Desired Effect

Two pieces of official but not finalized concept art from James Cameron‘s Avatar, taken from the forthcoming The Art of Avatar: James Cameron’s Epic Adventure and passed along yesterday by Marketsaw.

36 thoughts on “Desired Effect

  1. looks like Transformers, King Kong, The Lost World, Terminator, Spy Hunter, Riven, etc, etc, etc. This movie will never live up to the insane expectations.

  2. This movie will never live up to the insane expectations.

    I blame Cameron for becoming the yang to George Lucas’ yin.

  3. “looks like Transformers, King Kong, The Lost World, Terminator, Spy Hunter, Riven, etc, etc, etc.”

    And this is a problem for you, how, exactly???

    I think the top photo is a bit HK-esque from the Terminator films (which came out before Transformers was even a TOY, thanks very much), and the bottom is reminiscent of the cargo-loader Ripley operates in the duel with the Queen at the end of Aliens. Ripping off anyone is forgivable if the end result is kickass, even moreso if you’re mainly just ripping off yourself, methinks.

    WTF is up with the negativity around here surrounding this project, anyway? Just a few days back we had people coming out of the woodwork to defend Bay, but we all suddenly want to bury Cameron?

    Why, exactly? All the guy does is make one kickass, fx-pioneering, action extravaganza after another. That Big Boat movie honestly wasn’t that bad, was it?

  4. I’m with you on this Citizen.

    I think the fact that the movie is coming out relatively soon and all we’ve seen are two lame pieces of artwork says something. You don’t stack the deck against yourself like that by inadvertently building endless hype and revealing nothing unless you’ve got some big swinging balls to back it up.

    I think Cameron will deliver, and I think he’s professional enough that he wouldn’t even bother trying unless he knew he could.

  5. bents and Citizen, in support of your argument, I would present Spider-Man. Remember how Cameron circled the project for a couple of years? During that time, he was supposedly testing new cameras that could move on wires to simulate Spidey’s web swinging. He never quite got there, so they moved on to Raimi.

    Cameron’s been working on this thing for 10 years. Ultimately, the hype may be too much for it. But you won’t be able to say that Cameron didn’t swing for the fences.

  6. I’m really looking forward to this, but I can’t blame anybody whose reaction to the insane level of hype is to hope that it fails. It’s certainly creating a lot to live up to.

  7. Kane: “I think the top photo is a bit HK-esque from the Terminator films (which came out before Transformers was even a TOY, thanks very much)”

    But not before Harlan Ellison came up with the idea first.

  8. The difference between Avatar and, say, the island from Jackson’s King Kong, is that one looks like CG, while the other will be PHOTOREALISTIC. The concept art can’t get that across. It’s going to feel like you can reach out and touch it, like you could swim to those islands in the background.

    At least I hope that’s what the difference will be.

  9. Here’s a tip, fake DeeZee. Your phony, pithy response should read something like this:

    Kaned: Substitute “Demon with the Glass Hand” with Terminator, then we’ll talk.

    Actually fuck that. He would probably give the credit to Akira, or some related early ’80s Japanese manga that nobody’s actually read (including him).

  10. “some related” (aka “related to Akira only more obscure”).

    I see your reading skills are nearly as poor as the Real McCoy.

    Um, he would never call them comic book bins, though.

  11. Having sat through 10 years of summer shit from Michael Bay, The Wachowskis, Brett Ratner, Stephen Sommers, McG, JJ Abrams, Bryan Singer, Gore Verbinski etc. James Cameron can’t come back soon enough. An average James Cameron movie will be like a masterpiece compared to the last decade of schlock.

  12. “I think the top photo is a bit HK-esque from the Terminator films (which came out before Transformers was even a TOY, thanks very much)”

    Actually not true. Transformers AND Terminator both came out in 1984 (Terminator debuted Oct 26). The toy line was out in 1983 overseas, when Terminator went into produciton.

    From wikipedia:

    The line was born when Hasbro representatives went to the 1983 Tokyo Toy Show in search of prospective toys that they could import to the United States market. At the time, Takara was showcasing several transforming robots toy lines, most particularly the Diaclone and Micro Change series. Hasbro bought the rights to produce the toys, but decided to release them under a single brand to avoid confusing the market with several series with the same theme.”

  13. “Actually not true. Transformers AND Terminator both came out in 1984 (Terminator debuted Oct 26). The toy line was out in 1983 overseas, when Terminator went into produciton.”

    Well you caught me in a bit of hyperbole. I knew that was going to be close. So in the U.S., Terminator debuted in October and the Transformers came out in September, and both were probably in production right around the same time. Fair enough.

  14. “But not before Harlan Ellison came up with the idea first. ”

    DZ would never make a connection that obvious, but he would be stupid enough to think Harlan Ellison deserves credit for inventing the sci-fi tropes that were used in ‘The Terminator’. (I know he sued for the credit, but I think he deserved it about as much as Heinlein deserves the credit for the Tribbles.)

  15. Kane: You said “or some related manga that no one’s read”, without emphasizing any particulars, which would thus imply that you lump Akira in the same boat.

    Gordon: Oh, and Reservoir Dogs has nothing to do with City on Fire, either, right?

  16. well, in much the same way that Harlan Ellison didn’t invent most of the similar ideas from ‘Glass Hand’, ‘City on Fire’ didn’t invent the color-based code names (one of the central things the guy you’re impersonating clings to), and never acknowledged its own debt to ‘The Taking of Pelham 1,2,3′.

  17. That might be the case, but at least Ellison wouldn’t attach his name to crap like Dark Angel. And Lam actually went to film school.

  18. The ‘Dark Angel’ comment is a little more on target, phony, but since when does DZ care about film school? FAIL.

    Nobody believes you.

  19. “at least Ellison wouldn’t attach his name to crap like Dark Angel”

    Incidentally, I should point out that Ellison wrote for ‘The Flying Nun’ and supervised the ’80′s ‘Twilight Zone’, so I have no idea where you’re coming from with this one.

  20. Having sat through 10 years of summer shit from Michael Bay, The Wachowskis, Brett Ratner, Stephen Sommers, McG, JJ Abrams, Bryan Singer, Gore Verbinski etc. James Cameron can’t come back soon enough. An average James Cameron movie will be like a masterpiece compared to the last decade of schlock.

  21. Gordon: He wrote for the Flying Nun, but he didn’t endorse it. It was just a job for him, not his actual concept. And any remake of the Twilight Zone was never going to live up to the original.

  22. “but he didn’t endorse it.”

    Are you kidding? He put his name on it. Ellison is enough of a blowhard that he takes his name off of things that he doesn’t creatively endorse.

    But keep going, you’re starting to get the hang of how to pretend to be DZ. You sound like stupid piece of shit, just not the right stupid piece of shit.

  23. Gordon: He put his name on it, because he wants credit for his work, not because he actually liked the show. And anyway, it’s probably a WGA thing, too.

    “You sound like stupid piece of shit”

    I like when people who fuck up their grammar call other people stupid.

  24. You’re not even trying to sound like DZ anymore, phoney.

    Ellison had far more to do with the ’80′s ‘Twilight Zone’ than Cameron had to do with ‘Dark Angel’, and his name was all over it, specifically for his “Creative” work.

    And the idea that the WGA doesn’t allow writers to write under psuedonyms is too stupid to respond to.

  25. Gordon: “Ellison had far more to do with the ’80′s ‘Twilight Zone’ than Cameron had to do with ‘Dark Angel’, ”

    When Ellison casts someone as talentless as Alba and produces Sci-Fi Channel-quality television, then we’ll talk.

    “And the idea that the WGA doesn’t allow writers to write under psuedonyms is too stupid to respond to.”

    Well, the WGA’s known for screwing writers out of screen credit, so anything’s possible.

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