Money

I’ve seen Martin Scorsese‘s Shutter Island (Paramount, 2.10) and am holding my water. But the latest tracking is looking really good for it. Three weeks from opening and it has almost 40% definite interest in all four quadrants. This should translate into $30 to $35 million on opening weekend. Not everyone is going to like or love it, I’m guessing, but 40% DI in all four groups hasn’t been seen since…what, Sherlock Holmes?

56 thoughts on “Money

  1. Eloi Manning on said:

    In a roundabout way it’s probably benefited from having the longest damn marketing campaign of all time thanks to the altered release date. I’ve been seeing the trailer before practically every film for the last 9 months or so. At least it feels that way. I can practically recite the whole thing.

    “We are dooly appointed federal mahshalls.”

    “It’s as if she evaporated… straight through the walls.”

  2. I’ve heard a lot of darn good buzz about. A lot of crtitics and test audiences have hinted at how good it is without giving anything away due to contractual reasons.

  3. While out driving just yesterday, I saw a SHUTTER ISLAND billboard and after a moment I realized what was bothering me about it: nowhere on it does it have Scorsese’s name.

    Seeing how every aspect of a film’s marketing is researched to death, does this mean that Paramount found that using it would make people less likely to see it? I know that after GANGS OF NEW YORK, THE AVIATOR and THE DEPARTED the old excitement of a new Martin Scorsese film is pretty much dead for me.

  4. Personally I’m enjoying this DiCaprio/Scorsese partnership, and the fact that in each movie Leo has gotten better. I remember the Gangs of New York stories about DiCaprio’s excessive partying. Seems like Scorcese has become a pretty good mentor.

  5. I could see that it turned off the popcorn thriller audience by making them think it was arty Oscar bait. “From the director of The Age of Innocence and Kundun!”

  6. I don’t know why Gangs of New York gets such a bad rap. It’s great fun. It has some excellent Deadwood-esque dialogue and a great performance from DDL. The romantic subplot is a bit of a waste of time, mind.

  7. “In a roundabout way it’s probably benefited from having the longest damn marketing campaign of all time thanks to the altered release date.”

    The one that feels like it’s been coming forever to me is The Road. It feels anticlimactic now, especially opening next to Book of Eli. Why didn’t it play in November when there was some discussion of it?

    By the way, Jeff, I just noticed -30- over there on the Most Wanted. It’s actually in the Warner Archive Collection. Also, The Devils is ’70 or ’71, I think.

  8. “I don’t know why Gangs of New York gets such a bad rap. It’s great fun.”

    It’s enjoyable scene by scene, I just thought ultimately its message was, “Too bad we don’t have ongoing ethnic strife like Belfast or Sarajevo!”

    I really thought it had the wrong plot for its setup. What would have made a much stronger drama would have been to make Leonardo the unwitting villain– by the time he gets out, people like Bill the Butcher have made their accommodation with the machine and the Irish have become part of it, but Leo’s stuck in the past and so he stirs up all the trouble again in the name of ethnic pride. That would have been truer to how these things work, and more tragic. As it is, the ethnic riots just kind of happen, and it just turns into a movie about a nice guy and girl with a scary boss chasing them.

  9. Actually The Road did play in November (I saw it Thanksgiving Day). If it hasn’t gotten to your area by now, it never will, unless it gets some unexpected Oscar noms next week.

    Hell, A Serious Man comes out on DVD next week — I’m sure The Road won’t be far behind

  10. Once you view Gangs of New York for what it really is (a Western that takes place on the east coast), it’s actually quite great.

  11. Saw the trailer for Shutter Island before Up in the Air. Trailer intrigued me so much I read the book. Good read, batted about .500 on the twists.

    “Not everyone is going to like it or love it” is faint praise indeed. Jeff, did you dislike the movie, or just the ending?

  12. I continue to fail to understand what Leo brings to these huge movies. He seems terribly miscast in almost everything in the last dozen years. And what is Scorsese’s ongoing fascination with him? He’s certainly an actor with skills, especially as a kid, but… So what am I missing? Enlighten me. Tell me why I’m stupid.

  13. If that’s true, it’s nice to know Leo will finally have a hit on his own name after Titanic. Assuming it didn’t go over-budget like all the other movies he and Marty have done together, of course.

    Deathtongue: Hey, Aviator was great!

    bob: He wasn’t as fat back then. He looked more metrosexual. Plus, he represented teen rebellion when his character blew dick for coke, I guess….

    Joshua: Leo is the key to Marty’s accessibility with the 18-25 demo.

  14. If you don;t like DiCaprio at this stage of his career, there’s no sense trying now. I didn’t care for him until I saw marvin’s Room. Maybe start there, and see his growth. Miscast? According to what standards? The only arguable miscast might be The Aviator. The others are solid. And DeeZee makes a good point about DiCaprio being good for Scorcese’s demo.

  15. Raygo: Didn’t say I don’t like DiCaprio, or that he’s not a good actor. I’m saying he hasn’t aged well into many of the roles he’s recently played. “Marvins’s Room” has to be more than a dozen years ago! He was excellent in that, but so what? The significant miscasting (which you aknowledge) in “Aviator” calls into question all of Marty’s decisions re: Leo. Although I do think he was more than adequate in “The Departed” (one of my least favorite Scorsese films).

  16. I could see that it turned off the popcorn thriller audience by making them think it was arty Oscar bait. “From the director of The Age of Innocence and Kundun!”

  17. “In a roundabout way it’s probably benefited from having the longest damn marketing campaign of all time thanks to the altered release date.”

    The one that feels like it’s been coming forever to me is The Road. It feels anticlimactic now, especially opening next to Book of Eli. Why didn’t it play in November when there was some discussion of it?

    By the way, Jeff, I just noticed -30- over there on the Most Wanted. It’s actually in the Warner Archive Collection. Also, The Devils is ’70 or ’71, I think.

  18. He’s not miscast in The Aviator, once you realize that the whole point of making a movie about Hughes is to imitate Citizen Kane. By the end he’s a perfect double for Welles in Kane makeup.

  19. “I don’t know why Gangs of New York gets such a bad rap. It’s great fun.”

    It’s enjoyable scene by scene, I just thought ultimately its message was, “Too bad we don’t have ongoing ethnic strife like Belfast or Sarajevo!”

    I really thought it had the wrong plot for its setup. What would have made a much stronger drama would have been to make Leonardo the unwitting villain– by the time he gets out, people like Bill the Butcher have made their accommodation with the machine and the Irish have become part of it, but Leo’s stuck in the past and so he stirs up all the trouble again in the name of ethnic pride. That would have been truer to how these things work, and more tragic. As it is, the ethnic riots just kind of happen, and it just turns into a movie about a nice guy and girl with a scary boss chasing them.

  20. Damn, just how many movies come out the next two weeks?

    It seems like there’s a dozen big new releases on Feb 5 and Feb 14–

    Dear John, that Travolta thing, Yellow Handkerchief, Valentine’s Day, Shutter Island just to name a few; For people who work during the week, that’s like three trips to the movies each weekend.

    Too goddamn much.

  21. He’s tremendous in “The Aviator,” he bored me to death in “Gangs of New York.” Overall, I’m a fan – looking forward to “Inception”.

  22. …and IMDB is saying SHUTTE RISLAND is coming out the 19th….

    If it’s out the 10th, it’s going up against WOLFMAN and VALENTINE’S DAY, two movies I’m not so sure it’s gonna beat. (Not to mention PERCY JACKSON, whatever that is.)

  23. Eloi:

    “You’re like rats in a maze!”

    Seriously, the last time I had to see a trailer anywhere near THIS many times was, for some reason, THE INVISIBLE, that Goyer thing with Justin Chatwin. Ran before every movie for months and months.

    But I’ve NEVER seen a trailer as much as Shutter Island; Eloi is right. It’s run before nearly every single movie for seemingly a year, regardless of the movie you’re seeing. I’ve seen probably 55, 60 movies in the last six months. Conservatively, I’d guess the Shutter Island spot played before *40* of those. Easily.

    I swear I’ve heard the movie-savvy audience at the Arclight GROANING when it comes up, so sick is everybody of seeing it.

  24. I walked into the theater just as the Shutter Island trailer started up. I chose to walk out and stand outside and stare at the wall for three minutes just to avoid seeing it again. I simply cannot take anymore. Please make it stop.

  25. Wasn’t The Soloist’s trailer out even longer?

    But yeah, having read the book and seen the trailer about a dozen times I feel like I’ve seen the movie, and have no anticipation left.

  26. Good call; The Soloist is a runner-up, and I remember going to see something at some AMC a few weeks before its release, and pulling a bulltron and waiting in the corridor rather than sitting through that trailer for the hundredth time.

  27. Do teen girls still love DiCaprio? Some do. In the meantime the guy has actually aged and is now, what, 35 years old. Imagine that. If they don’t love him in this, I’m betting Inception will be a little more enticing. He actually looks really cool in those suits with his hair slicked back. Why Arnie’s all growed up!!! How the hell did that happen?

  28. Yeah, Leo’s definitely grown up, but still, wrap your mind around this At 35 years old:

    He’s the age Burt Young was in ROCKY 1.

    The age Bruce Willis was in LAST BOY SCOUT.

    Clint in GOOD, BAD, UGLY (roughly)

    De Niro in THE DEER HUNTER

    You know people age differently today when you consider that *EMINEM* is the same age Sean Connery was in You Only Live Twice. (Now go picture 007 floating a cap in RoccaWear all blinged out in baggy shorts circa 1967 and rapping about his dick.)

  29. I’ll stand by Dicaprio in ‘The Aviator’. If you want to argue he looks a little too young, okay, maybe (he kind of always does), but he also ages twenty years largely through acting and posture.

    I don’t think he’s great in ‘The Departed’, and he’s definitely miscast in ‘Gangs of New York’. Of the four, ‘The Aviator’ is the one he originated, and hired Scorsese for, as far as I understand.

  30. Lex, another is Kevin Costner. He was DiCaprio’s age when he was starring in Dances with Wolves, and was thoroughly convincingly as a middle aged man in JFK the next year.

  31. Anyway, I always thought DiCaprio was working against his strengths. He should have put his baby-face to work in some romantic comedies, and done for the last decade what Hanks did for the 90s. Catch Me If You Can was the closest he came to that. Come on Leo, put a smile on that face.

  32. He’s not miscast in The Aviator, once you realize that the whole point of making a movie about Hughes is to imitate Citizen Kane. By the end he’s a perfect double for Welles in Kane makeup.

  33. Yeah, DiCaprio loves to work against his “strengths” if you want to call it that. Or you could just as well say he loves to take on roles that challenge his “strengths”. Like Brando once said, something to the effect that you have to be willing to try different things and even if you fall flat on your face, you just get up and keep trying. Still I do get what some folks are saying which is that he should try comedy more. He actually did have some pretty funny moments in Aviator come to think of it. Besides when you do comedy well, you win people over. They like it when you’re funny. But I’ll take it on most people’s word (who’ve actually seen it) that he’s quite good in SI. I also thought he was the major beating heart of The Departed, the only character that most people cared about. When he got killed, I actually heard some folks gasp in the theater.

  34. Well, Lex G, you are quite a phenom aren’t you? Having seen so many movies in the past 6 months….. Do You Have a Life, My BOY? Or are you a film critic for a living? If so, you do have my sympathies. I can’t imagine sitting through not just Shutter Island, which seems almost thoughtful by comparison, but most of the in your face, insipid, and eardrum busting bullshit trailers that play before movies nowadays. Not, of course, to mention the din of advertisement for cars, phones and other garbage that now precedes the show.

  35. “Do You Have a Life, My BOY?”

    Er, okay… be a little weirder, dude. Heh, just kidding. But yeah, people are always like, “You don’t know what it’s like to have kids, you can’t go to the movies!” or “I have a life and friends, I don’t have time to go to the movies,” etc etc.

    But I always thought, hey, if you really love movies, you should love seeing just about everything that’s out there. I can have a perfectly good time at a shitty movie, I’m just happy to be in a theater. Christ, Tarantino’s probably a trillion times busier than any of you guys wheeling, dealing, shooting in Europe and hitting on actresses, and he still makes the time to hit the Arclight or the Vista every weekend.

    And, really, it’s not THAT time-consuming or indicative of “no life.”

    I hit one matinee first show on Saturday, and I’ve got the whole day from 2pm on to have a life; Either the same thing Sunday, or catch one of those $6 AMC showings on a weekday before work or on a break– bam, 100 movies a year without really trying or living inside a theater like a freak.

    And anyone who loves movies or posts here, I’d like to think you love film enough to keep up with it like that, not have it as a five-times-a-year splurge.

  36. ^YepYepYep.

    I’m normally one of his harshest critics, but Lex has been on fire lately with some of his observations. As such, I dedicate the following rant (pretty much my own thoughts, as I agree with him), but in his unmistakable, trademark style:

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    I’ve been starting to notice this a lot lately — what GIVES with some people on this site and their condescending attitude towards people that actually make an EFFORT to go out of their way to see films? Isn’t that why sites like this EXIST in the first place?

    I don’t doubt that people are busy — hell, a lot BUSIER than I am — but why does that mean you need to SPIT in the face of the avid, PASSIONATE cinema-goers who make an active effort to go to actual THEATERS to experience CINEMA the way it was meant to be experienced?

    Because let’s face it: a lot of you COUCH POTATOES laying around in MAN-SLIPPERS that enjoy your movies from the comfort of your own 52″ plasma screen at home would never be afforded the LUXURY if it wasn’t for the hard-earned matinee bucks that I’ve plunked down fairly consistently month-after-month to check out the first-run offerings that come down the gutter at the local MULTI-PLEX or ARTHOUSE.

    Also, I understand a lot of you people with families are too busy and too responsibilified to make frequent trips out to the theater, but a lesser known fact is that a lot of you are also LAZY and have lost your PASSION and HUNGER for watching films many years — if not DECADES — ago. Let’s face it — if you really want to — you can ALWAYS make the time to do something you want to do. Especially the MARRIED people without kids, they have got to be the BORINGEST people EVER. Because they don’t ever do or watch ANYTHING, they just sit around and TALK about the possibilities, as if it was some sort of jury deliberation for a LIFE SENTENCE (ANATOMY OF A CUCKOLD??).

    In short, married people with kids SUCK because their kids always get in my fucking way during pupblic SCREENINGS, married people without kids SUCK because they’re as boring as the entire first season of JERSEY SHORE combined.

    I RULE because I go out and support movies I like with my own hard-earned DOUGH just like TARANTINO. I only wish I was banging ROSARIO DAWSON, or better yet MARY ELIZABETH WINSTEAD (apologies to VANESSA FERLITO — whose face looks not unvaguely like MR. ED — and TRACIE THOMS — who looks like she could probably kick my ass with her VAGINA tied behind her back).

    LEYKIS 4 EVA!

  37. Okay, so that was a little longer than I intended (I probably could have watched a short film in that time!), but that’s what the fuck happens when it’s Friday night, I’m wasted, and I have a keyboard lying in front of me.

    Hopefully it amused and titillated.

    (Heh, heh, TIT. You’re not BOWING.)

  38. The Soloist is a good shout for 2nd most overplayed trailer of all time.

    “Because… he’s my friend.”

    I don’t think there’s a condescending attitude towards people that see films on this site. I think there’s a condescending attitude to people who see unapologetically commercial films. LexG is great because he understands the absolute undeniable visceral ass-kick of a high-octane, Bruckheimer-produced, Zimmer-scored badass action spectacular, together with the subtle pleasures of the films that Wells typically recommends.

    There are lots of folks who think it’s some kind of betrayal of their intellectual credentials to admit enjoying a popcorn flick. Just look at the writers at ThePlaylist. It’s a great blog for reporting the news and updates on a wide variety of projects, but their ‘Best Of’ lists and reviews are painfully hipster and anti-establishment in an embarrassing student way. They apologize for liking something commercial, as if it’s a bad thing. Gabe Toro is the worst; he’s Fabfunk off the CHUD boards. An angry hairy NY internet warrior. No wonder they all like Where The Wild Things Are. It’s pretentious and wanky.

    It’s like, earlier on this week someone defended Ryan Gosling against the charge of being a boring bastard by saying how he’s making “good” films instead of “commercial trash” or something; as if Blue Valentine is some kind of triumph compared to Star Trek. Is it really? It looks like two hipsters having arguments, to me. But it’s not “commercial” therefore it’s good, right?

    Anyway, I’m drunk and I’ve forgotten my original point. I saw Zooey Deschanel tonight in a cafe in the LES. She is very small and it took me about ten looks to confirm it was her. She’s not that hot. That bit in 500 Days of Summer when the narrator says she makes every guy go wild is exaggerated. She’s a nice looking girl but she wouldn’t stun you if she was normal.

  39. Lex and Citizen, well done.

    The other thing I’ve noticed on here is that many of the alleged “film lovers” want to be the first to take a shit on any mainstream film. As if this makes them smart, or above, those of us that can enjoy something from Takashi Miike one minute and Chris Nolan the next.

    I just feel bad that many of them don’t really love movies.

  40. Kaned: Ha! AWESOME.

    Yeah, I’m totally aware that not everybody NEEDS to see Leap Year or When in Rome or Legion or Daybreakers in the theater for 12 bucks a pop… I sort of go overboard in the completism department, so, no, I don’t REALLY think everyone has to see 104 movies a year to have a valid point of view.

    But it’s more that whole “I’M TOO BUSY I HAVE SUCH A GREAT LIFE, you’re a LOSER for spending all your time (ie, four measly hours a week) in a theater, plus I have to HIRE A BABYSITTER and spend 10 bucks for parking and buy 30 dollars of refreshments and with commercials and trailers and the 40-minute drive to the threater it’s a FOUR HOUR INVESTMENT, etc etc etc.”

    I realize to most people, going to the movies is A NIGHT AT THE MOVIES, getting the gang or the gal pals together and sitting dead-center at the most crowded show of the day and gorging on snacks… But if you see it as SEEING A MOVIE and not some night-out spectactor sport, you can drop into a matinee solo and be home in two, three hours… You can even buy a popcorn and still get in and out for under 15 bucks.

    Plus, you know, a LOT of the people on here and Poland’s blog who pull that I’m so busy! shtick apparently aren’t so busy that they can POST ON THE INTERNET for hours at a time and all weekend.

    There’s a guy on Poland’s blog who’s on there day and night, jumping into the conversations about every new movie, then qualifying it with “but I actually haven’t seen it because I’m just too busy making my own movies to go SEE movies.” But I swear the dude’ll spend 6, 7 hours total rambling about some unseen shit he could just go watch in 2.

  41. Good for the movie goers here!!! Who knew??? But seriously, guys (and girls?), I’d love to watch that many movies in 6 months but so many are a pain to sit through. But, every now and then…….

  42. It is funny that everyone is mentioning how long the trailer for Shutter Island has been playing. One of my friends and I were just commenting on that the other day. I agree that The Soloist and The invisible are up there for the most overplayed movie trailers of all time. However, I still think that K19:The Widowmaker gets that honor. That trailer seemed to play before every movie I saw for like a year straight before it came up. Shutter Island does look interesting. I think I will check it out.

  43. One may comment on how long the SI trailer has been playing but I still find it more interesting than most trailers that play in front of the featured film. I remember it better for one thing. That may be a problem for some of the folks here. Generally I tune out on the most obnoxious and loud trailers that play because they are so off-putting but something about SI gets under your skin and stays there. Whether for good or bad.

    Also, it’s interesting to me just how polarizing an actor DiCaprio is. On every website where there is supposed to be a discussion of his films, it usually devolves into a discussion on Leo — why he’s great or why he’s terrible. I can’t think of many other actors where this seems to be so frequent. For me, the fact that he’s survived for, what, going on 20+ years in the biz and still seems to be going strong is not an indication that he’s terrible or always makes bad choices. Just that he’s smart and reasonably reliable.

  44. Good, Lex GARY THE GADGET GUY, you’re a good phenom usually are not a person? Possessing noticed a great number of motion pictures during the past Six months….. Are there any Living, Our YOUNGSTER? As well as do you think you’re any roll film critic for any existing? If that’s the case, you are doing own our sympathies. POST are unable to think about seated via not Shutter Tropical isle, which often feels practically careful in comparison, nonetheless almost all within your skin, insipid, in addition to eardrum busting bullshit trailers which perform previous to motion pictures at present. Not necessarily, certainly, to say that noise regarding advert with regard to motors, telephones and various crap which right now precedes that present.

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