Wall Street Looksee

There was an LA screening last night of Oliver Stone‘s Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps (20th Century Fox, 4.23). A friend of a friend attended. The first blast (i.e., from the guy who talked to the guy) read as follows: “I’ve heard it’s a strong return to form for both Stone and Douglas. It also proves Shia can play with the big boys. A surprisingly satirical movie. It’s the first time I’ve heard a Stone movie described as ‘fun.’”


Michael Douglas, Shia Lebouf in Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps.

Satirical? Really? I asked for a bit more, and the following came in an hour ago: “It’s an entertaining movie with Shia a better match for Douglas than Sheen, who was a stiff. It’s a sardonic, slightly satirical film with Josh Brolin and particularly Frank Langella scoring well.

“Stone handles the show without either his heavy left hand or his neutered right one that made W not what we’d hoped it. Douglas is the big-ticket item, of course, and revisiting this character is clearly a joy for him as he navigates his way through a world where he’s a player holding a very different hand. Gekko is dealing with stocks while taking his own, and seems like a cobra who’s conflicted about whether to bite…or just charm.

“People will show up for this one, so Fox was right to get it out there quick.”

I then wrote Wall Street 2 producer Ed Pressman, who got back with the following: “Oliver’s first cut is brilliant, witty, complex and emotionally powerful. I couldn’t be happier.”

I was still kind of wondering about the slightly satirical element, so I called someone familiar with Stephen Schiff‘s original script.

“I don’t know whether you ever read Schiff’s script,” he said, “but there are definitely satirical elements in it (the chatter of the hedge-fund guys, the huge Robin Hood Foundation-like charity gala, the Dubai material, the Russian oligarch, the Asian commodities specialist with his Maybach, etc.). Of course, Oliver has always been a fairly earnest filmmaker, but I don’t think satire is particularly rare in his work.

Natural Born Killers, whether you enjoyed it or not, is certainly satiric in intent from start to finish, and so is W. There is a lot of satiric content as well in Wall Street and Talk Radio and U Turn, and I would argue that there’s some as well in Salvador, Nixon and The Doors.

“Keep in mind, too, that a lot of satire is in the playing. A line or a scene may or may not look satirical on the page, but can be turned in that direction in the performance and even in the cutting.”

269 thoughts on “Wall Street Looksee

  1. Outside of documentaries, and perhaps Alexander, Stone has been almost strictly a satirist since ’94.

    At least I’d like to hope Any Given Sunday was satire.

  2. Outside of documentaries, and perhaps Alexander, Stone has been almost strictly a satirist since ’94.

    At least I’d like to hope Any Given Sunday was satire.

  3. Man, this is looking like a great film. I am happy for Shia, never understood the hate that he got. Also VERY happy for Stone, cant help but to like the guy.

  4. Man, this is looking like a great film. I am happy for Shia, never understood the hate that he got. Also VERY happy for Stone, cant help but to like the guy.

  5. Douglas is the real thing in my eyes for this reason – he’s that rare breed who can handle films with wall-to-wall dialogue like WALL STREET as well as first-person narratives where the audience is with his character for the entire running time e.g. BASIC INSTINCT, THE GAME, WONDER BOYS. In essence, he can do some heavy fucking lifting.

  6. Douglas is the real thing in my eyes for this reason – he’s that rare breed who can handle films with wall-to-wall dialogue like WALL STREET as well as first-person narratives where the audience is with his character for the entire running time e.g. BASIC INSTINCT, THE GAME, WONDER BOYS. In essence, he can do some heavy fucking lifting.

  7. really looking forward to this, i’ve been a Stone fan forever (i’m among the minority who think that alexander is quite good and extremely underrated)

    pg-13 or R?

    just re-watched Wall Street last week and it’s still a fun flick.

  8. really looking forward to this, i’ve been a Stone fan forever (i’m among the minority who think that alexander is quite good and extremely underrated)

    pg-13 or R?

    just re-watched Wall Street last week and it’s still a fun flick.

  9. Looking forward to this, but …

    the chatter of the hedge-fund guys, the huge Robin Hood Foundation-like charity gala, the Dubai material, the Russian oligarch, the Asian commodities specialist with his Maybach, etc.

    …good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches?

    I dont think Sheen was a stiff … I think he played the part of a wide-eyes kid from Queens with a blue collar background rather convincingly. It might not jive with the image that circle-jerk Wall Street haters have of brokers and bankers all being arrogant, narcissistic Scott-Cann-in-Boiler-Room types, but it’s certainly representative of a lot of the kids I grew up with who went on to work on Wall Street. Yes, there are a ton of blue blood ivy league scumbags, but there are also a lot of working-class types from all over the country/globe who are smart with skills that are applicable in a field where there’s tons of money to be made. They’re not ALL douchebags.

  10. Looking forward to this, but …

    the chatter of the hedge-fund guys, the huge Robin Hood Foundation-like charity gala, the Dubai material, the Russian oligarch, the Asian commodities specialist with his Maybach, etc.

    …good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches?

    I dont think Sheen was a stiff … I think he played the part of a wide-eyes kid from Queens with a blue collar background rather convincingly. It might not jive with the image that circle-jerk Wall Street haters have of brokers and bankers all being arrogant, narcissistic Scott-Cann-in-Boiler-Room types, but it’s certainly representative of a lot of the kids I grew up with who went on to work on Wall Street. Yes, there are a ton of blue blood ivy league scumbags, but there are also a lot of working-class types from all over the country/globe who are smart with skills that are applicable in a field where there’s tons of money to be made. They’re not ALL douchebags.

  11. I don’t think they had any other choice but to go satirical. They couldn’t match the intellectual venom of the first, not with Stone so far past his prime. This is clearly a “what the hell” project, not an “I have something I need to say” project. The best you can really hope for is that it’s entertaining, though ultimately I’m sure it’ll be regarded as a slightly embarrassing addendum.

  12. I don’t think they had any other choice but to go satirical. They couldn’t match the intellectual venom of the first, not with Stone so far past his prime. This is clearly a “what the hell” project, not an “I have something I need to say” project. The best you can really hope for is that it’s entertaining, though ultimately I’m sure it’ll be regarded as a slightly embarrassing addendum.

  13. Hmm. In that case, they’ll definitely need another trailer, because the two that are out have definitely pitched it as a straight drama. Loeb’s script from last year (which is easily available online) reads pretty much like a serious morality drama to me too.

  14. Hmm. In that case, they’ll definitely need another trailer, because the two that are out have definitely pitched it as a straight drama. Loeb’s script from last year (which is easily available online) reads pretty much like a serious morality drama to me too.

  15. I hope there is a scene where Shia goes to visit Hal Holbrook at the Wall Street sage’s rest home and Hal lays down some homespun homilies for us to enjoy.

  16. I hope there is a scene where Shia goes to visit Hal Holbrook at the Wall Street sage’s rest home and Hal lays down some homespun homilies for us to enjoy.

  17. I’m glad for all the players involved that the early buzz is good. Sometimes people become so wedded to popular sentiment that it colors their judgment of even new work.

  18. I’m glad for all the players involved that the early buzz is good. Sometimes people become so wedded to popular sentiment that it colors their judgment of even new work.

  19. I agree with Sam, the hate toward this film and part of the cast was so ridiculous that it makes even more sweeter if this turns out a big hit. I get that people on internet tend to be nasty and negative about some topics, but sometimes its just too much.

    Very, very happy for Oliver, a trully character from american films, very happy for Michael and very happy for Shia.

  20. I agree with Sam, the hate toward this film and part of the cast was so ridiculous that it makes even more sweeter if this turns out a big hit. I get that people on internet tend to be nasty and negative about some topics, but sometimes its just too much.

    Very, very happy for Oliver, a trully character from american films, very happy for Michael and very happy for Shia.

  21. I’m mystified by the late April release of this–usually the last weekend is a dumping ground–and I think maybe this test (?) screening might help Fox decide whether to move it to the Fall for awards because opening against MacGruber and The Losers isn’t going to help it bring in the guys who might normally see it.

  22. I’m mystified by the late April release of this–usually the last weekend is a dumping ground–and I think maybe this test (?) screening might help Fox decide whether to move it to the Fall for awards because opening against MacGruber and The Losers isn’t going to help it bring in the guys who might normally see it.

  23. I was thinking the same thing EDouglasCS. But as Jeff says, they may figure that with the topical subject matter it’s good to get it out as soon as possible.

  24. I was thinking the same thing EDouglasCS. But as Jeff says, they may figure that with the topical subject matter it’s good to get it out as soon as possible.

  25. “…good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches? ”

    Oy. The ones mentioned would have to *be* “cliches” before you could get to “other” cliches.

    And, yes, Charlie Sheen was quite “stiff” in WS, to put it mildly. And not every other broker in that film was portrayed as a douche. But if you had other points, I’m sure at least one of them would be a good one.

  26. “…good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches? ”

    Oy. The ones mentioned would have to *be* “cliches” before you could get to “other” cliches.

    And, yes, Charlie Sheen was quite “stiff” in WS, to put it mildly. And not every other broker in that film was portrayed as a douche. But if you had other points, I’m sure at least one of them would be a good one.

  27. “Josh – I didn’t see it, but I don’t think ‘World Trade Center’ was meant as satire.”

    Forgot that one – but good lord, while I know it was played straight, I laughed when Jesus showed up.

  28. “Josh – I didn’t see it, but I don’t think ‘World Trade Center’ was meant as satire.”

    Forgot that one – but good lord, while I know it was played straight, I laughed when Jesus showed up.

  29. I thought Sheen was good. He had no notably bad moments. He handled the dialogue scenes with Douglas well and the emotional ones with his Dad.

  30. I thought Sheen was good. He had no notably bad moments. He handled the dialogue scenes with Douglas well and the emotional ones with his Dad.

  31. Re EDouglasCS’ post:

    Thought I read (maybe on Deadline.com) that THE LOSERS is being moved to early June since WB has high hopes for it.

  32. Re EDouglasCS’ post:

    Thought I read (maybe on Deadline.com) that THE LOSERS is being moved to early June since WB has high hopes for it.

  33. re reverent’s post:

    Too bad. If THE LOSERS and THE A-TEAM had opened close to each other, there would have been an interesting MARS ATTACKS/INDEPENDENCE DAY vibe going on.

  34. Hard to believe that Charlie Sheen was only 21 years old at the time of shooting … 2 years younger than Shia at the time of shooting Street 2. I thought Charlie handled himself well in that movie; he looked the part, looked mature, I completely bought him in that role.

  35. They moved Losers and then moved it back. I talked to Sylvain White (the director) about it… I think most of us assumed they had to do reshoots or something after its test screening but he says that wasn’t the case and that they were just figuring out a good time to release it. Not sure late April is it… neither it nor MacGruber is going to have much legs cause every theatre is going to give Iron Man 2 all the screens they can.

  36. I dont know why they dont move this to April 9, outside from a Tina Fey comedy is a pretty clear weekend. The 23 date is too crowded. Not only could do better, but also could have better legs.

  37. linaf: It’ll only be a big hit if it didn’t go over-budget on Shia’s salary and shooting in NYC. And if you can get the 18-25 demo to stop negatively equating Wall Street brokers with frat-boy Republicans, Christian recruitment booths, and the greedy Boomers who put them in this Great Recession in the first place. The first one did really well for its budget and time, but even a bigger film like Predator, from that same year hasn’t been able to strike lightning twice. So a sequel to a film which clearly skewed towards a different mind-set and generation of movie-goers is an even riskier bet.

    The problem with The Losers is none of the actors are recognizable and the concept doesn’t scream “must-see”. It feels like a limp cash-in on S.W.A.T. seven years too late.

  38. DeeZee: The Losers doesn’t look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they’re opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move.

  39. LaBeouf was on Jimmy Kimmel last night promoting the film. But they need to really get moving next month with the marketing. I’ve only seen the trailer in the theater once, before Edge of Darkness, and that was the teaser. I thought for sure the full trailer would be before Shutter Island, but no.

  40. LaBeouf was on Jimmy Kimmel last night promoting the film. But they need to really get moving next month with the marketing. I’ve only seen the trailer in the theater once, before Edge of Darkness, and that was the teaser. I thought for sure the full trailer would be before Shutter Island, but no.

  41. I wonder if the Jeffster would feel the same about Polanski if it was his 13 year old son’s anus dripping with Roman’s cum. “Jett, think of the great movies he’s made, you just can’t press charges. Anyway, if Polanski pays enough I can finally buy those movie stills of naked Vinessa Shaw”

  42. I wonder if the Jeffster would feel the same about Polanski if it was his 13 year old son’s anus dripping with Roman’s cum. “Jett, think of the great movies he’s made, you just can’t press charges. Anyway, if Polanski pays enough I can finally buy those movie stills of naked Vinessa Shaw”

  43. Mexico edged a friendly win over Angola in the fourth match of their US tour ahead next month’s World Cup. The match, played in front of 70,000 fans at Houston’s Reliant Stadium, was decided in the 53rd minute when fake alain silberstein midfielder Andres fake alain silberstein Guardado netted.

  44. Mexico edged a friendly win over Angola in the fourth match of their US tour ahead next month’s World Cup. The match, played in front of 70,000 fans at Houston’s Reliant Stadium, was decided in the 53rd minute when fake alain silberstein midfielder Andres fake alain silberstein Guardado netted.

  45. It tells a tale that rings true more than twenty years after the film was first released. “Wall Street” is not a dumbed-down movie, reduced to appeal to the least common denominator.

  46. It tells a tale that rings true more than twenty years after the film was first released. “Wall Street” is not a dumbed-down movie, reduced to appeal to the least common denominator.

  47. Blogger Indonesia Internet support safe, healthy & benefits. The Internet is an information network and global (world). Shadows, a million benefit we can get only with the ability and willingness to use the Internet. For example, with colleagues dipenjuru berkorespodensi world use “super-express mail” (email). We are also able to freely obtain data for a school assignment, reading national and international news.

    more visit: Blogger Indonesia dukung internet aman, sehat & manfaat | Ingat Solo Ingat Soloaja.com

  48. Blogger Indonesia Internet support safe, healthy & benefits. The Internet is an information network and global (world). Shadows, a million benefit we can get only with the ability and willingness to use the Internet. For example, with colleagues dipenjuru berkorespodensi world use “super-express mail” (email). We are also able to freely obtain data for a school assignment, reading national and international news.

    more visit: Blogger Indonesia dukung internet aman, sehat & manfaat | Ingat Solo Ingat Soloaja.com

  49. Also, it would probably be great for having some sort of “viewer”. You could have a list of documents, and use jQuery to get JSON data, then put the data into the template. Something like viewing invoices or other formatted docs.Internet Marketing

  50. hi I don’t think they had any other choice but to go satirical. They couldn’t match the intellectual venom of the first, not with Stone so far past his prime. This is clearly a “what the hell” project, not an “I have something I need to say” project. The best you can really hope for is that it’s entertaining, though ultimately I’m sure it’ll be regarded as a slightly embarrassing addendum.

    chanel perfume

    Allure Men perfume

    Antaeus Men perfume

    Chanel Men perfume

    Chanel # 5 perfume

  51. Douglas is the big-ticket item, of course, and revisiting this character is clearly a joy for him as he navigates his way through a world where he’s a player holding a very different hand.

  52. Its good to see Shia getting a lot of quality roles. Before transformers he had some small supporting roles (as far as I know), and he hasn’t been boxed in to the transformer – Sam Witwicky character, and able to get noticed elsewhere, good news for a good actor.

  53. They couldn’t match the intellectual venom of the first, not with Stone so far past his prime. This is clearly a “what the hell” project, not an “I have something I need to say” project. The best you can really hope for is that it’s entertaining, though ultimately I’m sure it’ll be regarded as a slightly embarrassing addendum.

    Dream Girls Miami Ticket

  54. Classic wall-street job film…everyone who worked in wall-street and Hollywood remembers this movie…hopefully it won’t disappoint.

  55. Classic wall-street job film…everyone who worked in wall-street and Hollywood remembers this movie…hopefully it won’t disappoint.

  56. elements which are essential in the game of strongfootball jerseys are Soccer Balls (without which the game has no meaning), strong soccer jerseys Goals post, players all these elements have been specified with certain rules and regulations to follow which makes it easy for players to play the game. In this article we will see certain aspects and definitions of the game of soccer.

  57. elements which are essential in the game of strongfootball jerseys are Soccer Balls (without which the game has no meaning), strong soccer jerseys Goals post, players all these elements have been specified with certain rules and regulations to follow which makes it easy for players to play the game. In this article we will see certain aspects and definitions of the game of soccer.

  58. 00zoe

    MBT shoes, timberland is.

    MBT shoes sale, The Boots UK and sale for you.

    MBT trainers, 笑三少.

    Timberland boots, 西门吹雪.

    cheap timberland boots, 博客.

    Coach Handbags, manufacturing for others, and.

    Timberland Boots, 笑三少.

    Timberland Boots Sale, 海子 1990.

    timberland roll top, on the Internet..

    Timberland Chukka, in a river, and your.

    MBT sale, of a family.

    MBT shoes clearance, 叶孤城 output was.

    MBT women’s shoes, manufacturing for others, and.

    Cheap Timberland Boots, 经典1956.

    Timberland UK, Nothing to worry.

    Timberland outlet uk, ak22-.

    Timberland outlet, about, you could.

    MBT shoes UK, The source of.

    MBT UK, an offshoot.

    Coach Handbags Outlet, have not looked back..

    Timberland 6 Inch, store is popular.

    timberland boots sale, ak11-.

    timberland boots uk, qkl000.

    Timberland Custom, five miles.

    timberland sale UK, making cutprice.

    MBT shoes clearance, Timberlands. They stopped.

  59. 00zoe

    MBT shoes, timberland is.

    MBT shoes sale, The Boots UK and sale for you.

    MBT trainers, 笑三少.

    Timberland boots, 西门吹雪.

    cheap timberland boots, 博客.

    Coach Handbags, manufacturing for others, and.

    Timberland Boots, 笑三少.

    Timberland Boots Sale, 海子 1990.

    timberland roll top, on the Internet..

    Timberland Chukka, in a river, and your.

    MBT sale, of a family.

    MBT shoes clearance, 叶孤城 output was.

    MBT women’s shoes, manufacturing for others, and.

    Cheap Timberland Boots, 经典1956.

    Timberland UK, Nothing to worry.

    Timberland outlet uk, ak22-.

    Timberland outlet, about, you could.

    MBT shoes UK, The source of.

    MBT UK, an offshoot.

    Coach Handbags Outlet, have not looked back..

    Timberland 6 Inch, store is popular.

    timberland boots sale, ak11-.

    timberland boots uk, qkl000.

    Timberland Custom, five miles.

    timberland sale UK, making cutprice.

    MBT shoes clearance, Timberlands. They stopped.

  60. Hey…this is a wonderful website buddy and an informative post!!! i am new here and i found this site very interesting and informative ,, you are a professional blogger i think i have a great interest in such things…thank you 70-680 dumps for the post buddy and keep on posting nice stuff like this :) i am a student.

  61. Hey…this is a wonderful website buddy and an informative post!!! i am new here and i found this site very interesting and informative ,, you are a professional blogger i think i have a great interest in such things…thank you 70-680 dumps for the post buddy and keep on posting nice stuff like this :) i am a student.

  62. I am hoping there’s a field exactly where Shia would go to pay a visit to Hal Holbrook in the Wall membrane Lane sage’s relaxation dwelling in addition to Hal sets along a good number of homespun homilies for folks to relish. neospora caninum

  63. I am hoping there’s a field exactly where Shia would go to pay a visit to Hal Holbrook in the Wall membrane Lane sage’s relaxation dwelling in addition to Hal sets along a good number of homespun homilies for folks to relish. neospora caninum

  64. hmm..LaBeouf was on Jimmy Kimmel last night promoting the film. But they need to really get moving next month with the marketing. I’ve only seen the trailer in the theater once, before Edge of Darkness, and that was the teaser. I thought for sure the full trailer would be before Shutter Island, but no…. RIGHT !!?!!!!

  65. hmm..LaBeouf was on Jimmy Kimmel last night promoting the film. But they need to really get moving next month with the marketing. I’ve only seen the trailer in the theater once, before Edge of Darkness, and that was the teaser. I thought for sure the full trailer would be before Shutter Island, but no…. RIGHT !!?!!!!

  66. mm..the Losers doesn’t look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they’re opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move. !!

  67. mm..the Losers doesn’t look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they’re opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move. !!

  68. mm..the Losers doesn’t look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they’re opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move. !!

    acid reflux diet

  69. mm..the Losers doesn’t look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they’re opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move. !!

    acid reflux diet

  70. Its good to see Shia getting a lot of quality roles. Before transformers he had some small supporting roles (as far as I know), and he hasn’t been boxed in to the transformer – Sam Witwicky character, and able to get noticed elsewhere, good news for a good actor.stop snoring

  71. Its good to see Shia getting a lot of quality roles. Before transformers he had some small supporting roles (as far as I know), and he hasn’t been boxed in to the transformer – Sam Witwicky character, and able to get noticed elsewhere, good news for a good actor.stop snoring

  72. i think it will a good movice,i am very expect

    [link="http://www.mac-makeup-shop.com/Mac-Cosmetic/MAC-Disney--s357/"]mac disney[/link]

  73. i think it will a good movice,i am very expect

    [link="http://www.mac-makeup-shop.com/Mac-Cosmetic/MAC-Disney--s357/"]mac disney[/link]

  74. This information is some of the best I have found on this topic for me, I really appreciate this point of view and I’ve found it to be more reliable then some, I will be recommending it to others.

  75. This information is some of the best I have found on this topic for me, I really appreciate this point of view and I’ve found it to be more reliable then some, I will be recommending it to others.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published.

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>