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Thing is, the way this stuff works if the Israelis ARE going to attack Iran, they’ve almost-certainly already let us know about it and we’ve already got our “to do list” made.
It’s rock and hard place time, really. The Israelis have no real choice here: If Iran has a nuke, they’re going to use it on them. The ONLY reason Iran wants a nuke is so that they can “do something” to the Israelis and become the new most-loved-dudes among the MASSIVE anti-semite population of the Middle East. In addition, Iran has literally NOTHING to lose except citizens that they demonstrably don’t care about: Bomb Israel, and they’re heroes to a frighteningly-large segement of the Muslim World. GET BOMBED by Israel, and they’re MARTYRS… which is even better.
There’s a school of thought thats been out there for a few weeks since Obama announced the removal of missiles from Europe that said removal actually has something to do with this: That “we” did this as a quid-pro-quo to Russia in exchange for them “staying out of it” when Israel vs. Iran heats up. That’s looking kinda plausible to me right now.
Good thing the desk was there to hide Michael Rubin’s erection.
MovieBob, it’s not just about Iran trying to gain favor. These people believe they must destroy Israel to usher in the 12th Imam. They’re religious fanatics, and we’ve all seen what lengths these fundamentalists will go to.
Israel is in a bad spot. Do something, and the world hates them. Don’t do something and run the risk of being annihilated.
My prediction: They’ll attack the plants. Gas prices spike. Economic catastrophe.
I dunno. Why can’t they just put a hit on Ahmadinejad? It’s not ’53, or even ’78, anymore, after all.
Bob: I doubt Iranians can play the martyr card, considering the shit they started after the revolution. Hell, when Syria wants to play nice with Israel just to stop that country from getting nukes, you know they’ve burned one too many bridges in the Arab world. My feeling is
My concerns are: 1) Any intervention will be used to justify our venture into Iraq; 2) We’ll have the same shitty planning we went to in Iraq, and it ends up blowing in our faces; and 3) They’ll bring back the draft. Oh, yeah, forgot one. Even if Russia will give us a pass, we still have to worry about China and N. Korea.
Anyway, Leo’s next.
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MGM is fucked(ahttp://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15251/mgm-s-future-in-dire-straits-gain).
Why is the one time Europeans don’t exhibit anti-Semitism is when they’re defending a pedophile?
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Good for you, Lloyd.
DH link didn’t work. http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15251/mgm-s-future-in-dire-straits-gain
*My feeling is Iran is using nukes as leverage more than anything.*
Anyway, I guess http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/09/29/tomo/index.html will make Jeff feel a bit better.
Israel IS in a tight spot. If they make a move against Iran the world community will hate them. Then again if they do nothing, the world community will hate them. If they try to broker some kind of peace accord with Iran or anyone else in that part of the world the world community will hate them.
Basically, as long as they exist, the world community will hate them. But not because of centuries-ingrained anti-semitism, no, not that. Just…because.
But maybe the United Nations will…… (yeah right)
I suspect any attack on Iran by Israel would have to be a conventional one that would include use of U.S.-supplied bunker buster bombs of the kind developed over the years at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida.But every once in a while a senior Israeli politician hints that Israel is capable of much more. That’s because thanks to plutonium from the Dimona reactor in the Negev desert ,Israel has at least somewhere around 100 nuclear weapons and is capable of producing more. I was surprised to hear a guest speculate on The Daily Show Monday that Iran may have stopped its program after only going part way.But I still don’t think attacking such a totally wacky country, is a good idea at the moment.
Travis: The real issue is the fact that the last guy who was President fucked up the geo-political stability of the region. So going after Iran might be all it takes to convince the other Arab countries to jump Israel again. And since we’re still tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan, we might not be able to bail Israel out this time. No, I don’t like the “anti-Zionists”, either, but the mess in Iraq is the only real reason we’re kissing Ahmadinejad’s ass.
And I imagine that’s also ironically the reason the Israelis are biding their time on the issue, too.
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Look, I’m an unapologetic supporter of Israel about 99% of the time in these matters AND I’ve zero affection for leadership of Iran; but the notion that “all” of the Muslim World is fundamentalist or that “all” of them are into I’madinnerjacket’s end of days hangups just doesn’t have much evidence to support it in reality. And even if not, this isn’t a “why” problem. The fact is, the way one becomes a rock-star in the Muslim World is to make a move on Israel OR to have a move made on them by Israel, which makes Iran a (literal) ticking time-bomb right now.
I’m not terribly optimistic, I’m afraid, that there’s a way out of this that doesn’t involve military action of some kind. Hell, it’s entirely plausible that the U.S. might have to make the move JUST so it isn’t an “Israeli thing” to keep the region from going completely nuts; and that would NOT be good for us. My only shred of optimism comes from the knowledge that the Israelis are still supposed to have the best covert/”wetworks” apparatus on the planet, and therefore if it IS possible to turn this off by sneaking in and dissapearing the “bad apples” they’d be the ones who could do it, but I dunno.
he never said he wants to “wipe Israel off the face of the map,” it was an inaccurate translation.
but hey, don’t let that stop you from spreading the disinfo.
This guy in Iran is such a bad actor…..he will
start the war just to progress the Islamic ways.
Israel will have no choice, the US is over a barrel
and has BHO as pres. Looks like rain to me.
Mighty, what was the correct translation? Because every time you ask him or his ilk, ‘do you recognize the right of Israel to exist?’, their answer is always the same: ‘we recognize that Israel exists now.’ Chilling, no?
“Good thing the desk was there to hide Michael Rubin’s erection.”
An AEI guy thinks that there’s a good chance Israel will attack Iran — the very definition of “dog-bite-man” story.
I personally think the U.S. needs to stay out of this altogether. Fuck treaties, fuck oil prices, fuck it all. This damned conflict between Israel and the Muslims has gotten so tiresome and so costly that I say let it play itself out. If one of these two gets annihilated, then so be it – it’s Darwin in action.
The United States has been trying to make peace in the region for forty years, but these two sides simply do not want peace. In second grade, when two kids couldn’t agree on something, they fought it out on the playground. Perhaps it’s time to try that here.
I realize there are a lot of Jews in high places in America, but I do not understand the idea that America need to run to the aid of Israel every time they have a fucking nosebleed.
“the last President fucked up the geopolitical stability of the region”?
What’s that DeeZee? Are you serious? I know you never want to miss a chance to blame everything up to your burnt toast on G.W.B. but come on. Like everything over there was just candy trees and chocolate rivers and campfire songs until Bush came in and got everyone mad at each other? Really?!
So Bush’s self proclaimed “crusade” against the “axis of evil” and subsequent invasion of Iraq for no reason, did NOTHING to upset stability in the Middle East? Nothing at all?
“I realize there are a lot of Jews in high places in America, but I do not understand the idea that America need to run to the aid of Israel every time they have a fucking nosebleed.”
“Jews” have a neglibible minority in the economics and entertainment industries. There’s nowhere CLOSE to enough of them at any level throughout the hive of WASPs making up the government, military and even broader business sector in this country or in the Western world for such a conspiracy to WORK even if it were to exist in the first place.
What IS IT about Israel, and Jewish people in particular, that makes people NEED to conjure elaborate Dan Brown bullshit to “explain” things that aren’t even especially complicated? The U.S. has a boatload of economic and security interests in a region currently dominated by unfriendly governments, it makes perfect logistical common sense that we would offer consistent support to the ONE ally that we do have.
Why does this compulsion only seem to apply to the Jews? Why do we never hear elaborate conspiracy theories about why we generally support India over Pakistan, or South over North Korea, or why we “still” technically have a treaty with Taiwan to protect them from China? The U.S. isn’t an isolationist country. We have allies, often in local conflicts of non-immediate strategic import to us. Why is that only a scandal when it involves Jews?
“So Bush’s self proclaimed “crusade” against the “axis of evil” and subsequent invasion of Iraq for no reason, did NOTHING to upset stability in the Middle East? Nothing at all?”
If you look at the Middle East prior to Bush, and can honestly call it “stable,” then you have a pretty lousy definition of the word.
It’s time for the Jews to unleash the dogs of war on these idiots. DZ, even if we did a hit on that clown in the members only jacket, it doesn’t matter cause he’s small potatoes. It’s the Islamic Council that runs Iran and you’d have to, in the least, take everyone of them out to affect true change.
It’s time for the kid gloves to come out. oh yeah, don’t forget that the Jews are capable of taking on all the Middle East and will do so to survive.
God bless ‘em.
Mowkeka, do the math:
Iran and Iraq were at war with each other for 8 years. We supported Iraq. The war ended in a stalemate, both sides exhausted. Then we invaded Iraq, destabilized the country, and while we were pursuing a worthless war, Iran was left without a regional enemy of any size, and basically grew into a regional superpower. Hussein was a monster, but he was also a buffer against an ranian superstate. Whoops, no longer! Thank you, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld.
jas: Israel’s been proven capable of going against actual countries. But I’m not sure if it could handle Hamas/Hezbollah-style guerilla warfare and fundies with their fingers on the button at the same time. Especially when its backup is currently trying to get the fuck out of Iraq with its tail between its legs, and considering doing the same for Afghanistan. At least after ‘Nam, we still were economically strong enough to hold our own against the Russkies. But, now, we’re walking on egg-shells, just so China doesn’t get tired of holding our currency and replacing it with the Euro.
Bush[and Clinton] totally fucked us in every way possible, and we’re just lucky to still be able to have any standing at the U.N.
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