18 thoughts on “Well Said

  1. dpjlegendary on said:

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  2. Jeff –

    If you get a chance to watch the whole 60 minute exchange, it’s remarkable. Obama is a true absolute master; the republicans are amazingly respectful but Obama just showed them up to an incredible degree. Every I get down on Obama I’m gonna have to watch that video again to remind me of how much he rocks…

  3. Lazespud is right. I’ve been feeling down on the Prez for weeks and watching this makes me happy he’s up in the top office. I don’t agree with him about 60% of the time, but ye gods he is a motherfucking grown up… quite refreshing after 8 years of cackling cowboys whose interests seemed based entirely on outdated, antiquated notions of masculinity.

  4. I know this is just going to be used to bash the GOP, but really, I thought this was one of the best things any form of government has done in this country for years.

    Actual give and take, in which Obama, who has seemed unmistakably like a guy who checked President off on his resume and was ready to move on, is actually engaged, knowledgeable (unlike the guy who completely botched his description of the Supreme Court ruling a couple of nights before) and passionate about his plan. Where have they been hiding this guy? And can they do this every month from now on?

  5. Lazespud, +1.

    If Obama doesn’t start swinging back, he will be a one term president. This exchange a few days back with the GOP is a move in the right direction.

  6. I know this is just going to be used to bash the GOP, but really, I thought this was one of the best things any form of government has done in this country for years.

    Actual give and take, in which Obama, who has seemed unmistakably like a guy who checked President off on his resume and was ready to move on, is actually engaged, knowledgeable (unlike the guy who completely botched his description of the Supreme Court ruling a couple of nights before) and passionate about his plan. Where have they been hiding this guy? And can they do this every month from now on?

  7. The problem is, though, that this isn’t swingijng back. This isn’t fighting. This is Obama taking the high road and still beging to have bipartisnaship (because that’s worked so well for the last year). We all feel better that Obama is president, but nothing gets accomplished.

    And I hate to say it, but we have a diplomat when what we needed was a brawler. We need someone who can bring the fight to the Republicans and make them afraid to go back to their constituents and say, “Yeah, I’m in the health insurance industry’s pockets, and I killed a bill that would have lowered your costs and kept you from being denied coverage.” But Obama hasn’t been attacking on the stregth of his bill. Instead, we get this weak call for civility that sounds good and changes nothing about the debate.

  8. Me, the problem with your notion is that it’s not the Republicans who cut backroom deals with Big Insurance and Big Pharma. The Republicans have been, until Brown, irrelevant to the process. And it’s the average voter who rebelled against the crooked process created entirely by Dems.

    You can’t fight if you’re kidding yourself about what happened and how we got here.

  9. Me,

    The problem, in my opinion, is that some liberals are far more interested in FIGHTING even at the expense of getting things done.

    For example on a popular liberal web site, a regular contributor has been beating the “kill the bill” drum for WEEKS now (re: Health Care), but yesterday when Rahm Emmanuel said in an interview that the health care bill may have to be delayed, this very same contributor went batshit crazy. Why? Because, obviously, Rahm Emmanuel = the devil incarnate and if he is for something than she is, in the most knee-jerk fashion possible, against it and vice versa. Never mind that he actually was saying the very same thing that she had been saying FOR WEEKS. (For the record I don’t support delaying the health care bill, I just used this as an example to illustrate my point).

    Do you see how liberals tend to step all over their own message time and again?

    Fighting has its place in politics, but if liberals (who in total make up less than one-quarter of the population) can’t demonstrate to at least a majority of the population that they can be counted on to govern for them, and their policies/positions be designed to benefit moderates and maybe even some conservatives as well, then it’s all over.

    Politics is about governing for PEOPLE, not getting even with Rahm Emmanuel, Joe Lieberman and/or George W. Bush.

    The main problem, I guess, is that your style of politics is condusive mostly to opposition politics and not so much to governing. This is why liberals, and their policies, are often marginalized. It’s nice to think that it’s because there is this major conspiracy underfoot to undermine them, but in reality it’s because liberals undermine their own positions with stupid tactics such as the ones you are advocating.

  10. Face it, Obama HAD to do this; the Brown election looks like the beginning of something bigger; his approval numbers are Cheney-like; his crowd on the Hill, which apparently hasn’t been getting much guidance from the White House, is sounding more and more like they’re willing to proceed (in any and all directions) without him.

    Give him credit, Obama rolled up his sleeves, got in there and gave as good as he got. But you have to give credit to the Republicans, too. Badly outnumbered, they made their case to the people, got some traction, and now the President is coming to them asking for help.

    Maybe a good sign for the democracy, but the day is young.

  11. KRush,

    Are you on crack? What poll has Obama’s approval rating at Dick Cheney levels? This is the problem with conservatives: they start spewing nonsense, require everyone agree with them right or wrong, and then begin believing their nonsense is actually true.

    You people DO NOT live in the real world.

  12. Here’s the Obama I voted for.

    He made a lot of strong points: in villifying the opposition of your party you give yourself no room for bi-partisan bill efforts. Let’s go at this bill rationally and professionally and leave the fringe “grassroots” and moveon groups aside.

  13. Me, the problem with your notion is that it’s not the Republicans who cut backroom deals with Big Insurance and Big Pharma. The Republicans have been, until Brown, irrelevant to the process. And it’s the average voter who rebelled against the crooked process created entirely by Dems.

    You can’t fight if you’re kidding yourself about what happened and how we got here.

  14. “Me, the problem with your notion is that it’s not the Republicans who cut backroom deals with Big Insurance and Big Pharma. The Republicans have been, until Brown, irrelevant to the process.”

    Are. You. Kidding?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0527833720070305

    “Democrats who now control Congress have criticized the Medicare prescription drug plan, which a Republican-led Congress passed in 2003, because it barred the government from negotiating prices.”

    That’s the Republican President and the Republican Congress back in 2003 who barred the government from negotiating prices with Big Pharma. A gift with a big wet sloppy kiss from the Republicans to Big Pharma.

  15. dog: “Politics is about governing for PEOPLE, not getting even with Rahm Emmanuel, Joe Lieberman and/or George W. Bush.”

    Yes, because the whole impeachment over a blowjob was really about what the people wanted.

  16. I didn’t support impeachment for a blow job. Look how well their endless partisanship helped the GOP: sending them straight to the opposition benches.

    I am a Democrat who is more interested in doing things, as in enacting policies, than wasting all my energy starting fights with people who don’t agree with me on everything.

    That’s all.

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