New West

The Coen Bros. obviously wouldn’t have chosen Hailee Steinfeld to play Mattie Ross in their True Grit remake if they didn’t think she had the necessary spunk, piss and vinegar. Or if they weren’t convinced that she’ll make their beautiful Old West dialogue sing just right. But surely they understand, being wise fellows, that genetically she’s about as Zane Grey as an iPad.


(l.) Hailee Steinfeld; (r.) Ethan, Joel Coen.

Steinfeld is fetching, all right, but in a radiant and (to me) almost dazzling-JAP sort of way — she’d be right at home on the slopes at Aspen. Whereas old photographs of wimmin of the Old West show they mostly had a hard-scrubbed, Plane Jane, almost beaten-down look. Perhaps a bit more Kim Darbyish than Steinfeldy, I’m sayin’.

I can roll with Steinfeld — don’t get me wrong. It’s just going to take a bit more in the way of disbelief-suspension. (Interestingly, in their open casting call print-out for the part the Coens wrote “no makeup model types.”)

The Coens and Steinfeld and costars Jeff Bridges, Matt Damon and Josh Brolin will begin shooting True Grit in New Mexico next month. The Scott Rudin-produced Paramount film will open on 12.25.10.

By the silver standard of the 1969 Henry Hathaway True Grit (which I need to see again), Steinfeld is Darby, Bridges is John Wayne, Brolin is Robert Duvall and Damon is Glenn Campbell.

  • Nagads

    Goodbye, Hollywood Elsewhere.

  • Nagads

    Goodbye, Hollywood Elsewhere.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    This post is probably going to spark some controversy — esp. the title of the article — but all the anticipated p.c. bullshit aside, I see where you’re coming from. It’s definitely possible for actors to transform physically, but casting is still largely a pretty superficial decision.

    Steinfeld certainly doesn’t look the type, but at the same time I pretty much trust the Coen Bros. to follow their instincts at this point. It has rarely led them astray.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    This post is probably going to spark some controversy — esp. the title of the article — but all the anticipated p.c. bullshit aside, I see where you’re coming from. It’s definitely possible for actors to transform physically, but casting is still largely a pretty superficial decision.

    Steinfeld certainly doesn’t look the type, but at the same time I pretty much trust the Coen Bros. to follow their instincts at this point. It has rarely led them astray.

  • Jackrabbit Slim

    Countdown until the Jewish ADL releases a condemning press release

  • Jackrabbit Slim

    Countdown until the Jewish ADL releases a condemning press release

  • paul_kolas

    I wonder what Zane Grey would make of an iPad, Jeff, but I see your point. She;s cute as a button, but hardly the pioneer tomboy that I trust the Coens to transform her into. She must have the intrinsic qualities the boys are looking for. I can’t wait for this. And on a totally unrelated side note, I completely agree with your assessment of “Shutter Island”. What a torpid display of inconsequential misdirection. I hadn’t read Lehane’s book and saw the “twist” ending 20 minutes into the movie. Add in a lack of true tension saddled with the pseudo seriousness of the Dachau flashbacks, and what you have are the reasons this major disappointment was pushed back from October to February.

  • paul_kolas

    I wonder what Zane Grey would make of an iPad, Jeff, but I see your point. She;s cute as a button, but hardly the pioneer tomboy that I trust the Coens to transform her into. She must have the intrinsic qualities the boys are looking for. I can’t wait for this. And on a totally unrelated side note, I completely agree with your assessment of “Shutter Island”. What a torpid display of inconsequential misdirection. I hadn’t read Lehane’s book and saw the “twist” ending 20 minutes into the movie. Add in a lack of true tension saddled with the pseudo seriousness of the Dachau flashbacks, and what you have are the reasons this major disappointment was pushed back from October to February.

  • matt cousens

    A liittle Jappy, i can deal with. However, if they casted someone that was niggerish, i just don’t think it’d work.

  • matt cousens

    A liittle Jappy, i can deal with. However, if they casted someone that was niggerish, i just don’t think it’d work.

  • Ray DeRousse

    Not sure if you really need to resort to this kind of hit-baiting, Jeff.

  • Ray DeRousse

    Not sure if you really need to resort to this kind of hit-baiting, Jeff.

  • Calum

    But then again you can argue the same thing for any of the Coens female leads, before you see them in action. Yes, Hailee Steinfield is cute now but so was Kelly McDonald.

    Then No Country for Old men came out and she looked like your typical backwater, redneck type. Her accent was pretty flawless too.

    Or Francis McDormand in Fargo, looking pretty homely but in reality she is beautiful.

    And, also considering that’s a resume photo. So shes been made over in that photo.

    Let’s see, who else. Come on brain!

    Ah yes, countless times with Holly Hunter. All beautiful women, all give the Coen makeover. I have full confidence

  • Calum

    But then again you can argue the same thing for any of the Coens female leads, before you see them in action. Yes, Hailee Steinfield is cute now but so was Kelly McDonald.

    Then No Country for Old men came out and she looked like your typical backwater, redneck type. Her accent was pretty flawless too.

    Or Francis McDormand in Fargo, looking pretty homely but in reality she is beautiful.

    And, also considering that’s a resume photo. So shes been made over in that photo.

    Let’s see, who else. Come on brain!

    Ah yes, countless times with Holly Hunter. All beautiful women, all give the Coen makeover. I have full confidence

  • Glenn Kenny

    Yeah, objecting to the use of a dicey, not to mention decidedly anachronistic, ethnic stereotype is absolutely “p.c. bullshit.” I suppose we should be grateful Wells didn’t title the post “Unclean.”

  • Glenn Kenny

    Yeah, objecting to the use of a dicey, not to mention decidedly anachronistic, ethnic stereotype is absolutely “p.c. bullshit.” I suppose we should be grateful Wells didn’t title the post “Unclean.”

  • Jeffrey Wells

    Wells to matt cousens: You’re actually trying to equate the term JAP — an acronym that describes an attitude of entitlement and pedestal behavior on the part of wealthy or well-to-do ladies of the Hebrew persuasion — with the dominant early to mid 20th Century racial slur against African Americans? Ask Phillip Roth about this. Ask any semi-aware New Yorker if they consider JAP as a term that is anything other than dead-on and as reality-reflecting as they come.

  • Jeffrey Wells

    Wells to matt cousens: You’re actually trying to equate the term JAP — an acronym that describes an attitude of entitlement and pedestal behavior on the part of wealthy or well-to-do ladies of the Hebrew persuasion — with the dominant early to mid 20th Century racial slur against African Americans? Ask Phillip Roth about this. Ask any semi-aware New Yorker if they consider JAP as a term that is anything other than dead-on and as reality-reflecting as they come.

  • Jeffrey Wells

    You can say certain things at a party or on the street to a friend or what-have-you, but if you say the exact same things online people rear up. Amazing. To me JAPpy is like WASPy — same difference and who cares? I remember a columnist using the term “Arab-by” to describe Ben Kingsley’s character in “House of Sand and Fog.” I knew what he meant and nobody gave a shit or blinked an eye what he said it, but it he were to write this some Glenn Kennyish type fellow would probably take a shot. It’s such bullshit.

  • Jeffrey Wells

    You can say certain things at a party or on the street to a friend or what-have-you, but if you say the exact same things online people rear up. Amazing. To me JAPpy is like WASPy — same difference and who cares? I remember a columnist using the term “Arab-by” to describe Ben Kingsley’s character in “House of Sand and Fog.” I knew what he meant and nobody gave a shit or blinked an eye what he said it, but it he were to write this some Glenn Kennyish type fellow would probably take a shot. It’s such bullshit.

  • allstar397

    The headline…not great. But really? nothing to see here people. Jeff clarifies in the post that its basically a gut reaction based on her squeaky clean looks. If he said it to you in a coffee shop you’d probably chuckle a little. And I’m someone who thinks Jeff does cross the line on this stuff sometimes.

    That said, I wouldnt be to worried, yet plenty of examples of unexpected casting based on looks working out. (esp. in the last 10 years where pretty people love going ugly for films)

  • allstar397

    The headline…not great. But really? nothing to see here people. Jeff clarifies in the post that its basically a gut reaction based on her squeaky clean looks. If he said it to you in a coffee shop you’d probably chuckle a little. And I’m someone who thinks Jeff does cross the line on this stuff sometimes.

    That said, I wouldnt be to worried, yet plenty of examples of unexpected casting based on looks working out. (esp. in the last 10 years where pretty people love going ugly for films)

  • Glenn Kenny

    Wells, I think the last sentence of your entirely compelling counter needed to have read, ” Take a time machine back to New York between the years 1969 and 1977, and once there, ask any semi-aware New Yorker if they consider JAP as a term that is anything other than dead-on and as reality-reflecting as they come.” Because in 2010, any self-aware New Yorker, on hearing the term “JAP” dropped, will respond “Really? Are you kidding?”

  • Glenn Kenny

    Wells, I think the last sentence of your entirely compelling counter needed to have read, ” Take a time machine back to New York between the years 1969 and 1977, and once there, ask any semi-aware New Yorker if they consider JAP as a term that is anything other than dead-on and as reality-reflecting as they come.” Because in 2010, any self-aware New Yorker, on hearing the term “JAP” dropped, will respond “Really? Are you kidding?”

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    If it’s “decidedly anachronistic,” then why get so uppity about it, Glenn?

    Again, I’m not speaking for anyone but me when I say I’m not offended (I even made it pretty clear in my posts that I thought others would be offended).

    I mean, if that was honestly Wells’ first reaction to the casting decision, you know what? At least he’s being honest about it. Does that make it “right?” Absolutely not, but…

    I don’t think the vast majority of people that visit this site regularly are really that big on self-censoring one’s thoughts.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    If it’s “decidedly anachronistic,” then why get so uppity about it, Glenn?

    Again, I’m not speaking for anyone but me when I say I’m not offended (I even made it pretty clear in my posts that I thought others would be offended).

    I mean, if that was honestly Wells’ first reaction to the casting decision, you know what? At least he’s being honest about it. Does that make it “right?” Absolutely not, but…

    I don’t think the vast majority of people that visit this site regularly are really that big on self-censoring one’s thoughts.

  • matt cousens

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

    No, it’s an ethnic slur. A Japanese friend of mine got his ass beat in high school by a bunch of jocks who called him that repeatedly. Those jocks were New Yorkers if that makes you feel any better.

  • matt cousens

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

    No, it’s an ethnic slur. A Japanese friend of mine got his ass beat in high school by a bunch of jocks who called him that repeatedly. Those jocks were New Yorkers if that makes you feel any better.

  • Monument

    Really Glenn? I hear the term Jewish American Princess fairly often, even in New York.

  • Monument

    Really Glenn? I hear the term Jewish American Princess fairly often, even in New York.

  • paul_kolas

    Jeff…just to leaven the shitstorm you know you’re in for with this post…maybe the Coens are trying to make up for the generally unflattering visages on display in “A Serious Man”.

  • paul_kolas

    Jeff…just to leaven the shitstorm you know you’re in for with this post…maybe the Coens are trying to make up for the generally unflattering visages on display in “A Serious Man”.

  • Monument

    Matt, quit being stupid.

  • Monument

    Matt, quit being stupid.

  • plainview

    To everyone who already has or will make another pitchfork forum out of this:

    Do you pussies let anything slide? Does it make you feel like you’re doing some good in the world by pointing out anything and everything that could be deemed potentially offensive? You’re all a bunch of hacks. A waste of space, even by the standards of the internet.

    What kind of world do you want to live in anyway? Bury your head in the fucking ground if you don’t want to encounter controversial language and taboo topics.

    I hope Jeff’s use of the word jap keeps you up at night, cringing in the horror of having to constantly expose yourself to his terribly insensitive website.

  • plainview

    To everyone who already has or will make another pitchfork forum out of this:

    Do you pussies let anything slide? Does it make you feel like you’re doing some good in the world by pointing out anything and everything that could be deemed potentially offensive? You’re all a bunch of hacks. A waste of space, even by the standards of the internet.

    What kind of world do you want to live in anyway? Bury your head in the fucking ground if you don’t want to encounter controversial language and taboo topics.

    I hope Jeff’s use of the word jap keeps you up at night, cringing in the horror of having to constantly expose yourself to his terribly insensitive website.

  • matt cousens

    Monument and plainview need to chill, not i. Jap, Nig, same difference. No argument. Hide behind you’re screennames.

  • matt cousens

    Monument and plainview need to chill, not i. Jap, Nig, same difference. No argument. Hide behind you’re screennames.

  • Mark

    Would it help to have titled the post, “A Little JAPpy”? Cuz i don’t think people like matt cousens are being cute. i think they really doesn’t understand the reference.

  • Mark

    Would it help to have titled the post, “A Little JAPpy”? Cuz i don’t think people like matt cousens are being cute. i think they really doesn’t understand the reference.

  • Wrecktem

    Dear Jeff Wells:

    “Jap” is an extremely derogatory term for people from Japan. It doesn’t help that this young lady looks slightly Asian in her features. When I read this post, I assume you’re talking shit about Japanese people, not some semi-obscure term popular in New York City.

  • Wrecktem

    Dear Jeff Wells:

    “Jap” is an extremely derogatory term for people from Japan. It doesn’t help that this young lady looks slightly Asian in her features. When I read this post, I assume you’re talking shit about Japanese people, not some semi-obscure term popular in New York City.

  • Eloi Manning

    Given that the photo is a glamour headshot I’m sure they’ll be able to dowdy her up for the film itself. Just get her hair all tousled and grimy and stick her in some olde-time clothes and she’ll be aight. It’s good that they’re casting someone genuinely the right age for the character, and not some 21-year old playing 14.

  • Eloi Manning

    Given that the photo is a glamour headshot I’m sure they’ll be able to dowdy her up for the film itself. Just get her hair all tousled and grimy and stick her in some olde-time clothes and she’ll be aight. It’s good that they’re casting someone genuinely the right age for the character, and not some 21-year old playing 14.

  • matt cousens

    Apparently, i don’t. Besause I’m not trying to be cute, I’m really not. A friend of mine has been hurt by the word all his life. Fair enough?

  • matt cousens

    Apparently, i don’t. Besause I’m not trying to be cute, I’m really not. A friend of mine has been hurt by the word all his life. Fair enough?

  • mattn

    Being Jewish, I instinctively read “jappy” as short for “Jewish American Princess” (which I still hear occasionally, and I don’t live in New York) and not “Japanese”, but I think it is unclear from the post as written. Maybe a update (even asterisk) in the body of the post is called for here.

    Although I don’t really see it from the picture, to be honest. It is a posed head shot, after all, designed to make her look as attractive as possible. A JAP (helps to capitalize it as an acronym, BTW) has a sense of entitlement above all which I don’t really see either.

  • mattn

    Being Jewish, I instinctively read “jappy” as short for “Jewish American Princess” (which I still hear occasionally, and I don’t live in New York) and not “Japanese”, but I think it is unclear from the post as written. Maybe a update (even asterisk) in the body of the post is called for here.

    Although I don’t really see it from the picture, to be honest. It is a posed head shot, after all, designed to make her look as attractive as possible. A JAP (helps to capitalize it as an acronym, BTW) has a sense of entitlement above all which I don’t really see either.

  • Bill Bomp Whomper

    Please, please, please try and catch up with the rest of twenty-first century. And maybe post some original thoughts instead of cut and paste con jobs.

  • Bill Bomp Whomper

    Please, please, please try and catch up with the rest of twenty-first century. And maybe post some original thoughts instead of cut and paste con jobs.

  • matt cousens

    I read it exactly the way Wrecktem did.

  • matt cousens

    I read it exactly the way Wrecktem did.

  • Rich S.

    “Steinfeld is fetching, all right, but in a radiant and (to me) almost dazzling-JAP sort of way — she’d be right at home on the slopes at Aspen. Whereas old photographs of wimmin of the Old West show they mostly had a hard-scrubbed, Plane Jane, almost beaten-down look.”

    Here’s the problem. This section gets Jeffrey’s point across loud and clear – without needing to resort to the offending word. Take out “JAP” and it reads the same.

    The next time Jeffrey’s feeling down about the “pitchfork crowd,” I hope he sees that a little editorial restraint could avoid a lot of those problems.

  • Rich S.

    “Steinfeld is fetching, all right, but in a radiant and (to me) almost dazzling-JAP sort of way — she’d be right at home on the slopes at Aspen. Whereas old photographs of wimmin of the Old West show they mostly had a hard-scrubbed, Plane Jane, almost beaten-down look.”

    Here’s the problem. This section gets Jeffrey’s point across loud and clear – without needing to resort to the offending word. Take out “JAP” and it reads the same.

    The next time Jeffrey’s feeling down about the “pitchfork crowd,” I hope he sees that a little editorial restraint could avoid a lot of those problems.

  • plainview

    matt cousens –

    If I came across as brash, it’s because I’m sick of seeing decent topics on this website devolve into “Was that offensive?” debates.

    In retrospect, you’re right. I should have been more “chill”. Not because my point didn’t deserve a little punch behind it, but because its futile to try and deal with P.C. sharks. A waste of energy.

    P.S.

    I don’t get the screen name comment. If it were my full name, would you be looking me up right now? So that you could beat me up, or worse, preach to me in person?

  • plainview

    matt cousens –

    If I came across as brash, it’s because I’m sick of seeing decent topics on this website devolve into “Was that offensive?” debates.

    In retrospect, you’re right. I should have been more “chill”. Not because my point didn’t deserve a little punch behind it, but because its futile to try and deal with P.C. sharks. A waste of energy.

    P.S.

    I don’t get the screen name comment. If it were my full name, would you be looking me up right now? So that you could beat me up, or worse, preach to me in person?

  • Glenn Kenny

    “Uppity,” that’s funny, too. I’m not, like, mortally offended. I just think it’s kind of droll when someone who likes to think of himself as edgy and up-to-the-minute as Wells does uses hate speech that is, in my considered observation, kind of out-of-date. What a hepcat, and all. But maybe the problem is I hang out with too many Jews. Jews who don’t throw the term “JAP” around.

    I’m going to a book party at the very au courant Dylan’s Candy Bar this evening (non Peggy Siegal guest list!), maybe I’ll do an informal survey to see who’s right. And maybe I won’t.

  • Glenn Kenny

    “Uppity,” that’s funny, too. I’m not, like, mortally offended. I just think it’s kind of droll when someone who likes to think of himself as edgy and up-to-the-minute as Wells does uses hate speech that is, in my considered observation, kind of out-of-date. What a hepcat, and all. But maybe the problem is I hang out with too many Jews. Jews who don’t throw the term “JAP” around.

    I’m going to a book party at the very au courant Dylan’s Candy Bar this evening (non Peggy Siegal guest list!), maybe I’ll do an informal survey to see who’s right. And maybe I won’t.

  • Glenn Kenny

    Oh, I see Wells folded whilst my comment was going up.

  • Glenn Kenny

    Oh, I see Wells folded whilst my comment was going up.

  • Gordn27

    Wait, “Jap” is racist now? Interesting.

    I think the reason he shouldn’t have said it would be that “Jap” has implications about intelligence and personality, stuff he doesn’t know about just from a picture. But “racist”? Really? Odd.

  • Gordn27

    Wait, “Jap” is racist now? Interesting.

    I think the reason he shouldn’t have said it would be that “Jap” has implications about intelligence and personality, stuff he doesn’t know about just from a picture. But “racist”? Really? Odd.

  • Zach

    Maybe “Jappy” means something different coming from the mouths of curmudgeonly Pearl Harbor-era senior citizens, but I think it’s fairly obvious what he’s referring to here. Calm down, folks.

  • Zach

    Maybe “Jappy” means something different coming from the mouths of curmudgeonly Pearl Harbor-era senior citizens, but I think it’s fairly obvious what he’s referring to here. Calm down, folks.

  • matt cousens

    It’s just that i don’t consider myself a PC shark. I’m not a hack quite yet, and i’m not a pussy.A waste of space may be fair, but i don’t hide behind a false front. Of course i’m not going to try and track you down, man. I don’t want to beat anyone up. Controversial language is fine, but sometimes it brings out certain memories. The”Jewish American Princess” meaning, i was unaware of. I think of “Japs Bomb Pearl Harbor” headlines and racist white kids beating on my friends in the c corridor of my high school.

  • matt cousens

    It’s just that i don’t consider myself a PC shark. I’m not a hack quite yet, and i’m not a pussy.A waste of space may be fair, but i don’t hide behind a false front. Of course i’m not going to try and track you down, man. I don’t want to beat anyone up. Controversial language is fine, but sometimes it brings out certain memories. The”Jewish American Princess” meaning, i was unaware of. I think of “Japs Bomb Pearl Harbor” headlines and racist white kids beating on my friends in the c corridor of my high school.

  • Mark

    “Here’s the problem. This section gets Jeffrey’s point across loud and clear – without needing to resort to the offending word. Take out “JAP” and it reads the same.”

    No not really whatsoever. Take the word out, and the line makes absolutely no sense.

  • Mark

    “Here’s the problem. This section gets Jeffrey’s point across loud and clear – without needing to resort to the offending word. Take out “JAP” and it reads the same.”

    No not really whatsoever. Take the word out, and the line makes absolutely no sense.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Welp, at this point, this thread seems well on its way to 100 posts with very little specific discussion of the Coen Bros, True Grit, or Steinfeld herself.

    If I was Wells, I’d probably just take the rest of the afternoon off. Enjoy a lazy Wednesday knowing the site traffic will be constant and the web hits sufficient.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Welp, at this point, this thread seems well on its way to 100 posts with very little specific discussion of the Coen Bros, True Grit, or Steinfeld herself.

    If I was Wells, I’d probably just take the rest of the afternoon off. Enjoy a lazy Wednesday knowing the site traffic will be constant and the web hits sufficient.

  • plainview

    matt cousens-

    I was being facetious about the tracking and the beating, I thought that would be obvious, but oh well.

    I was just trying to point out that if my screen name were Jim Brown, it would be irrelevant.

    The internet needs the sarcasm punctuation mark immediately:

    http://tinyurl.com/yeftac5

    To your other point-

    Absolutely anything can evoke a bad memory, the internet is a big scary place, and every opinion stated in this forum will be forgotten. There are not going to be any major developments in ethic or religious tolerance on Hollywood-Elsewhere. This is a movie site. Go study racial politics at Hampshire if you get your kicks out of that kind of speculation.

  • plainview

    matt cousens-

    I was being facetious about the tracking and the beating, I thought that would be obvious, but oh well.

    I was just trying to point out that if my screen name were Jim Brown, it would be irrelevant.

    The internet needs the sarcasm punctuation mark immediately:

    http://tinyurl.com/yeftac5

    To your other point-

    Absolutely anything can evoke a bad memory, the internet is a big scary place, and every opinion stated in this forum will be forgotten. There are not going to be any major developments in ethic or religious tolerance on Hollywood-Elsewhere. This is a movie site. Go study racial politics at Hampshire if you get your kicks out of that kind of speculation.

  • matt cousens

    Plainview-

    Sigh. I know you were being facetious. You were also being a cunt.

  • matt cousens

    Plainview-

    Sigh. I know you were being facetious. You were also being a cunt.

  • Travis Crabtree

    LIghten up.

    Y’all sound like a buncha homo Spaniards.

  • Travis Crabtree

    LIghten up.

    Y’all sound like a buncha homo Spaniards.

  • George Prager

    At the upstate NY college I attended, JAPS called each other JAPS. They were from Long Island, Weschester, NYC. But when the upstate NY residents of the Gentile persuasion did it, it reeked of antisemitism.

  • George Prager

    At the upstate NY college I attended, JAPS called each other JAPS. They were from Long Island, Weschester, NYC. But when the upstate NY residents of the Gentile persuasion did it, it reeked of antisemitism.

  • paul_kolas

    I’m surprised Mel Gibson hasn’t replied to this post yet, but it’s still early in the day.Seriously though, it’s surprising to me how people are interpreting – or more to the point – misinterpreting what Jeff meant by JAP. Yes, he could have made his point more tactfully, but I’ve been there, done that. And if we’re being honest about it, we all have. Case in point…I was in a Starbucks with friends talking about “A Serious Man”, after having seen it in October. I mentioned the fact that the Coens deliberately seemed to go out of their way to invoke the most unflattering Jewish stereotypes as possible, replete with fish eye lensing of noses, nose hair, ear hair, you name it. One of my friends motioned with his eyes to me that someone behind me was listening and looking very upset-offended. I glanced sideways and saw a man sitting at the counter, staring at me with daggers. I turned back to my group and made a clarifying defensive-apologetic comment that I was talking about the movie and not making an offensive ethnic slur. I never said a word to the guy and I’ve never seem him since, but if I do, I might go up to him and say…”remember me?” and go from there.

  • paul_kolas

    I’m surprised Mel Gibson hasn’t replied to this post yet, but it’s still early in the day.Seriously though, it’s surprising to me how people are interpreting – or more to the point – misinterpreting what Jeff meant by JAP. Yes, he could have made his point more tactfully, but I’ve been there, done that. And if we’re being honest about it, we all have. Case in point…I was in a Starbucks with friends talking about “A Serious Man”, after having seen it in October. I mentioned the fact that the Coens deliberately seemed to go out of their way to invoke the most unflattering Jewish stereotypes as possible, replete with fish eye lensing of noses, nose hair, ear hair, you name it. One of my friends motioned with his eyes to me that someone behind me was listening and looking very upset-offended. I glanced sideways and saw a man sitting at the counter, staring at me with daggers. I turned back to my group and made a clarifying defensive-apologetic comment that I was talking about the movie and not making an offensive ethnic slur. I never said a word to the guy and I’ve never seem him since, but if I do, I might go up to him and say…”remember me?” and go from there.

  • liveforever

    Jeff changed the heading. You can all relax now.

  • liveforever

    Jeff changed the heading. You can all relax now.

  • ErrantElan

    JAP is no different than WASP. Jews just seem to love being nearly professionally offended.

  • ErrantElan

    JAP is no different than WASP. Jews just seem to love being nearly professionally offended.

  • GordonCole

    I think it’s mostly always a cop-out to scream POLITICAL CORRECTNESS in cases like this. Not only is calling the actress “JAPPY” or whatever callously superficial (there’s plenty of THAT to go around here, btw), it reduces the person to a punchline. I realize condescendingly branding people the “Eloi”, “pitchforkers” etc. is considered fair play here, but I thought I’d pitch in with my 2c. I don’t doubt Ms. Steinfeld can be made to look like a tough-as-nails vengeful Old West teen, I don’t think looking at publicity shots is very useful.

  • GordonCole

    I think it’s mostly always a cop-out to scream POLITICAL CORRECTNESS in cases like this. Not only is calling the actress “JAPPY” or whatever callously superficial (there’s plenty of THAT to go around here, btw), it reduces the person to a punchline. I realize condescendingly branding people the “Eloi”, “pitchforkers” etc. is considered fair play here, but I thought I’d pitch in with my 2c. I don’t doubt Ms. Steinfeld can be made to look like a tough-as-nails vengeful Old West teen, I don’t think looking at publicity shots is very useful.

  • thebuddha

    to matt cousens :

    I grew up in the area Wells did (Fairfield County, CT), and though younger I automatically read the JAP connotation as meaning Jewish American Princess. Also, as a person of Asian descent, I never once in my lifetime have ever thought of Jap as an ethnic slur. Because of the geographic and cultural signifiers of my location (close to Westchester, Brooklyn, Long Island, and many other Jewish havens), JAP was always taken to mean Jewish American Princesses. The slurs that were directed at me always were chink, nip, gook, slant, slant-eye, sloop, etc, but never Jap because in our area it always connotated the air of priveledge and entitlement that enveloped Jewish girls of a certain economic and societal standing.

    Also, in my area and especially amongst my friends, your “niggerish” term is used in much more humorous tones, mostly by blacks about other blacks, as opposed to your usage, which seems to be of the spiteful and hateful nature.

    Then again, it’s pretty bullshit of you to call someone a cunt when they’re trying to lighten a comment through sarcastic humor. Try to lighten up a bit, and if not, just forget it Matt, it’s the Internet.

  • thebuddha

    to matt cousens :

    I grew up in the area Wells did (Fairfield County, CT), and though younger I automatically read the JAP connotation as meaning Jewish American Princess. Also, as a person of Asian descent, I never once in my lifetime have ever thought of Jap as an ethnic slur. Because of the geographic and cultural signifiers of my location (close to Westchester, Brooklyn, Long Island, and many other Jewish havens), JAP was always taken to mean Jewish American Princesses. The slurs that were directed at me always were chink, nip, gook, slant, slant-eye, sloop, etc, but never Jap because in our area it always connotated the air of priveledge and entitlement that enveloped Jewish girls of a certain economic and societal standing.

    Also, in my area and especially amongst my friends, your “niggerish” term is used in much more humorous tones, mostly by blacks about other blacks, as opposed to your usage, which seems to be of the spiteful and hateful nature.

    Then again, it’s pretty bullshit of you to call someone a cunt when they’re trying to lighten a comment through sarcastic humor. Try to lighten up a bit, and if not, just forget it Matt, it’s the Internet.

  • erniesouchak

    Don’t worry — without makeup she’ll be as homely as Anna Paquin.

  • erniesouchak

    Don’t worry — without makeup she’ll be as homely as Anna Paquin.

  • Nick X

    What was the heading before Jeff changed it?

    It is clear in the context of this post that JAP referred to Jewish American Princess, not Japanese person.

  • Nick X

    What was the heading before Jeff changed it?

    It is clear in the context of this post that JAP referred to Jewish American Princess, not Japanese person.

  • Eloi Manning
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  • ErrantElan

    “Or Francis McDormand in Fargo, looking pretty homely but in reality she is beautiful.”

    What fucking planet are YOU living on? Beautiful??

    She might be a bit sexy in an extremely homely way, I’ll grant you….

  • ErrantElan

    “Or Francis McDormand in Fargo, looking pretty homely but in reality she is beautiful.”

    What fucking planet are YOU living on? Beautiful??

    She might be a bit sexy in an extremely homely way, I’ll grant you….

  • matt cousens

    Thebuddha-

    Was never saying it in a spiteful and hateful nature. Also, i’m aware this is the internet, and my sarcasm becomes as lost as anyone elses. Or i’m terrible at clarifying. I’ll lighten up, but i never feel as if i was wound that tightly to begin with, honestly. The condescending tones from certain posters tell me a lot. This is clearly divided by region, as i’ve always heard the word as a slur against the japanese. Just because i express my opinion, that doesn’t mean i think i can make some sort of social change. This should be obvious. Am i a sexist for calling condescending people cunts? maybe.

  • matt cousens

    Thebuddha-

    Was never saying it in a spiteful and hateful nature. Also, i’m aware this is the internet, and my sarcasm becomes as lost as anyone elses. Or i’m terrible at clarifying. I’ll lighten up, but i never feel as if i was wound that tightly to begin with, honestly. The condescending tones from certain posters tell me a lot. This is clearly divided by region, as i’ve always heard the word as a slur against the japanese. Just because i express my opinion, that doesn’t mean i think i can make some sort of social change. This should be obvious. Am i a sexist for calling condescending people cunts? maybe.

  • larry braverman

    Ahhh yes…another ‘balls’ vs. ‘editor’ post.

    Looks like we will continue without either.

  • larry braverman

    Ahhh yes…another ‘balls’ vs. ‘editor’ post.

    Looks like we will continue without either.

  • LexG

    They should have gone older and cast Dakota or Kristen.

    Or gone Filipino and cast Vanessa Hudgens.

    Isn’t the name “Steinfeld” kind of instantly hilarious? More because of SEINFELD, but also because it summons memories of Jake and Andy Steinfeld from the ’80s.

  • LexG

    They should have gone older and cast Dakota or Kristen.

    Or gone Filipino and cast Vanessa Hudgens.

    Isn’t the name “Steinfeld” kind of instantly hilarious? More because of SEINFELD, but also because it summons memories of Jake and Andy Steinfeld from the ’80s.

  • Gabriel

    I think the real question is whether you’re a brilliant dry comic, or someone who has no concept of irony.

  • Gabriel

    I think the real question is whether you’re a brilliant dry comic, or someone who has no concept of irony.

  • Gabriel

    My last comment being directed to mattcousens #49.

  • Gabriel

    My last comment being directed to mattcousens #49.

  • Noah Cross

    Some folks who have quit this site post more often than I have a chance too.

    Looking forward to this film. I hope that bit of dialouge indicates the Coens will be sticking close as close to the book as they stuck in NCFOM.

  • Noah Cross

    Some folks who have quit this site post more often than I have a chance too.

    Looking forward to this film. I hope that bit of dialouge indicates the Coens will be sticking close as close to the book as they stuck in NCFOM.

  • Gordn27

    “What fucking planet are YOU living on? Beautiful??”

    She was definitely beautiful that very same year in ‘Lone Star’, so she’s at least capable of it.

  • Gordn27

    “What fucking planet are YOU living on? Beautiful??”

    She was definitely beautiful that very same year in ‘Lone Star’, so she’s at least capable of it.

  • Meegosh

    I come from one of the more racist parts of the country. A fly over state if thats what you want to call it. While in High School and College I heard racial slurs every day, usually multiple times a day. Now that I live in the real world they aren’t as common but still come across them a few times a week. Anyway, I have to say I have never heard any of the 100’s of racists I have met in my life refer to anyone as a Jap. The budhha’s examples are what I tend to hear. Having said that, I was at least aware of the term and had never even heard of the JAP term before.

  • Meegosh

    I come from one of the more racist parts of the country. A fly over state if thats what you want to call it. While in High School and College I heard racial slurs every day, usually multiple times a day. Now that I live in the real world they aren’t as common but still come across them a few times a week. Anyway, I have to say I have never heard any of the 100’s of racists I have met in my life refer to anyone as a Jap. The budhha’s examples are what I tend to hear. Having said that, I was at least aware of the term and had never even heard of the JAP term before.

  • LexG

    This is going to be the GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME, granted, but on some level…

    Can’t you picture EXACTLY what it’s going to look like? Probably some typically beige, Scotch-guarded Deakins cinematography; ZERO primary colors; Folk music on the soundtrack; Cogburn sitting a desk at some distorted angle; Carter Burwell wheeling out the EXACT SAME SCORE he’s done since 1990; Long, incredible suspense sequences counterbalanced by some arch, cornpone comic relief.

    Granted, from Tim Burton to Tony Scott, with very few exceptions you can picture a patented auteur’s movies so thoroughly in advance, the act of seeing them is almost a formality. But for as “unpredictable” and “eccentric” as people find the Coens, their bag of tricks is as comfortingly same as just about anyone’s.

    Wish they’d really mix it up and shoot this thing not in Deakins beige dust with processed “tasteful” flesh tones, but instead oversaturate the hell out of it, make a blue, sunny, colors-popping Michael Bay-looking take on the West, lots of Malik Sayeed grain and purple/blue filters.

    I NEVER get why the Coens want to be such “beige” directors. Every movie since Miller’s Crossing shot in that desaturate brown grub. It’s boring visually, or at least super predictable.

  • LexG

    This is going to be the GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME, granted, but on some level…

    Can’t you picture EXACTLY what it’s going to look like? Probably some typically beige, Scotch-guarded Deakins cinematography; ZERO primary colors; Folk music on the soundtrack; Cogburn sitting a desk at some distorted angle; Carter Burwell wheeling out the EXACT SAME SCORE he’s done since 1990; Long, incredible suspense sequences counterbalanced by some arch, cornpone comic relief.

    Granted, from Tim Burton to Tony Scott, with very few exceptions you can picture a patented auteur’s movies so thoroughly in advance, the act of seeing them is almost a formality. But for as “unpredictable” and “eccentric” as people find the Coens, their bag of tricks is as comfortingly same as just about anyone’s.

    Wish they’d really mix it up and shoot this thing not in Deakins beige dust with processed “tasteful” flesh tones, but instead oversaturate the hell out of it, make a blue, sunny, colors-popping Michael Bay-looking take on the West, lots of Malik Sayeed grain and purple/blue filters.

    I NEVER get why the Coens want to be such “beige” directors. Every movie since Miller’s Crossing shot in that desaturate brown grub. It’s boring visually, or at least super predictable.

  • juju

    Wells

    Agree.

    I’ve thrown you to the mat when I thought you deserved it. Here, though, I totally agree.

    That chick is pretty, cute, not Old-West looking at all. Kim Darby didn’t look like she belonged out on the prairie, either, but she still looked the part — an educated young woman from that time period who left the city to ‘settle affairs’ out in the wild country.

    Steinfeld just looks too delicate, too today, too debit card, too cellphone, too Starbucks, too ‘what DVD should I watch’. Agree.

    Okay, now on to settling other affairs — though I’m sure nothing will be settled. Who in the hell can compare ‘JAP’ to the N-word? Seriously.

    Who could think you meant Japanese?

    As someone who could be called both a Jap (meaning ‘of Japanese descent’) and a WASP, I couldn’t care less.

    Nor would I think it was unacceptable or out of place, say, in a bar or at a party, or here on this blog. If someone wants to call me names like that what do I care? I mean, really. We don’t have enough problems in the world? We have to take offense at that type of comment? Whatever. To me, JAP is about the same as WASP.

    Would I use the term JAP (or Jap) in reference to a type of princess or a Japanese person? No. (Okay, JAP maybe, rarely. Yes, I have. A couple times. And, yes, it was totally applicable, funny, and harmless). But, am I offended by it? Are you kidding?

    I’ve been offended in the past by your comments (I won’t bother to mention which, it’s been mentioned a million times), but not by this.

    Good observation on your part. She’s just a bit contemporary looking. It may, possibly, detract from the movie. It could be a constant distraction and take the viewer out of the moment. I remember seeing the original as a kid and Kim Darby’s portrayal was one of the best parts of the experience. Steinfeld may not be as good — or — she could deliver. Remains to be seen.

  • juju

    Wells

    Agree.

    I’ve thrown you to the mat when I thought you deserved it. Here, though, I totally agree.

    That chick is pretty, cute, not Old-West looking at all. Kim Darby didn’t look like she belonged out on the prairie, either, but she still looked the part — an educated young woman from that time period who left the city to ‘settle affairs’ out in the wild country.

    Steinfeld just looks too delicate, too today, too debit card, too cellphone, too Starbucks, too ‘what DVD should I watch’. Agree.

    Okay, now on to settling other affairs — though I’m sure nothing will be settled. Who in the hell can compare ‘JAP’ to the N-word? Seriously.

    Who could think you meant Japanese?

    As someone who could be called both a Jap (meaning ‘of Japanese descent’) and a WASP, I couldn’t care less.

    Nor would I think it was unacceptable or out of place, say, in a bar or at a party, or here on this blog. If someone wants to call me names like that what do I care? I mean, really. We don’t have enough problems in the world? We have to take offense at that type of comment? Whatever. To me, JAP is about the same as WASP.

    Would I use the term JAP (or Jap) in reference to a type of princess or a Japanese person? No. (Okay, JAP maybe, rarely. Yes, I have. A couple times. And, yes, it was totally applicable, funny, and harmless). But, am I offended by it? Are you kidding?

    I’ve been offended in the past by your comments (I won’t bother to mention which, it’s been mentioned a million times), but not by this.

    Good observation on your part. She’s just a bit contemporary looking. It may, possibly, detract from the movie. It could be a constant distraction and take the viewer out of the moment. I remember seeing the original as a kid and Kim Darby’s portrayal was one of the best parts of the experience. Steinfeld may not be as good — or — she could deliver. Remains to be seen.

  • juju

    ps — re: above comment by me. In interest of disclosure Wells has banned me for my criticisms/observations regarding his comments before. I went by a different handle.

    Just thought I’d mention it.

  • juju

    ps — re: above comment by me. In interest of disclosure Wells has banned me for my criticisms/observations regarding his comments before. I went by a different handle.

    Just thought I’d mention it.

  • Eloi Manning

    LexG: Intolerable Cruelty was a pretty colourful Coen movie, no?

  • Eloi Manning

    LexG: Intolerable Cruelty was a pretty colourful Coen movie, no?

  • BurmaShave

    Lex what is with you and primary colors lately? I hope your favorite movie of ’09 was the film within a film in BROKEN EMBRACES.

  • BurmaShave

    Lex what is with you and primary colors lately? I hope your favorite movie of ’09 was the film within a film in BROKEN EMBRACES.

  • matt cousens

    Q: Okay, now on to settling other affairs — though I’m sure nothing will be settled. Who in the hell can compare ‘JAP’ to the N-word? Seriously.

    Who could think you meant Japanese?

    A: Matt Cousens

    Haven’t been paying attention?

  • matt cousens

    Q: Okay, now on to settling other affairs — though I’m sure nothing will be settled. Who in the hell can compare ‘JAP’ to the N-word? Seriously.

    Who could think you meant Japanese?

    A: Matt Cousens

    Haven’t been paying attention?

  • Carl Kolchak

    yeah LexG, what the Coen Brothers and Roger Deakins need to do is make their movies look more like Michael Bay films. Good idea.

  • Carl Kolchak

    yeah LexG, what the Coen Brothers and Roger Deakins need to do is make their movies look more like Michael Bay films. Good idea.

  • bluefugue

    >I NEVER get why the Coens want to be such “beige” directors. Every movie since Miller’s Crossing shot in that desaturate brown grub. It’s boring visually, or at least super predictable.

    “Desaturate brown grub” as a description of Fargo, The Man Who Wasn’t There, and The Big Lebowski?

    How’s that Braille keyboard working out for ya, Lex?

    If you are that big on bright colors, though, you should be a bigger fan of Sirk.

  • bluefugue

    >I NEVER get why the Coens want to be such “beige” directors. Every movie since Miller’s Crossing shot in that desaturate brown grub. It’s boring visually, or at least super predictable.

    “Desaturate brown grub” as a description of Fargo, The Man Who Wasn’t There, and The Big Lebowski?

    How’s that Braille keyboard working out for ya, Lex?

    If you are that big on bright colors, though, you should be a bigger fan of Sirk.

  • LexG

    Wouldn’t hurt. Their visual style is AWFULLY DRAB for directors of their reputation.

    That tan/beige hue is so boring at this point.

    Westerns are kind of a waste usually anyway, since the chicks can never wear LITTLE OUTFITS or show their feet. All rolling around in FROCKS and bonnets. Why would anyone ever want to watch a movie that doesn’t have OILED CHICKS SHOWING LEG and ABS?

  • LexG

    Wouldn’t hurt. Their visual style is AWFULLY DRAB for directors of their reputation.

    That tan/beige hue is so boring at this point.

    Westerns are kind of a waste usually anyway, since the chicks can never wear LITTLE OUTFITS or show their feet. All rolling around in FROCKS and bonnets. Why would anyone ever want to watch a movie that doesn’t have OILED CHICKS SHOWING LEG and ABS?

  • thevisceral

    Bill Parcells is totally down with this post.

  • thevisceral

    Bill Parcells is totally down with this post.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    I don’t think the Coens are necessarily “beige” directors, although given their string of recent features, I can definitely see why you’d say that.

    I just think the “faded-out” look generally tends to suit the kinds of movies they tend to make — neo-westerns (Miller’s Crossing, NCFOM presumably this one), recent retro period pieces (Serious Man, Lebowski), otherwordly fables (Barton Fink, OBWAT).

    I honestly just think it’s as simple as style suiting substance. There’s not much beige going on in Ladykillers (not that I remember much of that film), and obviously not TMWWT.

    I wouldn’t argue that their earlier films didn’t “pop” off the screen a little more, but that’s probably to be expected given the subject matter (like Raising Arizona) or presence of Sonnenfeld back in his D.P. days.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    I don’t think the Coens are necessarily “beige” directors, although given their string of recent features, I can definitely see why you’d say that.

    I just think the “faded-out” look generally tends to suit the kinds of movies they tend to make — neo-westerns (Miller’s Crossing, NCFOM presumably this one), recent retro period pieces (Serious Man, Lebowski), otherwordly fables (Barton Fink, OBWAT).

    I honestly just think it’s as simple as style suiting substance. There’s not much beige going on in Ladykillers (not that I remember much of that film), and obviously not TMWWT.

    I wouldn’t argue that their earlier films didn’t “pop” off the screen a little more, but that’s probably to be expected given the subject matter (like Raising Arizona) or presence of Sonnenfeld back in his D.P. days.

  • LFF

    You know, i’ve been meaning to dig out my SHEIK YERBOUTI Lp for a listen. Thanks for the reminder.

  • LFF

    You know, i’ve been meaning to dig out my SHEIK YERBOUTI Lp for a listen. Thanks for the reminder.

  • actionman

    Lex — how dare you question the work of Deakins :)

  • actionman

    Lex — how dare you question the work of Deakins :)

  • larry braverman

    thevisceral: hilarious

    but i wonder if wells will get your reference, as enjoying sports and film are mutually exclusive

  • larry braverman

    thevisceral: hilarious

    but i wonder if wells will get your reference, as enjoying sports and film are mutually exclusive

  • adorian

    I guess no one in this thread remembers a Halle Barry movie from the 1990s called BAPs. (It stood for Black American Princesses)

  • adorian

    I guess no one in this thread remembers a Halle Barry movie from the 1990s called BAPs. (It stood for Black American Princesses)

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    That’s funny — I was actually going to bring that up earlier, adorian. Just kinda lost interest in this thread, I guess.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    That’s funny — I was actually going to bring that up earlier, adorian. Just kinda lost interest in this thread, I guess.

  • frankbooth

    This is great. I don’t know what’s funnier — the original post, or the fact that people honestly thought Wells was referring to Asians.

    I grew up in the lily-white, uber-gentile, Lutheran-dominated Midwest, but even I knew what the term JAP meant — because I had access to books and television, maybe. My window to the world. Didn’t you guys happen to wonder why he capitalized the entire word?

    I would like to know what the original heading was, though.

  • frankbooth

    This is great. I don’t know what’s funnier — the original post, or the fact that people honestly thought Wells was referring to Asians.

    I grew up in the lily-white, uber-gentile, Lutheran-dominated Midwest, but even I knew what the term JAP meant — because I had access to books and television, maybe. My window to the world. Didn’t you guys happen to wonder why he capitalized the entire word?

    I would like to know what the original heading was, though.

  • frankbooth

    And I DID have to look up Bill Parcels, so maybe I should just shut up.

  • frankbooth

    And I DID have to look up Bill Parcels, so maybe I should just shut up.

  • Colin

    Deakins needs an Oscar maybe this will be his shot next March.

  • Colin

    Deakins needs an Oscar maybe this will be his shot next March.

  • http://martiansattackingindianapolis.blogspot.com/ Josh Massey

    How has this thread gone 75 posts without a single dreidel comment?

    Anyway, I’m gonna go put on my old pair of Jewess Jeans.

  • http://martiansattackingindianapolis.blogspot.com/ Josh Massey

    How has this thread gone 75 posts without a single dreidel comment?

    Anyway, I’m gonna go put on my old pair of Jewess Jeans.

  • DeeZee

    So is she some desperate attempt to cash in on Juno in the same way that A Serious Man was angling for Boomers?

  • DeeZee

    So is she some desperate attempt to cash in on Juno in the same way that A Serious Man was angling for Boomers?

  • LexG

    Oy vey. This chick that you guys are all calling “fetching” and “cute” is *13 years old.*

    Pervs.

  • LexG

    Oy vey. This chick that you guys are all calling “fetching” and “cute” is *13 years old.*

    Pervs.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Leave it to DiZzy to try to imply that A Serious Man was made primarily for strictly commercial reasons.

    Holy shit.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Leave it to DiZzy to try to imply that A Serious Man was made primarily for strictly commercial reasons.

    Holy shit.

  • ZayTonday

    Good thing no one ever casted Eli Wallach in a western huh…

  • ZayTonday

    Good thing no one ever casted Eli Wallach in a western huh…

  • DeeZee

    Kane: Semi-commercial.

  • DeeZee

    Kane: Semi-commercial.

  • Gordn27

    Are ‘Burn After Reading’ and ‘A Serious Man’ drab and colorless?

  • Gordn27

    Are ‘Burn After Reading’ and ‘A Serious Man’ drab and colorless?

  • Gordn27

    “So is she some desperate attempt to cash in on Juno in the same way that A Serious Man was angling for Boomers? ”

    Kaned – it’s not the suggestion that they’re making it for commercial reasons, so much as the vague market — any movie made for adults is angling for boomers.

    But, also, ‘Juno’. Come on, that’s just hilarious.

  • Gordn27

    “So is she some desperate attempt to cash in on Juno in the same way that A Serious Man was angling for Boomers? ”

    Kaned – it’s not the suggestion that they’re making it for commercial reasons, so much as the vague market — any movie made for adults is angling for boomers.

    But, also, ‘Juno’. Come on, that’s just hilarious.

  • DeeZee

    Gordon: No, any movie set in 60s suburbia which uses Jefferson Airplane for the umpteenth time is angling for Boomers.

  • DeeZee

    Gordon: No, any movie set in 60s suburbia which uses Jefferson Airplane for the umpteenth time is angling for Boomers.

  • Gordn27

    Yeah, ’cause if there’s one thing ‘A Serious Man’ is, it’s nostalgic!

    I’d say you should stick to talking about movies that you’ve seen, but there’s the obvious problem there that you don’t watch movies.

  • Gordn27

    Yeah, ’cause if there’s one thing ‘A Serious Man’ is, it’s nostalgic!

    I’d say you should stick to talking about movies that you’ve seen, but there’s the obvious problem there that you don’t watch movies.

  • Floyd Thursby

    But is Bridges going to wear an eyepatch?

  • Floyd Thursby

    But is Bridges going to wear an eyepatch?

  • chicagodad

    While I agree that the characterization of the Coens as “beige” directors was a bit broad, Lex’s comment did make me wonder how this would look if the Coens kept their usual look composition-wise, but really went for a duplication of the 1969-era look in regards to color.

  • chicagodad

    While I agree that the characterization of the Coens as “beige” directors was a bit broad, Lex’s comment did make me wonder how this would look if the Coens kept their usual look composition-wise, but really went for a duplication of the 1969-era look in regards to color.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Gordon makes a good point about BAR — that movie’s color palette reminded me a bit of Raising Arizona, only not quite that extreme (obviously).

    I just really think the look of their movies is driven by the subject matter. Whereas Tony Scott (a LexG fave) will just drench everything in a ridiculous, overbearing blue light — he must be a big fan of specials at K-Mart — regardless of genre.*

    *Assuming he ever makes a movie outside that vague action-thriller, action-drama, action-sports cycle he’s been stuck in his entire career.

  • CitizenKanedforChewingGum

    Gordon makes a good point about BAR — that movie’s color palette reminded me a bit of Raising Arizona, only not quite that extreme (obviously).

    I just really think the look of their movies is driven by the subject matter. Whereas Tony Scott (a LexG fave) will just drench everything in a ridiculous, overbearing blue light — he must be a big fan of specials at K-Mart — regardless of genre.*

    *Assuming he ever makes a movie outside that vague action-thriller, action-drama, action-sports cycle he’s been stuck in his entire career.

  • lazespud

    forgive me if someone noted this earlier, but this girl is THIRTEEN.

    http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/02/23/coen-brothers-cast-hailee-steinfeld-as-the-young-heroine-of-true-grit/

    Jeff’s comments, even when simply referring to a Jewish heritage, strikes me as really an odd thing to point out for no reason. I don’t know why, but it feels even creepier for some reason in the context of her age.

    Wells has never, ever, seemed to have Jews on the brain like, say, Mel Gibson. But bringing up someone’s Jewishness for little reason is a hallmark of why people call Gibson anti-Semitic.

  • lazespud

    forgive me if someone noted this earlier, but this girl is THIRTEEN.

    http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/02/23/coen-brothers-cast-hailee-steinfeld-as-the-young-heroine-of-true-grit/

    Jeff’s comments, even when simply referring to a Jewish heritage, strikes me as really an odd thing to point out for no reason. I don’t know why, but it feels even creepier for some reason in the context of her age.

    Wells has never, ever, seemed to have Jews on the brain like, say, Mel Gibson. But bringing up someone’s Jewishness for little reason is a hallmark of why people call Gibson anti-Semitic.

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