining about movies and talking about the superiority of the originals with indignation. I imagine that the writers who he's stolen his most memorable characters from would feel even more indignation at seeing their creations twisted for the funny books. I'm sure H. Rider Haggard didn't want his creation turned into a drug addict, J.M. Barrie's creation involved in bestiality, Robert Louis Stevenson's into a rapist and others...

The big difference, of course, is that Moore had rights and he signed those contracts and took the money. Those other authors and their families don't have that choice. Moore's gone to lengths to ensure that.

comment #112

Balerion says ...

As others have said, Moore has not "taken" any "stash" for Watchmen, or V for Vendetta, as such. He's handed all the movie money over to other people.

comment #113

Angelophile says ...

"As others have said, Moore has not "taken" any "stash" for Watchmen, or V for Vendetta, as such. He's handed all the movie money over to other people."

Directly? Perhaps. (Although has anyone other than Moore stated that?) Indirectly, through increased sales of his works? Indupidably.

comment #114

frank_delsa says ...

Well, this thread is turning into a discussion into the merits or lackthereof of LXG the movie...As much as it is interesting, I'd say that Moore's head-scratching position on any (any, not just LXG) adaptation is more interesting.
He goes on quote (Devin's article) that almost nothing good can come from any adaptation.
Really , Alan? O.K., what about The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, A Clockwork Orange, 2001, The Big Sleep, or, to move ot more recent times, No Country for Old Men, The Silence of the Lambs (all Hollywood movies by the way)?
Oh, but they're not comic books, he might say...O.K., then...Ghost World, History of Violence, The Dark Knight, Road to Perdition, Batman Begins, Iron Man...
I mean,come on...And whle Don Murphy does come across as obnoxious, well his point on Moore's hypocrisy regarding the sales of Watchmen (which have gone thorugh the roof since the movie strted to be pubilcized) or even the interviews he accepts to give to Total Film or Empire (which are also happening becaase of watchmen the movie), well, it's a pretty interesting one in my book. He is indeed profiting, however indirectly, from the film. Which is perfectly O.K. with me. He should be profiting.
I'm not sure it should be O.K. with him, though, given his highly publicized opinion on the matter...

comment #115

Angelophile says ...

It's a valid point. The comment about adaptations never really working when you change the medium is an odd statement to make given Moore's proclivity for taking literary figures and shoving them into comicbooks. Moore's use of original works is certainly a lot less faithful than even the least faithful Hollywood adaptation.

comment #116

JapAdapters says ...

And seven )only three in the last 20 years) of the hundreds of adaptions doesn't qualify as "almost" why?

My guess is that is his stuff was being adapted by Coppola, Kubrick, and Howard Hawks he'd be happy, if not thrilled. Hell, I'd bet he'd be happy with Ted Demme or the Coen Brothers. If he sold his stuff over ten years ago and has stopped since it started hitting the screen, I don;t see how he doesn't have the right to bitch WHEN MAGAZINES ASK HIM ABOUT IT. Does anyone really think ALan Moore is calling EW to rant?

There's clearly a commentary on the current state of Hollywood in what Moore says and I happen to agree with him. I also don't think Alan Moore has to be a martyr (read: poor) in order to have that opinion. I think he has artistic integrity, which is what this post WAS about, and think anyone who thinks he's lucky people like Don Murphy are slaughtering his shit are idiots.

Aside from that, I give a fuck what Alan Moore thinks. I
just want him to write good stories, the same way I want Hollywood to make good movies. He does, Hollywood doesn't, and it has everything to do with the amount of money involved, because you can take more risks when there's no money involved. Just like you could take more risks with big budgets during the era that the GF movies, Apocalypse Now, 2001, and a Clockwork Orange were made.

comment #117

frank_delsa says ...

They were examples, not an exahustive list: If you want I can continue: the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the Bourne movies, Sam Raimi's take on Spiderman in the first two films, Guillermo Del Toro's take on Hellboy, Blade Runner...Hell, I saw a Stephen King's adaptation recently, 1408, and I personally think it's a little gem of a horror movie...I'm a Elmore Leonard devotee (as my screen name might show), and I think both Jackie Brown and Get Shorty captured, in their own way, the world of Leonard to perfection.
My point is not that there are no bad adaptations, or bad Hollywood movies, of course there are, my point is to paint everything with a broad stroke always brings you to gross generalizations.
Someone above mentioned Neil Gaiman...I'll mention him again...Someone should mention him to Moore.

comment #118

Don Murphy says ...

This whole discourse with anonymous plebes is not really working out, yet I keep going. Loser me indeed.

You are correct angelophile- people with no worth in life like Japadapters and Gordon make up quotes that don't exist and THEN use them to bolster losing arguments. Alan never wanted anything to do with either of my films he just wanted the money. He certainly never gave any fucking notes.

Even when there is an actual quote, even they are suspect. In the Totalfilm nonsense he says that Connerys contract required bigger explosions. Besides being laughably untrue, it doesn't even sound like something Alan would say. Yet there it is an actual quote.

For people with no one to love them like japadapters the internet is one big Wikipedia joke- if there is a quote it must be true.

Sucks to be them.

comment #119

Angelophile says ...

"My guess is that is his stuff was being adapted by Coppola, Kubrick, and Howard Hawks he'd be happy, if not thrilled"

You know what? I don't think he would. He's not talking about some adaptations, he's making sweeping statements about all adaptations. Hell, there's plenty of adaptations in recent years that have been critically acclaimed, including his own works, like V for Vendetta and great word of mouth on Watchmen. Hell, even LXG seems to have been generally enjoyed by cinema goers, if not critics.

He's ranting against the Hollywood system and actually going out of his way to do so, pushing himself into the limelight so he can make some trite generalisations about politics and the Hollywood system. He got his fingers burned because he had to do a deposition for LXG and it would be understandable if he were cranky at the time, but it's got to the point now where the only conclusion I can reach is that he waits for a studio to make an adaptation and then creates a hullaballoo, claiming the movie will never be as good as the original. And then, hey, sales of the original go up.

I can't decide whether Moore's obsessively cranky or an opportunist. Probably both.

comment #120

SpringheelJack says ...

Since Alan Moore's comments got published I've seen them thrown around the internet, sometime treated with gospel, sometimes as rubbish.

But here's the point. With From Hell and LXG, Don Murphy asked Alan Moore to be involved. Which he didn't have to do; Mr Murphy begged him, in fact, to the point where AM asked Mr Murphy to not contact him any more. That shows a little bit of respect towards the man himself and the creative force behind the comics than you generally get in Hollywood to start with.

That's an awesome, kind and wonderfully human thing to do for an adaptation of a creative work. Look how, he was willing to engage the fan community of Transformers? Give them access to himself, Brian Golder and Roberto Orci. If you're happy to engage an enormous fan base, then clearly you'd be the sort to engage the original owner of a work you just bought. There is no doubting Mr Murphy's generosity towards Alan Moore in offering to put him at the heart of both projects.

AM was given every chance to be involved. He didn't want to be, took the money, then comes back years later saying "I was robbed and these projects have no artistic credibility and aren't needed in the world!"

Now, with LXG, it's more complicated. Mr Murphy didn't buy the rights to the comic - he bought the movie rights to the treatment, before the comic was published. So how can anyone criticise LXG for being a piss-poor adaptation comic book movie, let alone the man who sold the rights to Hollywood?

Alan Moore knew what rights he sold. LXG was not, by any stretch or means an adaptation of of the comic, because it didn't exist when Mr Murphy published it. He bought the rights to the idea, and when AM refused to be involved, it went it's own way, made a load of money. But effectively it became a separate entity from day one. AM still made a ton of cash. Is he putting that money towards solving Haiti's problems, or keeping it for himself?

Now also bear in mind - if AM wasn't involved, how does he know the conditions of Sean Connery's contract? Every little perk in it? If that was true, someone should've been sued by now because contracts are confidential and private between those parties who sign up.

comment #121

JapAdapters says ...

Frank, I know there are good adaptions (and speaking of Dutch: I think Out of Sight the movie was WAY better than the book), but there are plenty of horrible ones too. I think the point is you can have good adaptions when the people adapting the material are talented, which is the case in all the ones you listed. I don't know about you, but when I read what Alan Moore said When it's Don Murphy, you get crap.

And speaking of Donny Douchebag: No, Murphy, it sucks to be you like it sucks to be one of your movies. Name one quote I've run out that I made up. You can't, because you're as empty as the dog shit you produce. Keep of blustering, though, you vile troll. You look real good lobbing insults at people in hopes they'll hit the mark, but it doesn't always work. See, even though you think the people who see your movies are poor plebes who live in their mom's basement, the world (read: NOT Hollywood) is filled with all kinds of people, who live perfectly fulfilled lives that have nothing to do the universe you live in. Clearly, you're the one who feels deep down inside that you're life is worthless, because you keep talking about other people's lives. Your elitism is telling, Don, and so is the fact that you react to criticism like a spoiled fat kid who's just had his cake taken away.

As for being anonymous, if I ever see you (coming to WonderCon this year?) I'll walk up and introduce myself, and my wife.

comment #122

SpringheelJack says ...

"No, Murphy, it sucks to be you like it sucks to be one of your movies."

His movies have made, collectively, over a billion dollars at the box office. Regardless of whether you find them hollow or not, people have and continue to enjoy them.

comment #123

andycap says ...

Adaptations are a hard line to walk. You want to be true to the source material and but cannot. LXG is a good example of walking a fine line and pulling things off blissfully. Maybe Moore wants his movies to be more like tank Girl, that will then surely get him Stan Lee money.

comment #124

FrenzimusPrime says ...

Moore's point is pretty simplistic.

Just because some adaptations have sucked, doesn't mean everything has, or will.

Should Hollywood just stop doing them completely?

No.

Why?

1) Because no matter how 'bread and butter' some of these movies have become, somebody out there will enjoy it. It also gives somebody a job.

2) Maybe the final result is a departure from the orignal material, but no one sets out to make a shit film (except maybe Uwe Boll). There has to be a germ of sympathy/affection for the original stuff for anything to get off the starting line.

So, yes there are some hacks and bean counters around but to say everyone's a **** is ridiculous.

comment #125

JapAdapters says ...

And I'm sure he pays you well, SpringheelJack. Good for the both of you. Seriously.

You know who made a gazillion dollars? The Spice Girls, and they sucked too. (Though to Murphy's credit, NBK is a masterpiece ... hey, Don, why did you stop working with good directors?).

Anyway, I don't get your point, and you clearly don't get Moore's point. Nobody is saying that Murphy doesn't have money, we're saying his movies suck, and that he's artistically bankrupt. I think we all know that movies are a place where art and commerce intersect and that Don Murphy has hit it big on the latter. That we're even talking about this in this thread is a result of your boss having his feelings hurt when anyone questions him on the former, so maybe all that money doesn't keep him warm at night. I don't know.

What I do know is that people who fly off the handle on the internet and attack people personally are pretty pathetic. So are successful people who call people "plebes" and "clerks," and suggest that people who dare criticize them live in basements.

comment #126

andycap says ...

Re:comment #123 it was From hell not LXG

comment #127

Don Murphy says ...

japadapters I would challenge you to a battle of wits loser but I don't fight unarmed people

MAN WITH NO FRIENDS WROTE
Frank, I know there are good adaptions (and speaking of Dutch: I think Out of Sight the movie was WAY better than the book), but there are plenty of horrible ones too. I think the point is you can have good adaptions when the people adapting the material are talented, which is the case in all the ones you listed. I don't know about you, but when I read what Alan Moore said When it's Don Murphy, you get crap.please show us where Alan Moore said this about me. And when you can't find this quote because it never fucking happened I will invite you to shut your uneducated mouth and kiss my Irish ass

And speaking of Donny Douchebag gotta love JA he calls people names while staying an anonymous internet coward - LOSER! : No, Murphy, it sucks to be you like it sucks to be one of your movies. Name one quote I've run out that I made up. You can't, actually I just did see above because you're as empty as the dog shit you produce. Keep of blustering, though, you vile troll. You look real good lobbing insults at people in hopes they'll hit the mark, but it doesn't always work. See, even though you think the people who see your movies are poor plebes who live in their mom's basement, NOT TRUE Learn to Read Loser- I think you are and I think a handful of the people here in - in your case I have full evidence that you are a worthless human crudstain the world (read: NOT Hollywood) is filled with all kinds of people, who live perfectly fulfilled lives that have nothing to do the universe you live in. You are so fulfilled you came here, attacked me when I said NOTHING to you (go see the beginning of this) continue to try to convince me that "I do have a fulfilled life" when in actually it is Noodles and Pasta for you and your aged dog every night Clearly, you're the one who feels deep down inside that you're life is worthless, my life is fine thanks. Now go teach some inner city kids the correct use of "you're" and "your." because you keep talking about other people's lives. Your elitism is telling, Don, and so is the fact that you react to criticism like a spoiled fat kid who's just had his cake taken away. What criticism you worthless loser? I made a point, perfectly backed up, that Moore was a hypocrite. I didn't even know that there were OTHER articles proving my point on teh nets. You showed up in the hopes of battling your betters and made it personal with me, when in fact YOUR LIFE IS SHIT

As for being anonymous, if I ever see you (coming to WonderCon this year?) I'll walk up and introduce myself, and my wife. please do so I can express my sympathy to her (most actors charge by the hour tho)

comment #128

SpringheelJack says ...

LXG can't be included in Moore's argument. If it's film script based on the treatment, sold before the comic was written, it becomes a separate entity in it's own right. Alan Moore bolstered this by refusing to be involved.

So if he later complains it's a bad adaptation of the comic book, for *whatever* reason, that's wrong.

comment #129

Don Murphy says ...

The Sad Sack of Shit known as JAPADAPTERS
Just called Larry Clark, Bryan Singer, the Hughes Brothers and others bad directors.

Lady and germs, I rest my case about this fucking PLEBE.

comment #130

megs says ...

Alan Moore comes off like a complete hypocrite and ass in the article. Where was his artistic integrity when he wash cashing the checks? What a joke.

comment #131

SpringheelJack says ...

Here's another thought.

"The more money that's involved in a project the less imagination there will be in the project, and vice versa."

Yes, Hollywood can work by committee at times - simply because there are a lot of people giving the studio the money to make a movie. It can stifle a movies' development. There's no denying we haven't seen that in the past. The Avengers springs to mind.

But by that logic, films like Lord of the Rings (an adaptation, natch) lack imagination. Simply because of the budget. There are plenty of high-budget movies which have made a LOT of cash and been critically acclaimed and loved.

That's a generalisation that just doesn't work.

comment #132

JapAdapters says ...

Murphy, I commented on a comment you made on a public message board. What are you even talking about? Talk about hypocrisy.

And notice, I never said WHEN you stopped working with good directors, though I did mention the last time I think you made a good movie. Keep putting words in people's mouths.

And, Don, that wasn't a quote from Alan Moore (notice the lack of quotation marks), it was a typo and it was in a post AFTER you said I was misquoting things. Nice try.

Again with the insulting my life? You really ought to get that personality disorder treated, you thin-skinned narcissist. You come to public discussions, express opinions, and then act like a crazy person when people express opinions about you.

Yes, I express opinions on this message board, so do you, you fucking raging hard on of a hypocrite. Everything you write is full of hypocrisy. You hold others to standards you don't hold yourself to, you lie, you bully, you change what people write to for your agenda. Basically, you could teach an Internet Troll 101 course.

I don't pay my wife and I don't pay my friends. You'd get neither pussy (or ass) or have any friends if you didn't have money. You're own mother is embarrassed by you, admit it.

comment #133

Don Murphy says ...

Ladies and Gentemen, the insanity of Japadapters.

Man up and ID yourself then we can tallk little girl.

comment #134

SpringheelJack says ...

"And I'm sure he pays you well, SpringheelJack."

I wish he did.

comment #135

JapAdapters says ...

LOL. Where's the insanity, Don?

I'm insane like my screen name is a "1940s racist handle," I guess. Here's what happened here: YOU got your panties in a bunch because I dared to suggest that you don't do good work, and went off like the foaming-at-the-mouth crazy person you are. See, you can't have discussions so you insult. Then you can't take insults. That's a bully.

Here's a tip for you: Any time you're in a discussion with someone YOU are the insane one and it's obvious to everybody. Really.

comment #136

SpringheelJack says ...

"What I do know is that people who fly off the handle on the internet and attack people personally are pretty pathetic."

So why not just say, "Mr Murphy, I disapprove of your tone". Surely all your personal attacks in response make you just as bad? Two wrongs and all that?

comment #137

JapAdapters says ...

SJ,

Sorry for that then. I guess you and I just have different perspectives on things.

For instance, I would argue that all the "imagination" in the LOTRs movies came from the source material and that the movies, while technically excellent and beautiful to look at, were drained of much of what made the books' so good. To each his own.

comment #138

JapAdapters says ...

SJ,

You're probably right.

comment #139

Don Murphy says ...

JA- I found a foto of you

www.ratemypoo.com

comment #140

SpringheelJack says ...

"Sorry for that then. I guess you and I just have different perspectives on things."

Now that's important point. Everything is subjective, including art, and forms of art designed to make money.

You may find Mr Murphy's movies hollow, but as I said before some people love them. For some, they are okay. For others they are the product of the vile Hollywood machine. For others, they are entertaining, nay, brilliant pieces of escapism. Why do we allow people to be, say, totally subjective with paintings, but not movies?

Here's where I stand:I love NBK. Apt Pupil I've not seen. From Hell, depends on what "head" I have on. LXG - just doesn't work for me. Transformers, I love. Shoot 'Em Up, what a load of fun that is! Transformers 2 looks awesome.

Comic book adaptations are not pitched in Hollywood as celluloid Hamlets, nor does anyone who produces a movie want the final product to be bad. Deliberately making a bad movie would mean loosing money. That would mean being poor, penniless and being laughed out of Hollywood to go flip burgers for the rest of your life.

Alan Moore is allowed to have his opinion, that's free speech. He's even allowed to be a hypocrite and cash the cheques, that's free society. If you want to discuss the validity of adaptations and their integrity, go ahead, that's free will.

But it doesn't mean you can just make a sweeping, damning generalisation and believe it's a one size fits all policy when there's plenty of rational evidence to argue the contrary. Note I said argue, not prove.

The truth has three sides - their side, your side and what happened. Mr Murphy's version of events has never waived, never deviated, while Alan Moore's has got just increasingly bizarre.

comment #141

SpringheelJack says ...

Here's an example of how much My Murphy wanted Alan Moore involved:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?s=bbaf9314900f29c411ab179df030e534&p=1807123&postcount=115

comment #142

JapAdapters says ...

That's a good one, Don. Btw, how do you know about that site?

comment #143

JapAdapters says ...

Fair enough, ShJ, but I disagree with this: "Deliberately making a bad movie would mean loosing money."

We're back to opinions being subjective here, but I do think pandering to the lowest common denominator doesn't mean you'll lose money. I also think this is what Hollywood does now, maybe more than ever, and I think -- going back to Moore and Wells' original point -- has everything to do with the amount of money at stake.

comment #144

JapAdapters says ...

Oh, forget I asked, Don. You were looking for scripts.

comment #145

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Jesus Christ. I'm offline for a day and I come back to this?

Worst. Thread. Ever.

But kinda fun in a sick way.

"Mr Murphy's version of events has never waived, never deviated"

I find that somewhat hard to believe as he has personally "waived" and "deviated" about 800 times during just the course of this thread.

A fun game to play here is "spot the people Don Murphy possibly pays to defend him online"...I'm drafting SpringheelJack and bliss81.

Don, maybe if you spent more time "producing" these things and less time responding to the "dicks" here (I include myself in this group) or elsewhere online, you might actually make something worthwhile that doesn't embarrass the source material.

Give it a thought.

comment #146

SpringheelJack says ...

""Mr Murphy's version of events has never waived, never deviated"

I find that somewhat hard to believe as he has personally "waived" and "deviated" about 800 times during just the course of this thread."

Well, dig out the comments Mr Murphy has made online, time and time again. Look at what's said here, then in the link I posted?

comment #147

SpringheelJack says ...

"Oh, forget I asked, Don. You were looking for scripts."

"Don, maybe if you spent more time "producing" these things and less time responding to the "dicks" here (I include myself in this group) or elsewhere online, you might actually make something worthwhile that doesn't embarrass the source material"

This is Angry Film's current status:

'What's going on film wise with me? WHILE SHE WAS OUT comes out on a deluxe dvd in April.

TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN premieres here June 26th. There is a lot of ILM work that is taking time and costing money but it's worth it for a film of this stature. Behind the scenes people are talking about a third film already. As always, everything an audience will like is in there, courtesy of Michael Bay.

SPLICE starring Adrien Brody is scheduled to come out in early September after a likely unspooling at the Toronto Film Festival. The monster in this is fucking awesome. I've always felt that the writer director of this, Vincenzo Natali was a young Spielberg and he has rewarded our faith in him [and exec produced by Guillermo del Toro].

In upcoming news, TORSO [to be directed by David Fincher] as you saw needs a new company to finance it but we still have great actors and a great script and the best director working on it and several companies that want to step in and finance it. Congratulations to John Stevenson, who is attached to WE 3, for his KUNG FU PANDA Oscar nomination. This too is ready to go and we are figuring out how to make it."

Plus a couple of other movies in the pipeline with no details yet. Decent directors, quality production talent - most are Oscar-worthy or winners. And they are working now with Angry Films.

comment #148

D.Z. says ...

frank: Cronenberg eviscerated the AHOV book. You're just glad, because he did it V for Vendetta style, instead of LXG style. But a hack is a hack.

Jack: Actually, LXG didn't make money, outside of international sales. And even then, it probably cost too much. So I imagine Watchmen's going to really be bleeding cash for the studio.

comment #149

SpringheelJack says ...

"Jack: Actually, LXG didn't make money, outside of international sales. And even then, it probably cost too much."

Hollywood does add domestic and international box office takings together:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=leagueofextraordinarygentlemen.htm

comment #150

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Thank you for that press release, SJ.

Directed by a "young Spielberg" with "fucking awesome" monsters...that is some objective journalism, there.

"As always, everything an audience will like is in there, courtesy of Michael Bay."

So he is leaving the project for another filmmaker, then?

Fincher should run if he knows what's good for him...

comment #151

SpringheelJack says ...

"Thank you for that press release, SJ."

I'm reproducing information freely available on the internet. And if it *was* a press release, as defined by yourself, then you can't criticise thus:

"Directed by a "young Spielberg" with "fucking awesome" monsters...that is some objective journalism, there," because:

"A press release is different from a news article. A news article is a compilation of facts developed by journalists published in the news media, whereas a press release is designed to be sent to journalists in order to encourage them to develop articles on a subject. A press release is *generally biased towards the objectives of the author*. A press release is written in order to highlight an important event, program, or piece of information by an organization that succinctly describes the who, what, where, when, why and how of the story."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_release

comment #152

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

comment #153

SpringheelJack says ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Good article. It's always marvellous to learn more about something fun.

comment #154

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

So... I've been lurking and reading... thought I would check this Murphy character. Japadapters, you are correct, he is nuthing more than a bully. Here's his site forum. http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=29437

Appears as though when you were able to match him word for word, he went crying to the other fucktards on his site. I thought I noticed several new names... what's a matter Don ya old fat bitch? Can't handle people on your own?

Ingest excriment and expire you syphillis infected cattle cunt!

Oh... oh... wait... lemme guess... you're gonna start a thread about me and have your idiots track me down so you can call me personnally!

Do the world a favor and spotaneously retroactive abort!

comment #155

JapAdapters says ...

I was wondering where the toadies came from.

Someone should define "hypocrite" for them, though.

comment #156

SpringheelJack says ...

"HedgeHog Supreme says ... 'So... I've been lurking and reading... thought I would check this Murphy character'."

Recently, an extra, was thrown off the set of TF2 for, allegedly, attempting to provoke Michael Bay. The same guy was known to Don Murphy, for many years, by the internet handle he used, Hedgehog, which makes them well-known to each other.

This guy now uses multiple new accounts to attack Mr Murphy discreetly. Which leads me to suspect, if you are the same person, your opening sentence isn't true.

Also you say: "Oh... oh... wait... lemme guess... you're gonna start a thread about me and have your idiots track me down so you can call me personnally!"

That seems to imply you know Mr Murphy's methods in responding to people who attack him. That leads me to suspect, if you are not the same person, you've done your research extremely fast.

comment #157

Doomofman says ...

@SpringheelJack....

but he's a dm.net stoooooooooggggeeeeee....

Haha... It's nice to see HH yearning for attention once more...

I wonder if he just follows every little thing Don does... Maybe he just wants to sex Don up...

comment #158

SpringheelJack says ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

comment #159

Don Murphy says ...

267 760 1486

illiterate Hedgehog aka Reginald Clinton Brown

". you're gonna start a thread about me and have your idiots track me down so you can call me personnally! "

They can call you at the number above, loser. But no one will. No one likes you.

comment #160

Electroshock says ...

Okay, a word of support for Don. Well, several actually.

I've been a member of Don's board since December of 2006. I've been reading his site longer. And I have to say that I have come to respect Don a lot. I've seen Don called a bully here. Bully? Isn't he doing what everyone else is doing here? He's posting blunt and honest. That's what we all do. Is his being a movie producer somehow limiting how he can post? How is he bullying? I've seen Don and his movies insulted. So you don't like LXG? You say that it bombed out? Okay then, you can think that I guess, even though Don clarified and stated that LXG didn't bomb out. And hey, let's not forget that Don and Tom DeSanto were the guys behind the live action Transformers series from the very start. One of the biggest successes of 2007 and looking to be the biggest success of 2009? Yeah, that'd be Don's work.

Now, on to the whole Alan Moore thing. Is he a creative genius? I'll say yes. Is he entitled to his opinion? Hell yes. Is his opinion invalid if he doesn't even see the movies he is commenting on? Well, yeah, actually. Is his opinion called into question for having a big grudge against Hollywood? Why, yes again. Does Alan Moore sound like a pretentious prick for saying movies can't compare to comics? What do you think?

Oh, and Hedgehog, AKA Reggie Brown, AKA Burger Boy, AKA who knows how many other alts you have developed since humiliating yourself since last summer, a word of advice: shut up.

Okay, so, did I get everything? Don's a good guy, Alan Moore can have his wrong opinion, shut up Reggie...yep, I think I'm good.

comment #161

JapAdapters says ...

SpringheelJack Author Profile Page says ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

Great, now apply it what I've written here. That's if you can remove your head from Don Murphy's ass long enough to do so.

Murphy, it would figure you'd have a website full of sycophants to stroke you off. I guess frequenting movie websites is okay if it's to lick your boots. I guess having an opinion is cool if the opinion is that you're a super guy who makes super movies. And who pays for his friends?

The nest time you catch a glimpse of your real self and the urge to shoot yourself overcomes you, go with it.

comment #162

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

Don Murphy Author Profile Page says ...

illiterate Hedgehog aka Reginald Clinton Brown

WRONG FUCKKO!!!!! I'm not the Hedgehog you morons have blasted for months. After reading the posts on your site it seemed appropriate to me that you would prefer to hurl your witty insults at someone with this name. I have read about your tirades on wikipedia, your flaming of Reginald Brown (Although, granted he was a fucktard of the highest order), and now here. I can say with total certainty that you, sir are a FUCKING IDIOT! Fight your own battles big man! Stop making threads belittling your stooges for not taking up your cause or moving at the apparent Don Murphy speed. I cite for you all now, one such thread (no longer present in the thread list ) where you, Mr. "I love my Stooges" Murphy, just flat out stated, "I HATE YOU ALL!" And then proceeded to single out specific stooges to say I love you to. FAG! Why the people on your site put up with it, I'll never know, you've threatened numerous times to shut it down, THEN DO IT! SHUT IT DOWN! I DARE YOU. Fact is, you won't, you need them, it makes you feel important. So you're a producer on big movies, BIG DEAL, in my book that means that you weren't nuthing more than an overpaid coffee boy. FETCH ME A COFFEE DOGGY.... FETCH!

Get a life you sad sack of crap! Oh, wait, you can't. You need the attention to live. Now go on, RESPOND WITH SOMETHING WITTY. I'LL WAIT.

comment #163

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Jesus, asking for "backup" from minions from your own site (some of which you lambast just as mercilessly as people on this site...at least you treat everyone equally shitty!) to help defend your "honor" on a post in cyberspace that is ultimately meaningless? You really do care what people think of you, don't you, Don Murphy?

Whoever compared his behavior to Hannah Schmitz's (about 90 or so posts back) really was dead-friggin-on.

Wutta dirtbag.

comment #164

SpringheelJack says ...

"Great, now apply it what I've written here. That's if you can remove your head from Don Murphy's ass long enough to do so."

Can you please tell me why you've attacked me personally:

"What I do know is that people who fly off the handle on the internet and attack people personally are pretty pathetic."

When, you've actually agreed with me, or agreed to disagree with me:

"Sorry for that then. I guess you and I just have different perspectives on things"?

comment #165

JapAdapters says ...

AJ, if saying that you have your head up Don Murphy's ass when you came to this site because he beckoned you is an "attack" then I guess I'm guilty. In other words, I "attacked" you because you're a toady for a person who attacked me.

And since you seem to be steeped in passive aggression, let's look at the facts: I disagreed with Don Murphy's ranting about Alan Moore, and Don Murphy attacked me. I attacked him back, and suddenly you show up asking me 'if two wrongs make a right' when I said punks like Don Murphy who deal with criticism on the internet by immediately attacking the poster and not the post are pretty pathetic. Why didn't you ask Don Murphy why he lashed out at me and everyone else here when they dared to not lick his boots? Well, I now believe it's because you're one of his internet boot lickers.

comment #166

frank_delsa says ...

D.Z. said:

"frank: Cronenberg eviscerated the AHOV book. You're just glad, because he did it V for Vendetta style, instead of LXG style. But a hack is a hack."

Cronenberg is a hack? Well....No.
On the matter, I think he actually went on record saying he didn't even know the script was based on a graphic novel. But I don't think that has much to do with anything (and certainly to how good a movie AHOV is).

comment #167

Jolin says ...

Well I can see a lot of people here think its cool to puff out their little chests and get in a producers face, what tough guys you are. I can say this, Don is a great guy, actually hes a genuine awsome guy, Don knows his shit and that odviously bothers people. and to those that say its pathedic when his "minions" come to support, fuck off! friends back each other even when they dont have to, and I can say Don is a good friend, and I'm proud to be his. So if you actually knew him and talked face to face you would all be singing a different song.

comment #168

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

No, I actually would be singing the same old song..."Transformers is 'pathedic.' "

You have to admit his behavior on this thread has been pretty immature, if not outright asinine.

comment #169

JapAdapters says ...

Hey, you Don Murphy people, Know this: JapAdapters is a great man. He's a man amongst men; the salt of the earth; salt amongst salt; the greatest friend that ever walked the face of the earth; he's kind to babies and kisses old women. All that shit and then some. You've never met a man like him because if you had, you'd be blind, such is the light that shines off of him.

Oh, shit. I forgot to change my screen name!

(Pssst, Jolin, your hero is the one who lashed out at people and apparently he makes a habit of it too. Deal with it.)

comment #170

Don Murphy says ...

japadapters you are the one with the pretend wife and the students who mock you behind your back. I tell it to your face and you just cannot deal. Sucks to be you.

Reg the pathetic Hedge You're a homophobe. Make sure SAG knows.

comment #171

darthsutius says ...

I've been visiting DM.net for about 5 ears now and I can't think of another Hollywood producer who's so honest and delightfully blunt. We need more men like Don in Hollywood who aren't afraid to put XXL Douchebags like Moore in his place.

Seriously, the guy wrote some good stuff once upon a time, but now he's just a tired old hack showing early signs of dementia.

comment #172

darthsutius says ...

And how come people worship Moore for saying such antagonistic crap and then get up in arms when Don tries to defend his works? He has every right to.

comment #173

darthsutius says ...

I loved LXG btw, and 300 was fantastic.

Can't see the Watchmen being any less fantastic at the moment.

comment #174

darthsutius says ...

LOL at SUPREME HEDGEHOG. Jesus Christ what an asshole.

comment #175

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

Murphy - Where's my coffee?

darthsutius - damn right! That's Mr. Asshole to you boy!

comment #176

megs says ...

"let's look at the facts: I disagreed with Don Murphy's ranting about Alan Moore, and Don Murphy attacked me."

According to you.

"Alan Moore is a hypocrite and a liar

-- He took a million dollars from Fox for League- he did not HAVE to do so
-- He claims that he never saw League so why does he get to comment on the merits of it? YOU can say what you want to- but he never saw it
-- He has made over $3 million dollars on the increased sales of the Watchmen hardcover due to the film- he isn't returning that money
--He sold the rights to Watchment in 1988
-- He attacked V for Vendetta back when it came out- after he had sold those rights

He is an old man who smokes too much hash and prays to a lizard god. Don't buy his bullshit."

Don doesn't seem to be attatcking anyone but Alan in his initial post. JapAdapters very next post in response

"-- What did he do with the millions he took?
-- Lucky for Alan Moore.
-- Why shouldn't Allan Moore make more money off the sales of the Watchmen? How does that cointradict one word he's said above?
-- If he sold the rights to Watchmen in 1988, then why is he making all this money now?
-- So someone can't attack a movie after they've sold the rights to it? And isn't VfV the reason Alan Moore no longer wants to have anything to do with Hollywood?

Maybe you should smoke some hash and pray to a lizard God, so you could do some good work."

So who attacked who first?

comment #177

JapAdapters says ...

That's not a personal attack, fuck head (see, "fuck head" IS a personal attack). A personal attack is "You're a fat fucking loser who can't make good movies." I'll give you that it was a criticism, but it was in response to his criticism of someone else. It was also my honest opinion.

See, Don Murphy is a public figure and he came to a public place and made a public comment criticizing another public figure. His response to my questions to what he posted and one snarky comment (or "attack" as you people see it, and apparently anything short of publicly felating Mr. Murphy) was to attack me PERSONALLY, to make comments about my LIFE. In other words, he attacked ME not my argument.

If Don Murphy is so think skinned as to not be able to handle criticism of his movies without attacking people he doesn't even know personally, then I would suggest he does what other public people do: keep off public message boards.

Now you can pass the brain you all share onto another stooge and send them over. I just hope you all know that when any of you talk, people can see Murphy's lips moving.

comment #178

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

And his lips are generally moving to fellatiate the next stooge who steps in to try to claim that LXG is actually "a very good movie."

God knows a lie like that deserves great head.

comment #179

Don Murphy says ...

Hey Arch Stanton/Japadapters

Your arguments continue to be as feeble as your life.

See, Don Murphy is a public figure and he came to a public place and made a public comment criticizing another public figure. His response to my questions to what he posted and one snarky comment (or "attack" as you people see it, and apparently anything short of publicly felating Mr. Murphy) was to attack me PERSONALLY, to make comments about my LIFE. In other words, he attacked ME not my argument.

If Don Murphy is so think skinnedwhat is THINK skinned as to not be able to handle criticism of his movies without attacking people he doesn't even know personally, then I would suggest he does what other public people do: keep off public message boards. where did you get the idea that I was a public figure? I'm not. Don't play lawyer little boy you will lose

Now you can pass the brain you all share onto another stooge and send them over. I just hope you all know that when any of you talk, people can see Murphy's lips moving.

It's sad- people come to put you in your place and you STILL don't see how stupis you look

comment #180

JapAdapters says ...

Don, correcting grammar on the internet is the final step to being a troll, good job. See, if you knew anything about writing you;d know that grammar and spelling errors are the least important part of writing. You really didn't know what I meant, you pedantic fuck? And, further, what does "stupis" mean? (No, don't answer, I figured it out.)

You're not a public figure on a movie message board? Then what are you? Oh, wait, I remember: a hack. Even if you aren't a public figure the truth is you cannot STAND to have anyone disagree with you, or think your movies aren't any good. That's why you created a web site for sycophants to suck up to you, that's why you insist anyone who you argue with on the internet (and, apparently, you do this all day every day) has no life, buys friends, is a loser, lives in a basement, is poor, etc. Btw, that must be what you think of the people on your own site, right?

People put me in my place? Hahahahahaha. Yeah, your "people," that you beckoned like the chicken shit you are. Come on, Don, you KNOW what I'm saying is true. You KNOW that inside your chest beats the heart of a coward. That's why you called all the people who lick your ass in hopes of getting jobs (like your wife) to come from one message board to another to take up for your cause.

You're a hypocrite, Don. You blast people for spending all day on movie web sites, then bask in the dim glow of people who do that very thing ... on a movie website you created.

comment #181

megs says ...

You are a first class Douche. Truly, you are.

comment #182

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=29437

Any questions?

comment #183

SpringheelJack says ...

"Murphy - Where's my coffee?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNJIjf70F2c

comment #184

SpringheelJack says ...

"Any questions?"

Yes, why are you denying you are *the* Hedgehog?

comment #185

JapAdapters says ...

Ha. Did I disrespect Don's wife by implying she's with him for financial gain? I knew that'd set you assholes off.

Hey, dip shits, he implied the same thing about my wife. More hypocrisy.

comment #186

herren says ...

JapAdapters, he said your wife was imaginary, since he actually doesn't know you. In short, he insulted something that isn't real. Don Murphy's wife is known to you, so your insult was pretty personal, where Don is just attacking an onscreen name. It is a big difference, even if you don't see it as one.

comment #187

JapAdapters says ...

No, I don't know Don's wife from Eve.

He said my wife would have to be an actor I paid by the hour, so I suggest any woman who would be with him would have to have financial motives as well..

Go back to the hive, and see if you guys can get your brain around that.

comment #188

herren says ...

I don't know Don's wife either, but I know Don has a wife. JapAdapters is still an onscreen name, whose realperson user could have 2 sons, 4 daughters, be an astronaut, live in a basement and feeding on small kittens only.
Insulting JapAdapters feeding habits, or his 3rd daughter has no meaning since JapAdapters is fictional name existing at the moment here on hollywood-elsewhere.com. Don's wife is not fictional and very real. I tend to keep those two worlds (fictional and non-fictional) separate, but that is just me.

comment #189

JapAdapters says ...

Right, and you also think the sun shines out of his ass.

Why are you talking about this like it's a football game? Don Murphy insulted me and implied my wife is a paid actor, so I reacted to it. That YOU don't know me or my wife doesn't mean I don't exist and have a reaction to those insults. How old are you guys anyway?

I didn't even know he was married, and didn't realize his wife really was a prostitute, but hey, lucky guess. Kinda like how Don throws blind punches saying people live in basements and are clerks and lands them on every third person who frequents his site.

comment #190

Don Murphy says ...

Arch Stanton

After what we have learned about you your bitterness is understandable. Nuff Said! I am outta here

comment #191

JapAdapters says ...

And the final move of the internet troll: begging off of the argument on false higher ground.

Yes, Don, go back to your circle jerk. Fucking pussy.

comment #192

herren says ...

Right, and you also think the sun shines out of his ass.
No, wrong assumption.

Why are you talking about this like it's a football game?
I don't watch football, so I wouldn't know anything about that.

Don Murphy insulted me and implied my wife is a paid actor, so I reacted to it. That YOU don't know me or my wife doesn't mean I don't exist and have a reaction to those insults.
Of course not, so its natural that you just insults back. Since you already know the person Don Murphy and you even know he has a wife, why, your insults are much more effective and much more personal then. Congratulation, you are able to be the bigger douchebag.

How old are you guys anyway?
Now you are getting too personal for my liking.

comment #193

JapAdapters says ...

The only thing I know about the "person" Don Murphy is is from how he acted here, and the two times I clicked a link to his site. I know the PRODUCER he is and think his movies suck. Now that he's shown the type of person he is, I think his movies are the best thing about him.

My insults are only more personal to a third party, like you. hence, you treating it like a football game, in which you have a rooting interest. I'm a bigger douchebag to you, because you love Don. he's a bigger douchebag to me because he launched into personal attacks about me and my life.

comment #194

Don Murphy says ...

Arch- you're still here?
Because it feels so empty without me!

Weird guy though- why not admit your many shortcomings and move on?

comment #195

Don Murphy says ...

Arch- How come your myspace doesn't mention a wife????? Oh right, it was a lie. How come no mention of inner city kids? Oh right, a lie. Arch- you're busted and full of shit.

comment #196

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

SpringheelJERK (AKA - garethparkerTF) And those from Don's site...

I'm only gonna say this once for the window licking, helmet wearing, short bus STOOGES. I am not *the* Hedgehog you all have flamed for months. . . oh I'm sure Reg lurks here and there and has probably read some of these posts. Hopefully he's laughing his ass off that another former "stooge" used his name to come here and point out Don Murphy's numerous personality flaws. I used the name to get a rise out of you all... SUCCESS! You all bit on the hook like good little fishys. However, seeing as how you are going to go back to Don's site and post how I really am Hedge pretending to not be Hedge, it doesn't really matter.

But, I'll give you a hint... I'm a long time poster on Don's site and a recently reformed "Stooge" who finally realized that Don is a crybaby and uses you to do his bidding all the while hurling insults at you all. Nice role model! Hedge was a fucking tool... I insulted him right along with you... but the guy was right about a few things... he was nuts, but sometimes right.

Maybe, to some, japadapters did attack first with the whole hash smoking comment... I thought it was more funny than a personal attack. Don's the one who got the personal insults flying first... matter of fact... isn't that what you flamed Reg for... starting the personal attacks... hmmmm.... japadapters is right, HYPOCRITES!

Shame on you.

comment #197

JapAdapters says ...

Don, wtf are you talking about with the Good the Bad and the Ugly reference? My My Space page? I don't have one.

Wait, are you hearing voices again?

I'm here for the same reason you're here (there's that hypocrisy again, Don: aren't you supposed to be important and I'm suppose to be insignificant?), to have it out. I guess you expected me to run off because of your demented rantings, but here I am. And I didn't even call my friends because I'm scared to stand alone. (I know, I know, they're imaginary like my wife is, and my job is, and my house is, and my children are, and the kids I work with are.)

comment #198

darthsutius says ...

Moore proved his idiot status when he claimed that civil unrest could be solved by throwing money at it...FFS what a douche.

This is why in some ways (for the sake of thier work) it's usually better for successful artists to either die in a plane crash, get assassinated, or kill themselves...they tend to go on to either make crappy films, record crappy albums or write bizarre shithouse books.

I don't really wish ill-harm on anyone, of course, but there is some truth to what I'm saying, isn't there? Why can't Moore just shut up and let the public decide?

If we like the movies, we'll no doubt go read the books. We might like them better. We might not. It's up to us to decide, not him.

And if it wasn't for the Watchmen movie being made, I would have never bothered to read the original.

comment #199

darthsutius says ...

Films and Comics are two veeeery different mediums, and while I think most people understand that, Moore clearly doesn't. And if he was that uncertain of how his pride and joy would look on film, he should NEVER have sold the rights to them.

That's what selling the rights means, after all - you're giving up your stake in what happens to your own creation.

Imagine if McDonald's started selling franchises to people, and then going online or on the news and mouthing off about how terrible the burgers are? It's just bad form and makes the guy look like a whingy hack.

comment #200

darthsutius says ...

Still laughing about the 'fake' Hedgehog.

He's either named after Reg, Ron Jeremy or Sonic the Blue Shitpiece.

None of those is a good thing.

comment #201

darthsutius says ...

You know what JapAdapters?

Sometimes Don DOES go overboard on the attacks. Sometimes he can be an ass. But that's WHY the STOOGES love him so much. He's honest, and he'll take on anyone who attacks him or any of the things he cares about. Hollywood would have a much better film industry if we had more producers like Don.

He won't play the usual bullshit PR games that Hollywood types do. He will tell you you're a douche bag, and tell you to go Die In A Fire. You won't get that sort of honesty from Spielberg or Bruckheimer.

Before you make another stab at him, just try and see things from his perspective. How would YOU feel if you spent a couple of years of your life working on something that you were passionate about, only to have it rubbished by the person who created it in the first place? Especially when you KNOW that the end result you had created was pretty damn good.

comment #202

darthsutius says ...

Choke on a hamburger Reg you little psycho fuck.

comment #203

darthsutius says ...

Seem to remember telling you not to let the door hit your ass on the way out of Don's board a few years back, at which point you disappeared for a week or so. Don defended you in front of everyone, and so apologised, and you came back.

I feel dirty for ever apologising to you. Should have trusted my instincts more.

comment #204

darthsutius says ...

Plus:

Learn how to preview posts if you're going to spend every waking second being a troll.

How does an out of work hobo get access to internet? Does your mum know what you post on her PC?

comment #205

darthsutius says ...

"YOU JUST LOST THE GAME!!"

I'll have to remember that gem of an arguement if I ever go into politics.

Pure genius, you truly are one of the best contemporary comedians in America.

*tips hat*

comment #206

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"Why can't Moore just shut up and let the public decide?"

Because people keep asking his opinion, and -- shock -- some might actually be curious about it because he wrote the material this film is based on. The public still is free to decide, just like you were free not to read this interview. Guess you couldn't help yourself.

He could also refuse to comment, but then he would probably come off as a smug asshole. In a lot of ways, it's really a lose-lose situation for him.

"That's what selling the rights means, after all - you're giving up your stake in what happens to your own creation."

This is true, but selling the rights to your material doesn't mean your giving up the rights to your opinion of the adaptation-- even if you consider that opinion an unreasonable complaint.

And if it wasn't for the Watchmen movie being made, I would have never bothered to read the original.

You sound like a real "fan" of comics...

Did you start reading Sin City in 2005?

comment #207

JapAdapters says ...

How would I feel about it? Look at it from his perspective? Are you joking? Please tell me he pays you to squire for him.

You do know that criticism is part of every art form, right? If you're going to make movies and get your panties in a twist when someone criticizes them, the DON'T GO ON THE FUCKING INTERNET. Better yet, spend those two years of your life making something worthwhile. Remove your taste from your ass. Stop taking good stories and butchering them. Etc.

You think Don Murphy's the only asshole producer in Hollywood? Did he serve you that Kool Aid? Ever here of (for one) Harvey Weinstein? And he's actually made several great movies.

Who's this Ian Brown fucktard?

comment #208

darthsutius says ...

Constructive criticism is fine. Insults are not constructive in any way shape or form.

comment #209

Zero says ...

Criticism is fine as long we're not crticising Moore?
Right, gotcha.

comment #210

darthsutius says ...

"LXG was crap because I'm Alan Moore and I say so" is not very constructive criticism.

It looks ridiculously unprofessional when an author slags off the adaptation of thier own works, and downright stupid when the adaptation in question is actually quite good.

It only tarnishes the author's own works to do so.

comment #211

Zero says ...

Alan Moore is dead, he got devoured by his ego many years ago.

comment #212

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"How would YOU feel if you spent a couple of years of your life working on something that you were passionate about, only to have it rubbished by the person who created it in the first place? Especially when you KNOW that the end result you had created was pretty damn good."

That's pretty funny because you just inadvertedly made a decent argument defending Alan Moore's statements.

comment #213

Zero says ...

Were you people born fucking ignorant or did it take years of practice?

comment #214

JapAdapters says ...

Jesus, are you his fucking therapist? I asked legitimate questions to each one of the points he made and made one snarky comment, that was a response to the snarky comment he made about Alan Moore and the man with the personality disorder lost his shit one me, and didn't answer any of my questions. There went any chance of reasonable discourse. I would say he did this because whenever anyone says anything that disagrees with him, he views it as an "attack" (this is part of his personality disorder) and his house boys do too. That don't make it so.

Anyone who is such a sensitive fucking pussy shouldn't take shots at Alan Moore if he can't stand to have an anonymous person on the internet suggest he would be better off emulating what Alan Moore does, because that person thinks Alan Moore does good work and that Don Murphy is a cynical hack.

Admit it, you don't know anything about Hollywood producers, you're just happy Don Murphy talks to you. It makes you feel important, so you carry his laundry. Fuck outta here.

comment #215

Zero says ...

BBBBAAAAAWWW!!
THE BIG BAD MOVIE PRODUCER CALLED ME A NAAAAME!

SHIT!
SOMEBODY CALL THE WAAAHMBULANCE!

comment #216

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"It looks ridiculously unprofessional when an author slags off the adaptation of thier own works, and downright stupid when the adaptation in question is actually quite good."

In your opinion...which is undoubtedly the minority stance on this film (16% score on rottentomatoes).

"It only tarnishes the author's own works to do so."

Not really...perhaps it tarnishes the author as a person. But you can appreciate the work while hating the person, and vice versa. That is actually the most "constructive" approach to art and culture.

comment #217

Don Murphy says ...

His name is JapAdapter
He's really full of Crapter
His friends are his ten fingers and
He licks them till they Lingers
He spends his time on message boards trying to validate his life
That's him, the poor city kids and his imaginary wife

He has nothing but time all day
To be posting here hey hey
He makes no sense and has no friends
What more can you say.?
He's Japadapter and he really is a flapper
Hip Hip Hooray He's super lame
Jap Adapter is his name!

comment #218

JapAdapters says ...

You drones need to check yourselves. Who said Murphy shouldn't criticize Moore? Not me. He's welcome to criticize anyone he wants. He should just maybe be prepared to defend the criticism (see, because I think Moore is talented and Murphy is a hack) and then handle criticism that comes his way without spewing the same old tired internet cliches.

Maybe you guys shouldn't use the brain all at once. You're getting confused.

comment #219

Ian Brown says ...

Hey. Japseye.
Why's Murphy a hack?
How many multi-million dollar movie's you produced this decade.

Oh wait, what?

comment #220

JapAdapters says ...

Don, I'm sorry that doesn't hurt (though was it an adaption, I can't tell) because it's not true. Nothing you have said about me is true, but you keep throwing wild shots. I mean "JapAdapters" is racist? I'm "Arch Stanton"? Huh?

I have just as much time to post here as you do, and I don't go running to other sites crying like a bitch to my little toadies, or asking why you keep responding. See, that would be hypocritical.

Besides, I thought you "left."

comment #221

Don Murphy says ...

JA
Don't think it is not your strong suit as we have seen....

comment #222

JapAdapters says ...

Aha, and here it is: "Don Murphy is great because he's rich." Of course all you think that.

So, tell me (aptly named) zero, have you ever criticized a baseball player? A musician? A teacher? Anybody else who does something you haven't done? I guaran-fucking-tee you don't hold yourself to that standard (hypocrite) and no one else does, so shut the fuck up.

I don't give a fuck if Don Murphy has made money, I care if he's made good movies, and he hasn't. Why don't you go listen to some New Kids on the Block if you're so into people who've made money? Oh, yeah, because they sucked.

comment #223

Don Murphy says ...

As we watch the unloved man's brain slowly unravel, I thank you all for your support.

He sits at his minimum wage job refreshing the page every minute.

JA you are in my prayers today.

comment #224

JapAdapters says ...

Keep repeating that, Don. If you can get your lap dog to stop spamming the board. And the only "we" you speak of is the 27 people you keep around to fawn over your crappy movies.

Stop producing movies, it's not your strong point.

comment #225

Ian Brown says ...

What have you made that was ever good?
This site?
WHOA SHIT THIS SITE THAT LIKE IS KNOWN THE WORLD OVER!

comment #226

JapAdapters says ...

"I thank you all for your support." Hahahahahahaha.

Motherfucker, you BEGGED for their support. Eat it.

comment #227

Ian Brown says ...

I may or may not be a certain Premiership football star who was recently involved in a violent confrontation with a fan.

comment #228

Don Murphy says ...

JA
I have no lapdogs you sad wreck of a "man". I have people who come to my site that are fans of my work. This galls you because you have no fans and no friends, so you must slag them. I have over a thousand registered members. I pointed out that I was being attacked by a useless waste of space and they came to help. In fact, since I didn't get help in my last two battles with evil fucktards like yourself, I was not expecting or demanding anything. THEY CAME because they wanted to combat doucher where it may be, and you be douchey son. THIS DRIVES YOU CRAZY because you have no site, no credits, no friends, no love.

I pray that you realize this and then get the help you need.

comment #229

JapAdapters says ...

I didn't make this site, retard.

Don's cum must have mercury in it.

comment #230

JapAdapters says ...

Don, if people who have credits and websites are the only ones who have worth, why do you have a shrine to your shit for people with neither to worship at?

More hypocrisy.

comment #231

Don Murphy says ...

Poor poor JA, stuck with dirty words
Situation's bad man, rather quite absurd
Poor poor JA no one to give a hug
Sits at the computer and ca only tug

comment #232

Ian Brown says ...

So what have you done with your life?

comment #233

JapAdapters says ...

And "combat"? Really?

Is this how you see the world? Go combat a good script and stop hanging around on the internet with 27 people who worship you and 973 that like watching personality car crashes.

You're insane. Surely you've heard this?

comment #234

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

"He sits at his minimum wage job refreshing the page every minute."

No, those people don't have the time (or the access, for that matter). They actually have to work for a living.

How out of touch are you?

comment #235

Don Murphy says ...

Don, if people who have credits and websites are the only ones who have worth

See, JA is one of these people who can only argue by making shit up. Many people have worth. MOST of the posters who left this thread yesterday have worth. I never said you need to have credits and websites. I said THAT YOU have NO WORTH. Because you don't. You wake up at night to pee, cold and alone and you realize that it is never going to be okay. That's why you are so pathetic, bro.

comment #236

Ian Brown says ...

Alright, I decided to give you a chance, Japeskimo.

I went back and actually read your tripe and can successfully say you're an arseclown.

You immediately went into butthurt mode when your pathetic attempts at counter arguments got raped and have been there ever since.

You really are quite laughable.
Have you enjoyed your 15minutes of internet fame duelling words with a hollwood movie producer?

You really are the worst kind of attention starved attention whore.

comment #237

JapAdapters says ...

Asks the man who just spammed a movie message board like a fourteen year old would a Transformer site.

Well, lately, I've wasted a few hours arguing (or combating) an insecure man with more chins than he has good movies, and his trained pack of attack poodles.

You? Did you earn a biscuit?

comment #238

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

JA -

I imagine he imagines his life as one big combat with the "evil fucktard" decepticons. Don Murphy is...

OPTIMUS PRIME!

comment #239

JapAdapters says ...

I'm sorry, Don, for making the natural extrapolation that you thinking I've been driven crazy by the fact that I don;t have the things you do was a sign that you were implying my life is worthless. I'm sorry if i read that as a continuation of the theme that my life has no meaning you created to protect yourself from any criticism/

I didn't make up shit, you have. You made up that I attacked you? You made up a ridiculously cliched profile of me. You've mad up that my handle is racist. You've made up that I'm named after the grave in The Good the Bad and the Ugly. You've made up whatever you've had to to protect your sad little existence.

Btw, when's the last time you had a job or spoken to anyone else who has? Minimum wage clerk? What does that even mean?

comment #240

Ian Brown says ...

Oh yes, the hallowed ground of movie message boards.
Excuse me for not taking my shoes off.

comment #241

Don Murphy says ...

JA baby I am not IMPLYING anything
we have established that your life IS worthless.......

comment #242

JapAdapters says ...

Ian Brown, the only person who's starved for attention is you and your ilk (read: the other douches who rally around a raging mediocrity because you hope he'll give you a job washing his car).

It's true that I've embarrassed myself here by engaging with such a crew of internet (INTERNET!) hangers on, but I've had some free time and decided to indulge my argumentative side.

Why don't you spam some other nonsensical message like the middle schooler you are (at least at heart)?

comment #243

JapAdapters says ...

Well, Don, I'm sure you and yours have decided that. Of course, that's why you keep them around.

I wonder, though, after the circle jerk ... who eats the cookie?

I was going to ask why you can't keep a consistent argument going, but I see you're just flexing for your people, all of whom are well paid, educated, and successful people. I;'mso sure/

comment #244

Ian Brown says ...

You make the mistake of thinking I actually like Don Murphy.
Me and the man don't know or like each other, we're two people who live in the same world side by side without pissing each other off.

YOU on the other hand just seem to live to aggravate people on the internet because you seem to think you have some sort of moral highground.

And fuck me, I do love to poke a caged animal.

comment #245

JapAdapters says ...

Moral high ground? How so, oh great spammer of threads. You didn;t even read the thread, admit it. Don let you off the leash and you came a running/. Good doggie. Now, roll over and play dead. Better yet, don't play.

Btw, how can you not like and and live in the same world "side by side" as someone you don't know? In other words, I don't believe you.

comment #246

Ian Brown says ...

Because you seem to think you're better than everyone else posting here, that much is evident and was from the beginning.

Your ego is out of control.

comment #247

JapAdapters says ...

I repeat, you didn't even read the thread, and it's clear by what you write.

See, I don't think I'm netter than anyone, and I wasn't playing any "game," you little pissant. What, did Murphy pull you out of the back of the stable or something? You people are getting less and less coherent.

(PS, I DO think I'm better than YOU, but only because I think my neighbors dog is better than someone who spams a thread like you just did. Translation: I think EVERYONE is better than you.))

comment #248

Ian Brown says ...

Seriously, you should check out my website and my work, you'd really reconsider your opinion of me.

comment #249

Ian Brown says ...

http://www.thepounder.com/

comment #250

Ian Brown says ...

NSFW btw, lol

comment #251

Jolin says ...

JA, Ian said it right, your ego is out of control, you rip Dons films like everybody shares your opinions, well they dont. What have you ever acomplished in life? (crickets) I dont love all of Dons films but some are really fucking good, and for you to call him a bad producer, your just bitter and ridiculous. Again your ego is OUT OF CONTROL!

comment #252

Don Murphy says ...

Big ego to fill the emptiness in his soul

comment #253

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

...Sez the producer of a sequel to a film based on a line of HASBRO TOYS.

Not everyone shares your opinions, either, Jolin, but freedom of speech allows us to state our opinions on any given subject?

Ain't it great?

comment #254

Jolin says ...

CKCG dont give me that freedom of speech BULLSHIT, JA's arrogance is in plain view.

comment #255

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Really? 'Cuz the only thing in plain view to me is a regular guy defending himself against a Hollywood producer's maliciousness and hostility.

comment #256

JapAdapters says ...

I like how you've all glommed onto this ego things now.

Personally, I don't know anyone who likes Don's movies, but there are clearly people who pay to see them (fuck, I paid to see Transformers, though I should have known better), and I'm sure many who like them. So what? You probably don't know this but there are people in this world who don't like things JUST because other people do. I've already addressed this by asking if you ever complain about music, sports, TV shows, or any of the gazillion things that surround us to see if you hold yourself to the standard you're imposing on me. Your answer? More name calling, because that's all you've got. It's all you've got because apparently it's what your master has taught you.

See, a non-Hollywood producer with an opinion about Hollwood doesn't mean that person's ego is "out of control." I would agree that you all probably need more ego (not you Don, you need to hire a "No" man to offset the online ass kissers you soak your feet in daily) if "ego" = having an original thought. I've said that Don Murphy is successful, and I've not wrapped myself in other people's opinions. I stated something online and he attacked me, but I'm here to suffer his slings and arrows without bringing other posters into it or asking my friends to join the site to attack him. Again, that's not ego, you pathetic pole smokers, it's having an opinion and standing by it.

And yeah, IB, nice site. People pounding their penises was exactly what I would have expected out of you. I'm sure it gets hits too, so it must have value, right?

comment #257

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

There's a lot of talk about "Don's" movies... what movies? He didn't make em... all he did was produce on em. It took an entire team of people to "make" em. People who got more credit... like Bay, Spielberg, Di Boniventura... those are the people who "made" them. Don was the delivery boy. I saw the "Spammies" the stooges did... from the segments I saw Don in, he was walking around delivering ice cream cones to people.

and for those who still insist I'm Reg cuz I chose the hedgehog name... lol at you. I'm telling you... it would shock you to find out who I really am over there on your site. I'm not reg, I'm not his computer, or any other such psychotic shit his said he was. Reg is a fucktard of the highest order.. I told you.. I used the name to get a rise out of you. And from what I've read on your boards, IT WORKED. I don't even post like him... geesh. asshats!

comment #258

Zero says ...

Crazy, but thats how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe its not to late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Lifes a bitter shame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

Ive listened to preachers
Ive listened to fools
Ive watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeh-h

Heirs of a cold war
Thats what weve become
Inheriting troubles Im mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
Im living with something that just isnt fair

Mental wounds not healing
Who and whats to blame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train

comment #259

JapAdapters says ...

Is this something you do to save your master when he can't bully someone with his bluster? Spamming? You think it makes you look like anything but raging dip shits? Really?

Address a point motherfuckers, or go away and stay away. You've got nothing to say, so stop acting like you've made any points.

And I've got no dog in this "hedgehog" fight, but wouldn't the guy change his name if he didn't want you to know it's him? I know you're all in a cult, but see through the haze and apply some basic logic.

comment #260

Stooge says ...

Actually, the story behind Hedge Hog is very convoluted. he is a very deranged individual that actually posted on the DM boards pretending to be his computer. He spoke in terms such as 'his is not computing' etc. He has numerous times pretended to be someone else just to get busted about it later, and he has been proven to be a compulsive liar 99.99% of the time.

Unfortunately when it comes to HedgeHog there is no argument in his favor. he really is as screwed up as the guys on the board claim he is.

comment #261

Moises Chiullan says ...

Extraneous posts full of junk filler have been removed. Please continue shouting on the internet, everyone.

comment #262

actionman says ...

who farted?

comment #263

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

This is the real Hedge and believe anything that Murphy or his brainwashed cult followers say.

BTW that TF2 tabloid is false and even Michael Bay, Paramount Legal and the Casting Directors involved know that.

The tabloid at defamer.com was all made up by a loser named Robert Martinez (aka AllenSteewart and his 30+ apt account) from Chicago and Murphy compensated him with some cheap poster....like wow.

*yawn*

comment #264

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Sorry....DON'T believe anything that the brainwashed lackeys from DM.net say.

They have nothing else better to do than to talk about nothing anyway.

FYI:

"Hedgehog Supreme" wasn't me either and the administrators can varify my IP address to confirm.

comment #265

Stooge says ...

But you have created numerous accounts on the DM site claiming to be someone else... including your computer.
Please, deny that. I need a good laugh.

comment #266

moorish says ...

Hilarious thread. Not sure why Don Murphy is so angry about the whole situation (or has to fight with internet posters), but seriously, saying nothing would be better - the whole thing would fizzle away. Whereas by keeping the flame war going Don just makes himself look even more blustery and makes people side with Moore (and people are more inclined to side with Moore on the issue anyway, because his original books are really great, and Murphy's film versions, err, not so much).

comment #267

AtticusRex says ...

Wow, This is one fun thread. The flaming is really outta control yet fun to read. Now, I a nobody except to my network of friends and family. I am a 'producer' in search of funding. I am at this moment stuck in a catch-22. Produce something then we will invest.

I just wanted to get that out of the way so I could comment here about Mr. Moore and this whole Don Murphy vs. most everyone here stuff...

I've never met Mr. Moore, but I have read most of his work. He is quite good at what he does. That said it's also his right to not like what is made of his work as well... though it would be better that he expresses that right after seeing the finished product.

When movies are made from novels or comics it's very difficult to have everything in the film. It's hard to stay true to everything everyone loves about the original content. Heck remember people... Books allow us as the reader to see them in our mind differently perhaps as the writer intended. Movies on the other hand spell them out. The Director puts his mark on the story.

I for one would think Moore would at least be happy that Zack is making this movie. He has proven thus far to having an understanding of how to translate someone else's work.

Now about Mr. Don Murphy... I do not know the man. I actually wish I did perhaps he would be able to guide me to getting my projects funded or tell me that I don't have a snowballs chance in hell. I think from what I read here that Don would tell me the truth as he sees it.

About his Producing work:

While She Was Out: Haven't seen it.
Shoot 'Em Up: Weird time with this. Saw it opening day and was left feeling detached and cold. Watched it again on Blu-Ray and now I own it. I think my expectations were high for it but at home I really found the comic groove and loved it for what it is... trashy good fun and well acted.
Transformers: Loud, Brash and I wanted more Transformer-Fu. Not the best at the human angle but that wasn't that kind of movie.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Money is up on the screen but well all I can say as a film? Better than the Avengers? Ok I admit... this was not a very good movie. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure there are many who enjoyed it as well. The film lacked logic.
From Hell: Very good movie. Nice atmosphere and again good acting.
Bully: Haven't seen it.
Permanent Midnight: Deep and insightful. Again very good acting.
Apt Pupil : Very good/solid adaptation of King's short story. Well acted.
Double Dragon: Not for me, I wasn't the targeted audience.

So to sum up about Mr. Murphy... He seems to produce some films targeted to a specific crowd and some that are smaller and more intriguing. But for most of his work the acting seems to be top-notch.

As for his comments here... well sounds like he might be a fan of Harvey Wienstien?! Some producers I would think have to have a thick hide.

Some here might accuse this post as kiss-ass. So what! I posted the truth as I see it for myself.

comment #268

SaltOnTheTable says ...

This is all bullshit. One guy makes bitter, jaded comments on an industry he despises but accepts money from it; one guy waxes irate on old wounds reopening; and a massive aggregation of people intimate to neither party involves itself in the wrath complex. Just what the fuck did any of you expect would happen from this that wouldn't jar a sane mind?!

JA, you almost came to reason at one point, then allowed yourself to morph into a grade-A douche.

Don, i know you don't want kiss-asses for friends, and you were hoping to have real friends have your back, but w/ exception to 2 or 3, the guys from your boards seem to be suck-ups. For the record, you're in the right, but you're allowing yourself to get too stressed over this. You're either gonna have a stroke or suffer from chronic depression. Take it easy!

Don's Boardmates. It's great to stick up for a friend, but watch how you express yourself. Angelophile and gareth did a great job of standing up for Don. They didn't deify him, they vindicated his claims. It's better to stay silent than it is to look like a brown-noser, even if your intent is genuine. Because otherwise, in the end, you'd make the friend you defend look like a pompous prick.

To hedge: Fuck off. No one anywhere wants your support or dissent.

comment #269

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

DM.net = no-life asskissing losers

Alan Moore > Don Murphy

Nuff said. Btw nobody in real life even read into that fake TF2 tabloid and I'm still working. People acknowledge my breaks and are positive so why should I care about faceless spammers?

*yawn*

comment #270

Stooge says ...

Especially when you can just create an alternate account and pretend to be a computer, right?

comment #271

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Stooge = Virgin For Life Anti-Social Nerd Cult Member

comment #272

Stooge says ...

Wow, that's a great comeback.
Too bad you know nothing about me or my real life. Shit, you don't even know who I am on the DM site itself, so your little, pathetic try at an insult means nothing.

None of that matters, of course, I just don't want JapAdapters to start trying to defend you when he knows none of the history behind you, or the actions of you on the DM site.

See, of anyone that tries to put a comment in about Don Murphy I just want him to understand that you, of anyone, are the least reliable to listen to. No matter what anyone else says you are the most likely to lie, the most likely to try to bend things in to your direction to make others out to be bad, and the most likely to resort to petty comments like the one above, with not an ounce of fact to support yourself.

And when things go wrong you create numerous accounts to support yourself. At least Don has genuine, real people coming on here to support him. You need to create aliases to get your support, and you couldn't even come up with enough 'humans' to do that, you needed to pretend to be your fucking computer.

So yeah, you calling me a virgin when you know nothing about me is pretty pathetic. And your past actions have done nothing to make you look like a big man. And the more you do it the more you show how right I am about you.

comment #273

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

^ Proved my point.

Stooge = No Life Simpleton That Can't Fight Or Get Laid IRL

Look how much energy some nerdy nobody spent on typing a long paragraph that I don't give a damn about. What's funny is that this faceless spammer will stand by any last word I type just to respond back to me, for what? Get a life but since you don't have one I'll expect a predictable response from somebody that doesn't matter (you).

Find a social life. LOL!

comment #274

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

And I would like to add on last thing:

Don Murphy's cult of cyber-lackeys ("Stooges") will not help him when I take him to court and not one Stooged-Moron will be one ounce of help.

The Judge can contact Michael Bay himself and ask him about what really happened on June 9, 2009 and even he would acknowledge that those TF2 stories at defamer.com are false. The most I did was attend a waredrobe fitting on June 7th, 2009 and I was never on the set of TF2 nor have I ever met Bay, but Bay knows who I am and knows that those stories are lies. So the Judge will wonder why you (Murphy) spent over 8 months instigating a false story involving me and Michael Bay especially if you (Murphy) are the co-producer of this film.

I have more than enough real life people and friends that WILL step up and defend my character and you will not win.

comment #275

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

And I would like to add on one more thing:

As a result of your actions on your message board my booking on TF2 got cancelled so I have physical proof that not only did I get paid for my TF2 fittings but I also recieved a TF2 cancellation check after filing my claim with SAG. A cancellation check is issued when a booking is cancelled within less than 24 hours notice. On top of that I was accidentally double booked for both TF2 and Lee Daniel's film Push (Premiered at Sundance 2009). I have evidence that I was in Harlem, NY working on
Push with a featured spot while that tabloid accused me of being in Philadelphia that day when I was physically in NYC all day..

Also I know who you got to do the dirty work in submitting that false story so the moment when this sh!t hits the fan I know you are going to do nothing but point fingers to other people but that won't help you.

comment #276

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

^ CORRECTION:

-The TF2 waredrobe fitting occurred on June 7, 2008 (not '09)

-The TF2 booking date was set for June 9, 2008 (not '09)

-I worked on Lee Daniel's film Push on June 9, 2008 (not '09)

-My cancellation for TF2 (as a result of Don and his bored board) was on Sunday June 8, 2008.

My little mistake since this happened 8 months ago and yet those stooged-morons (most not all) especially Murphy still get
their rocks off with this crap.

See you in court. Nuff said.

comment #277

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Just to let you all know that i continue getting booked for work and people (in real life, not irrelevant spammer cult members) are happy for the breaks I landed bit by bit on TV and Film.

After knowing Murphy I was reminded of how some of the most screwed up people in the world or in this business are actually real and that's why I never trusted him. No wonder Quentin Tarantino owned Murphy in that restaurant when he SLAPPED MURPHY silly. Lmao!

Makes you wonder?

Quentin Tarantino > Don Murphy

comment #278

Henchmen 24 says ...

This thread is hilarious!

Is this what Hell is like for failed film producers? First you're humiliated by your peers, then your products fail, then you get ridiculed on-line, and then... Then you spend all day with the people who hate you. Yes. You call them "fucksticks" and you say they look like poo.

You should be thrilled that people know your name, that you get to produce stories in a medium that you love, and instead, you spend hours and days, typing angry obscenities at strangers. You can't even defend your products - I notice no words in here about the integrity of your craft, or the redeeming qualities of the stories you've told - you just type schoolyard insults about other people's lives.

This thread, and your raging, often incomprehensible insults, has entertained more people than any of your movies. Isn't that weird? Ironic? A sign from God that maybe you should apply some self-examination to your craft and the way you treat other people, both in your professional life, as well as on-line?

comment #279

Sabina E says ...

whoa... this has almost 280 comments. Shit, I missed a lot of chaos.

comment #280

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Exactly Henchman24.

I met Don almost 3 years ago after posting/ talking about G-1 Transformers on his bored message board. I even during that hour of talking to him I felt a not so good vibe from him...a vibe to not take head to anything he says.

At a TF convention in Toronto I saw him talking to a fanboy who made 10 ft tall G-1 Optimus Prime statue made from household materials. Murphy said to the kid "Great job!" with no emotion in the face then 2 seconds later Murphy walks next to me and says "That statue looks crappy." RIGHT AFTER he lied to that teenager. Don Murphy is a lying sack of crap.

That's why all the studios closed the doors on Murphy when he went around shopping the first draft of the TF script BEFORE Roberto Orci penned the final draft. Murphy's own peers didn't take him seriously until Steven Spielberg got on board and Spielberg is the real shot caller when it came to TFs being made into a movie. What's more sad is that Murphy failed to realize that people care more about Transformers than about him or his lackluster films.

comment #281

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

^ Correction: I had a vibe to not take "HEED" to what Murphy says.. Damned spell checker.

comment #282

Stooge says ...

5 unanswered posts by you... and you call me a "No Life Simpleton That Can't Fight Or Get Laid IRL"?
Again, you know nothing about me so if that's all you got then you really are hopeless.

And with that, I'm out of here. There's no point in continuing this since you haven't got anything solid to say about me other than some petty little insult.

Just remember: "I'M A DON MURPHY STOOOOOOOOOOGE!!!!!!!!!!!!"

comment #283

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Stooge = No balls having geek that hides behind a screen name

If you name is not Don Murphy then shut it up because obviously be doesn't have the balls to come back here.

And based on your typing style I bet that you are Julio-Claudius, a 15 year old punk that plays video games all day long with DM.net losers.

As I predicted, a predictable response from a cult loser. Btw, your fat-Wookie-God (Murphy) is gonna get owned IRL and your 34 year old butt-buddy Robert Martinez/ AllenSteewart will be thrown to the flames by Murphy once he gets his summons.

Once again get a life.

comment #284

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Once again if your name is not Don Murphy then why are you here spamming?

No life?

comment #285

Don Murphy says ...

Reg you Sad Loser of a Person What are you going to sue me for? Definition of character? You are a douchebag. You always were a douchebag. You came back to the board 27 times after being banned. The lawyers at Paramount and Dreamworks all say- What a Douchebag is Reg. People hate you Reg. I really really laugh at you to the core of my being. You are a douchbag.

comment #286

Jarek Zabczynski says ...

Ok bitch...let's level the playing field a bit here.

Considering I was with you in Toronto where we both met Don together, your recollection of things seems a bit skewed and flawed. Not sure where you came up with the Prime statue story, but from what I remember the guy greeted Don and he thought it looked cool. He later made reference to it during his Q&A session with everyone, comparing it to what Optimus Prime should look like in the film. I have the entire thing on video in case you forgot.

From the moment you met Don you pretty much leeched onto him talking about your self-overinflated career as a tree doing background work on various films. Anytime I tried to get a word in or ask Don for advice you'd butt in, attempting to get something out of it for yourself. Don was nothing but polite and kind to everyone there. When Don left you couldn't stop talking about "how awesome" Don was and that you really felt Don was going to help you out with your career cause now you were pals. Then when he didn't "hook a brotha up" you got pissy and launched a pathetic crusade against him, getting myself caught in the crossfire.

Don has defended you to no end on his message board, but eventually your unending douchebaggedry made him see you for the lying bag of turds that you are. I've probably done more for your career than anyone else, and for that you wanted to "sue my ass." If it weren't for Don's board no one would even know who you are. Your dramatic fits of rage are the only thing that keep you afloat.

PS...Hedge pays for sex at Japanese "massage" parlors. I know this because he told me. Also, ask Slugger about how Hedge stole soda from the gas station on the way to Toronto.

Cheers!

comment #287

Stooge says ...

"And based on your typing style I bet that you are Julio-Claudius, a 15 year old punk that plays video games all day long with DM.net losers."

Um, no. Wrong.

And just so you know, based on your past actions I chose to use a completely different name here than on the boards. I don't need PMs from you, or e-mails, or whatever else you may decide to do.
Seeing as I have a wife and kids I don't need phone calls from a psycho threatening to sue me because I plagiarized him with the "BUT I'M A DON MURPHY STOOOOOOOOGE!!!" bit.

That's all you, baby, and you can keep it.

comment #288

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Oh about Jarek. He's just a nobody hack who thinks that he's a mega director just because he knows how to hold a camcorder.

Btw Jarek is a pompous midget that buys gifts for Don Murphy and wants Don to adopt him as his bastard son, like wow. Jarek is one of the most boring people I've ever met. He thinks that he is above all else. Hey Jarek how is it that you know nothing about Hip-Hop and yet you want to front/ pretend that you know how make rap videos. Also Jarek is a virgin because when in Toronto at the bar while talking about Toys (TF) a woman started flirting with me and Jarek says "That never happens to me."....LOL! Then on the way to Hooters I made a joke about "How about you going to an Asian massage parlor to get a happy ending! LOL"...a joke, a joke that a lame person like him couldn't get just like you can't get laid oh boo hoo hoo.

Wait a minute I stole a can of soda? I did? Oh you talking about Slugger who is mental from his Ambien addiction who also relies on headache medicine? First of all I went to the ATM 3 times in Canada you little bitch. Wow, well ask Brian bitch-ass Slugger about how much he dislikes Jolin and the reasons why? But he won't say it because he's a coward and that bored message board is all he got.

So anyway this thread is called "Utterly Correct" and not only was Moore correct as to what he stated but your master Murphy got owned so much here on this site that he had nothing else to do but to talk about me on his bored board. Who cares and tell Dynamo that I do have a legal leg to stand on and you are irrelevant to the situation.

Btw Jarek the hack forgot to mention that I did NOT want to do the Spammies because there are too many haters there. I told you twice but you keep asking over and over and over again till I said "fine". Oh BTW Jester Pictures is at his Mommy's house where your 102 year old dog (in dog years) wanted/ tried to take a piss on your own equipment! LMAO

As for Don, you already got owned here so go back to your cult message board and spread more bullshit, it just helps my case.

Once again:

Quentin Tarantino > Don Murphy

Hey Murphy, did you urinate on yourself when Quentin bitch-slapped you? All signs point to yes. :D Lmao!

comment #289

Don Murphy says ...

It just helps his case- LOL- you mean the imaginary case you never had. YOU ARE A LOSER. Do you enjoy having dozens of people mock you daily? I think you do.

comment #290

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Anyone reading this site please bear witness to the next action Don Murphy does:

On his message board he started a thread about me and now he asked his cyber-cult members to make up a bogus IMBD page to fill it with false information. Don Murphy has issues and that's why he always burns bridges with people on a regular basis.

Murphy seems to be hell bent to losing the case because all he is doing is giving more evidence and it's now documented here outside of his own board.

He already tried to make a Wiki page with his lackeys about me but it was deleted thanks to the good people at Wikipedia.

comment #291

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Now while he wastes his time doing that, this is what I'm doing:

-Studying for my ceremony tonight

-Ironing my tuxedo

I'm about to experience one if the most important moments of my life tonight with my Brothers. I'm almost 2/3rds of the way of completing my apprenticeship for my Fraternity.

After the ceremony is complete, I'm going to show my people what you are doing.

comment #292

Stooge says ...

Really? Because I see nothing that says "Fill it with bogus shit about the hamburger man".
More lies by you.

"2/3rds of the way of completing my apprenticeship for my Fraternity."
So you're a pledge? That's great. Did you pass the sheep-fucking part?

comment #293

Don Murphy says ...

Reg the farternity laughs at you. Everyone laughs at you.

I didn't know about the Wikipedia page till now but I love it. I think the idea is genius. People need to be warned about you.

So how come you never state what the cause of action is that you'll be suing under? The homless lawyer must have told you you had a case, what's the case YOU UGLY FOOL.

comment #294

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

So, Alan Moore took money for the film rights to his stuff. Doesn't mean he has to enjoy the schlock guys like Murphy make out of it. I saw LXG.... DUDE, IT SUCKED ASS! Faithful or not... the FX was weak and shitty, the acting sucked (they literally looked bored onscreen), and anyone who claims to have produced that shit should have thier ass removed and forfeit thier rights as a human. Just cuz an artist makes a kick-ass comic, that doesn't mean hollywood needs to put it on film. Today's films are too FX driven and they always lose the story or parts of it to put in another cool shot of sumthin blowing up or a head getting chooped off. I loved transformers growing up... but what got made was a slap in the face. I know on the other site all the splooges say it's Bay's fault, but if Murphy is so quick to defend "his" work, then he is equally to blame. Nice job bonehead!

Shoot em' up was good though... I'll give ya that.

But still... how much involvement did Murphy really have I ask you. The money man? NOPE Creative direction.... NOPE. What did you do Don? There were like 8 or 9 other producers... how is it "your" work. You didn't direct, you didn't act... all you did was sit on your fat ass and collect a check... and lisp a lot when you spoke. BIG DEAL.

And to the splooges on DM.net, kiss his ass all you want... you ain't getting nuthin outta him cuz his producing authority only gives him access to the coffee maker.

If Alan Moore wants to say that hollywood sux and screws his stuff up, but is smart enough to know they'll still pay him well for it... so be it. More power to the guy. Laugh Alan... all the way to the bank where you cash that hefty check boy!

Murphy, since you are so fond of belittling people.. remember one thing, you work for us, the fileclerks, the two-bit part time actors, and even the lowly little shit who spits on your burger at Micky D's! Without me and others like me... guys like you don't exist... now go fetch my coffee!

comment #295

Don Murphy says ...

HHS
I don't work for you at all. And you no longer have a job due to downsizing. Sucks to be you.

comment #296

Stooge says ...

"... and lisp a lot when you spoke."

Totally unnecessary. Everything you just tried to state was completely invalidated by one cheap shot at a man's impediment, if there is even an impediment to speak of. I never noticed.

That's a Reginald Brown low.. no wonder you took his namesake. You're no better. And most likely no different.

comment #297

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

not as bad as it sucks to be you.

coffee! Fetch!

comment #298

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

DM.net = Stalkers

Murphy I already made a police report with your name in it. Now you got your cult looking up my home address.

Dude, you don't know what kind of connections I HAVE because if someone dares to try to violate my space then I have all the right in the world to defend myself.

Keep it up. At this point you should be worried about your career instead of mine you psycho.

And my Frat (you don't even know) trumps any lackey you got.

comment #299

Stooge says ...

I don't recall him asking his "cult" to look up your home address. They did that on their own.
He just asked if there was an IMDB page.

Does your 'lawyer' know how you twist things around? Does he support this type of behavior on your part?

And please, if your 'frat' is so great, name them. If they really exist then you have nothing to lose by showing their strength, if not their name.

Again, you are a liar. You claim that Jarek is a liar, yet he has done nothing in the past to support your claims, whereas you have lied so many times in the past that no one even knows what is true with you anymore.

And stalkers is an incorrect term if you're looking up public information available on the internet. They're researchers, and they're all bringing out public information that you provided to them.

comment #300

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

^ This "stooge" is the only liar that is here. For all I know you could be Don Murphy in disguise.

Don't worry, all the things occurring now only adds to my case.

Btw, yes I do have a lawyer and we just won a settlement with my old college. That was a priority compared to Murphy's bullshit.

And my Brotherly connections trumps stooged-lackeys anytime.

It's ashame I took away from my studying for this pathetic person and his group of followers and nice try.

You lost.

comment #301

Stooge says ...

And part of that settlement was that they allow you in to their 'fraternity'? that sounds about right.

And what is being added to your case? You're posting on a public message board, and being an asshat, at that.

You can't provide us with any proof that there really is a fraternity, or any 'brothers'. Shit, I could make up crap like that too. Doesn't make it true if I can't provide evidence.
Based on your past, Reggie, there is no reason for anyone to believe anything you say, ever, unless you provide some tangible proof.
You are a liar, and a hack. And that has been proven in the past, unlike anything you claim.

comment #302

Don Murphy says ...

Pussy boy you still haven't answered the ONE question asked of you- WHAT are you going to sue for?
You can't answer it because you are not suing. You are eating shit, as always.

comment #303

Don Murphy says ...

Here's another for the loser known as Reg-

what is the Police Report #? surely you can answer that!

comment #304

Electroshock says ...

You know what Reggie? I just have to ask: why? Why bring all this ugliness here? Why persist in being as crazy on this site as you were on Don's? I just don't get it. I really don't. Why can't you see that every single bad thing that has happened to you, every single person that mocks and belittles you here, all those bad things happened because of you and how you acted.

A police report indeed. Like anyone would ever give you the time of day once Don trotted out your post history on his site showing what a crazy sack of nutjob you are. Or once I showed that picture of an alt you made based around mocking a 12 year old boy who ridiculed your ridiculous behavior. Is that what you do in your spare time Reggie? Mock 12 year olds? Or do you just make...how many alt accounts have you had at Don's site again? Is it double digits yet? Remember when you pretended to be your own computer because Hedgehog was banned? Remember that? Yeah, I bet you do.

Seriously Reggie, just stop posting. You're not digging yourself deeper anymore, you're dynamiting down to the Earth's core. You're so deep you are in danger of morlock attack. You're so deep you might just find Alan Moore's sanity (hey, I tied it into the actual article!). Just knock it off. Please, for the love of God, think of the children.

comment #305

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

^ Oh look the most Hedge obsessed moron is trying to be "Don's bitch" oops I mean "hero".

You don't impress anyone and most people on Don's board don't like you and yet you continue to enjoy "tossing salads". No wonder that everytime you "talk", it smells like "electro-shit".

One day I will see you just so that I can see you run away you little pansy.

comment #306

Don Murphy says ...

CowardHog

1- what will the charge in the lawsuit be?
2- what was the police report number you filed?

By still not answering we see that you are the loser Reg. Enjoy the mockery it keeps on coming you sack of shit,

comment #307

Reg Clinton Brown says ...

Don Murphy:

Slander/ defamation of character.

Instigating a false story for 8 months when even Michael Bay himself knows that those stories are false since I was never on the actual set nor have I ever met Bay face to face even though on numerous occasions I stated that with numerous alt accounts but you decided to instigate the slander for your own sick amusement.

Nuff said.

*yawn*

comment #308

Don Murphy says ...

DoucheHog

1- re your cause of action - I laugh at you and call you a douchebag. You have no lawyer and no case. Please please sue me so I can countersue you to oblivion. I had nothing to do with the story and you'll never prove otherwise.

2- Police Report #- come on liar????

Sick amusement? I think you are a pathetic sad human being .

comment #309

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

Who remembers this oldie (but always a goodie!)

In 1997, Murphy was bitch-slapped in a restaurant by a an enraged Quentin Tarantino for pointing out he was a evil-chinned one-note cock jockey in a tell-all-book called Killer Instinct. Murphy sued Tarantino for $5,000,000, but only received $450 which he gave to a charity for the aid of the perpetually bewildered and confused, including past victims of Tarantino's douchebaggery. If you try to mention this on his Wikipedia entry, Murphy will delete it, the entry, Wikipedia itself and then come round your house and shit in your mouth while you're sleeping. And he doesn't want you to mention it in imdb.com message boards either.

Funny stuff! only $450 bucks.... geesh.

comment #310

HedgeHog Supreme says ...

Wait..... wait... it gets better!

Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino, who adapted Elmore Leonard's Rum Punch into the upcoming Jackie Brown, allegedly sucker-punched a fellow diner at a posh West Hollywood Italian eatery, according to an eyewitness account Wednesday.
Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies responded to the ruckus involving the 34-year-old Pulp Fiction auteur at the restaurant Ago on trendy Melrose Avenue, but no arrests were made and no charges filed.
"All I know is that Tarantino and somebody else got into an altercation at the restaurant," said Sgt. Marty Chulack. "Whatever problems they had were resolved at the scene."
When called for comment, a worker at the dining establishment, described as the new meeting and eating place for insider Hollywood, refused to answer questions about the brawl.
But according to an eyewitness, the Tarantino incident occurred at lunch time. The witness, a fellow diner, looked up to see "this slug fest going on [near] the maitre d' station."
"I don't think either of these guys had a clue how to fight," said the witness, who described the melee like this: Tarantino standing above a cowering, unidentified man, "punching at his head."
Sheriff's deputies appeared after the fight had broken up. When they left, Tarantino was still there--joining his own party in another room of the restaurant, the witness said.
No word on the identity of Tarantino's punching bag or the cause of the brawl.
Tarantino's publicist could not be reached for comment Wednesday afternoon.

HA HA HA HA HA You weren't cowering were you? Not the BOSSBOT! Say it isn't so. HA HA HA HA HA

comment #311

Stooge says ...

So what does that prove? That any hack with a keyboard can type shit?
What does it have to do with the fact that you haven't supplied a police report # yet, other than you trying to deflect the attention off of yourself?

And what's the source of these 'stories'? The Onion?
Whether or not it happened that way is irrelevant to the fact that you are still avoiding the original question posed to you.

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Stooge lets move on- our work here is done

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Agreed. It's time for me to give up this alias anyway.

Maybe I'll come back as a Macbook Air or something.

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Don Murphy says:

"Stooge let's move on - our work here is done."

"Stooge" was an alternate account that Murphy made up fir himself since his need cult army failed him.

Btw, "Stooge" wasted time calling me a liar when "it" can't even state what I lied about? You calling me a liar shiws more slander on your part qhen my physucall proof trumps all the bullshit you say. So what did Reg Clinton Brown lie about. And I do have a police report and you are a moron to think that I would have volunteered that info to you.

Yeah, the work here was DONE to my advantage and I will see you in court and you have no counterclaim besides you being guilty for being "stupid".

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^ Typo Correction:

"Stooge" was an alternate account Murphy made up FOR himself since his NERD cult army failed him.

Anyway back to the original topic:

Alan Moore = Utterly Correct

Don Murphy = Utter Crap

As I said.....nuff said.

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I have physical proof to prove everything I stated and what happened here shows more slanderous proof from you that I need.

Murphy lives in a delusional world where so many people tell him "what he wants to hear" that he even does it to himself, what a sad waste of matter.

Once again, nuff said.

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