Blood Is Up
“Democrats should not listen to the people who are now saying they shouldn’t attempt anything else big for a while because health care was such a bruising battle,” writes Bill Maher. “Wrong — because I learned something watching the lying bullies of the Right lose this one: when they’re losing, they squeal like a pig. They kept saying things like, the bill was being ‘shoved down our throats’ or the Democrats were ‘ramming it through.’ The bill was so big they couldn’t take it all at once!
“And I realized listening to this rhetoric that it reminded me of something: Tiger Woods‘ text messages to his mistress that were made public last week, where he said, and I quote, ‘I want to treat you rough, throw you around, spank and slap you and make you sore. I want to hold you down and choke you while I fuck that ass that I own. Then I’m going to tell you to shut the fuck up while I slap your face and pull your hair for making noise.’ Unquote.
“And this, I believe, perfectly represents the attitude Democrats should now have in their dealings with the Republican Party: “Shut the fuck up while I slap your face for making noise — now pass a cap-and-trade law, you stupid bitch, and repeat after me: ‘global warming is real!’
“The Democrats need to push the rest of their agenda while their boot is on the neck of the greedy, poisonous old reptile. Who cares if a cap-and-trade bill isn’t popular, neither was health care. Your poll numbers may have descended a bit, but so did your testicles.
“So don’t stop: we need to regulate the banks, we need to overhaul immigration, we need to end corporate welfare including at the Pentagon, we need to bring troops home from… everywhere, we need to end the drug war, and we need to put terrorists and other human rights violators on trial in civilian courts, starting with Dick Cheney.
“Democrats in America were put on earth to do one thing: drag the ignorant hillbilly half of this country into the next century, which in their case is the 19th — and by passing health care, the Democrats saved their brand. A few months ago, Sarah Palin mockingly asked them, ‘How’s that hopey-changey thing working out for ya?’ Great, actually. Thanks for asking. And how’s that whole Hooked on Phonics thing working out for you?”
I can just see the douchey faces Maher made during the applause lines. I agree in spirit with a lot of this, but cap & trade is bad policy and bad politics, and would be a disaster. Now is the time for some serious financial reform.
Bill Maher: Voice of the people. Christ, what a douche.
No, not “voice of the people.” Voice of “we’re finally manning up and putting our collective boot on the Republican serpent’s neck.”
So what, exactly, makes him a “douche” Waltz? Care to elaborate?
Because the guy is willing to give Sean Penn the floor to convince us how much of a hero Huge Chavez really is.
Love the shit out of him. And anybody that says he’s biased and doesn’t spend equal time ripping on Democrats has never watched his show.
Mayor,
What if he gave Jon Voight the floor to convince us what a great president George W. Bush was? Extra douchey or fine by you?
Maher is funny here, but he makes a convincing case on why resentment will only take you so far and will obscure the reason your ideas used to have. The US is still recovering from 8 years of Bush, but this thinking of “if the republicans are that stupid then we should be stupid” is stupid, that’s just what the terrorists wants us to do.
What if? He wouldn’t. And you know that.
Nice of you to pull out the red-blue card on that one, by the way.
Mayor,
You’d be okay with that though, right? That wouldn’t bother you. Interesting.
I assume Mayor Quimby also likes the fact that the media, overwhelmingly, paints a nasty picture of Hugo Chavez. Maybe it’s deserved, I don’t really know. But I do get sick of it.
So if Bill Maher and Sean Penn offer an alternative view of Hugo Chavez, that’s fine by me.
But I wasn’t a big fan of the interview, so that aside, Maher’s program usually offers a lot of intriguing ideas and worthwhile conversation.
Quimby, you’re a coward for trying to duck his question.
Chinaski OWNS you.
He was trying to call you out as partisan, which, but refusing to answer his question seems pretty obvious.
Here’s a key difference in your retarded hypothetical situation.
Let’s assume Voight does go on his program and state his case. Does Maher, in any way, let him openly state his case without the interruptions from his smug retorts or idiot audience applauding everything he says? Of course not.
Sean Penn was on the show. Maher lets him state his entire case with no objection whatsoever. He basically said that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticize a dictator’s regime, and Maher let him make that argument with no objection at all.
I’m not okay with Maher giving a man with a batshit insane worldview like Penn any objections, while he’d undoubtedly piss all over Voight on the show. That’s why I think he’s a douche.
Shaw, I’m watching Weeds at the same time. Sorry if I don’t respond at the same instantaneous time you believe should be mandatory. Fuck you.
Oh, I see, Quimby. That might explain why you would write something like this:
“He basically said that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticize a dictator’s regime”
Having watched that episode, I can assure you that he never said that. Nor did he imply it. AT ALL.
You made that up. Which should be expected given that your argument is weak to begin with.
Vinessa what does this mean:
“Every day, this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it, and accept it. And this is mainstream media. There should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies.”
“Let’s assume Voight does go on his program and state his case. Does Maher, in any way, let him openly state his case without the interruptions from his smug retorts or idiot audience applauding everything he says? Of course not.”
You don’t watch his show. Maher has conservatives on his show nearly every week and he, if not his audience, is always very respectful of them. You must have him confused with O’Reilly.
“Sean Penn was on the show. Maher lets him state his entire case with no objection whatsoever. He basically said that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticize a dictator’s regime, and Maher let him make that argument with no objection at all.”
Maher flat out said he didn’t know enough about Chavez to agree or disagree with Penn. And that’s not what Penn said at all.
“I’m not okay with Maher giving a man with a batshit insane worldview like Penn any objections, while he’d undoubtedly piss all over Voight on the show. That’s why I think he’s a douche.”
Your opinion that his views are “batshit crazy”.
Again, you didn’t watch that episode or any other episode. I’m not being partisan on this either. Olberman doesn’t normally have dissenting opinions on his show. Maher does. Take a guess of how many times Ann Coulter was a guest on his old show. He considers her one of his good friends. I only watch sporadically now that it’s on HBO, so I’m not sure if he’s had her on recently. But again, there are conservatives on nearly every episode that I do watch, and often they dominate the conversation.
Well, Burma, since you asked…
Quimby stated that “he basically said that people shouldn’t be allowed to criticize a dictator’s regime, and Maher let him make that argument with no objection at all.
And what Penn actually said, which you provided, “”Every day, this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it, and accept it. And this is mainstream media. There should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies.”
He wasn’t saying one shouldn’t be able to criticize a dictator’s regime. He was saying that one should not be called a dictator without having that assertion challenged.
And since the American media has labeled Chavez as evil and closed the book on him without even allowing for the slightest nuance in their reporting, I would say these are not the same things.
I’m not defending Chavez or Penn. I’m defending Chinaski’stake down of Quimby.
But none of that matters, anyway. Because, based on what Quimby is saying, that means every single commentator on Fox News is a douchebag, too.
So answer the question, Mayor. No more ducking.
If Maher had Voight on his show, and allowed him to sing the praises of the Bush administration without objecting to anything he said, would you have a problem with that?
Would you have a problem with Sarah Palin going on Hannity’s show to tell us what a great president GWB was, without any objections from the host?
I need everybody to tell me what political party they belong to and who they most often vote for so I can know who to like and who to hate because they are satanishly evil.
Travis chimes in, chock-full of substance as usual.
Holy fuck, I was watching TV. If you can’t handle the fact that I may want to do something other than listen to your tired, boring jabber, then simply take your battle somewhere else. You aren’t important or threatening enough to rush back to the internet for cyberwar.
On that show, he said, ‘truly, there should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies.’ And Maher didn’t refute this once. Not once. And you want to tell me he’d let a monstrously stupid comment like this escape from a guy like Voight? If so, you’re an ignorant twat.
And because you want to make this a partisan battle, let’s get a couple of facts clear here:
1) I do not like Sarah Palin. She is stupid.
2) I don’t watch Fox News because it’s incredibly slanted and hypocritical.
3) I am generally conservative with shades of blue on key social issues.
You came here and bitched and moaned about hating how I don’t like Maher for not questioning Penn like he does with so many other guests on his show. You said it’s because I hate liberals and love conservatives, generalizing a bit. That’s the only reason you’d bring Jon Voight into the discussion, and you know this deep down, even if you won’t admit it. I have no desire to make this argument about “oh, you wouldn’t say that if it happened to conservatives!” because it’s a lazy, boring argument. And I’ve wasted time responding to that lazy, boring argument.
Oh, and I’m not going to be back on tonight. It’s not me ducking, or being a coward. It’s me believing there is an alternative option tonight better than reading your rambling. I’m watching a show on Netflix for the first time through, and I think it’s great. Cry me a fucking river if you don’t like it.
Coward and a liar. Not surprised in the least.
Oh, and you are likely also insane based on this last post of yours.
Chinaski you’re not doing our kind any favors.
Burma,
Powerful statement. It assumes a few things.
A) That we are of the same kind, and that I would want to be.
B) That you, as opposed to me, do “our kind” any favors. It’s quite a leap, dude.
I called Mayor out on his hypocrisy, and judging by his insane rant, I was correct.
Yesterday, Obama made 15 recess appointments, because the repubs would not do anything to get them appointed. Of course they don’t like it, bitched about it, but hey, it was ok when they were in power. Maher is right, the time is now to get things done.
lol @ cap and trade.
I simply cannot get excited about this health care bill. I don’t think it is the monumental step forward that the Democrats claim. More than anything, the insurance companies seem to be the true beneficiaries of this health care bill, and it still doesn’t tackle the wider problem of uninsured people in America.
Rather than clap their hands and wag their tongues about some imaginary “victory,” it might be more helpful to acknowledge there are still enormous gaps in this thing, and that much work still needs to be done.
As Matt Taibii wrote this week about the healthcare non-reform, the Dems are ’70s Republicans, and the GOP is a crazed Ruby Ridge sect.
Chinaski when you get older you’ll calm down, it’s cool.
I’d really like to kick the shit out of Chinaski. Far more than perhaps anyone here.
For his is a smug, annoying, prickish existence.
How can we make that happen?
(I’ll auto-reply for you, Chinaski) -
“Hmmm. So now Travis has resorted to threats of violence. Ah, the last bastion of the anti-intellectual. I shant trouble myself with his childishness. I’ve the vapors now.”
I haven’t watched Maher in a few years now, but it sounds like he has given up pretending he’s a libertarian. Has he “officially” aligned himself with the democratics now?
Heh. I was called insane by Chinaski. I’ll lose sleep over that one.
Is it this natural tendency of those on the Left to reflexively assume the role of victim?
It seems liberals, (sorry…did it again…), I mean Progressives are always wringing their hands and biting their lips about how they need to “stand up to those nasty Republicans” and “finally grow a spine and fight back” in breathless rants to the comments section of Huffington Post or Media Matters.
They almost seem to relish in this contrived underdog role. The right is a big, rich, powerful machine fueled by anger and hate and propelled by the assistance of the all-emcompassing, inescapable dominance of Fox News and (gasp!) AM radio. The Left is a scrappy little guy, smaller in size but with honor and goodness on its side.
Of course this is all a good bit of silliness. Jody Powell, James Carville, Rahm Emanuel? A veritable laundry list of shrinking violets.
Hey, “Sunset Blvd.” is on.
“He was trying to call you out as partisan, which, but refusing to answer his question seems pretty obvious.”
Hey Vinessa…. do you have the slightest idea what that sounds like?
Speaking of which…. you might want to keep an eye on that character named “Indeed”. He hasn’t sufficiently praised Obamacare lately, and his views regarding Bill Maher are not, shall we say, in sync with what’s been agreed upon. I’m not calling him a Republican….I’m just saying he bears watching.
(btw)
As for Quimby….
He’s a CONSERVATIVE! GET HIM!!!
Travis, anything I say will met with any number of strawman-type obfuscation. You are in capable of having an honest debate. It is widely known by the readers of this site that you are a long since past your prime, out of your league, ignorant, mouth-breathing, lowlife, cro-magnon-like, pathetic little weasel who just so happened to have voted for Sarah fucking Palin.
You have NO standing or credibility based on that one decision alone. And, on top of that, I think you’re fucking coward. And I’m going to prove it.
In an earlier post, you relished the idea of wanting to “kick Chinaski’s ass” and posed the question, “how can we make this happen?” Well, I tell you what, you paleolithic twat, why don’t you meet me in person and try to kick my ass? Seriously. Are you man enough to take me up on that challenge? Surely you’re not afraid of some 118 pound girl?
Let me guess, the answer is NO? I wonder why that is? Maybe it’s due to the fact that you used “we” in that sentence. That would make perfect sense. Because you would never show up yourself. How typically rethuglican of you to illicit the help of others to do your dirty work. You’re all bark and NO bite.
If you’re going to threaten other posters then you’re going to get it right back.
So here I am in front of everyone calling you for the coward that you are. Do you have the balls to face me, asswipe? Or, are you just like the rest of your clan? You know, will you just send someone else off to fight your war for you like the rest of the chicken hawk, cowardly shits that make up a majority of your party?
I only recently started posting here, but now that I see the child to adult ratio around here is roughly 5 to 1, I think I’ll vacate the premises.
Good god, Vinessa (who I’m actually starting to think is the angry, female half of chinaskis personality), aren’t you in piss?
Fact is, (jesus, am I really doing this…taking the bait), you don’t want “honest debate”. You want an echo chamber of like-thinking people.
You’re typically hypocritical. You scream for free speech, (as long as it’s speech you don’t disagree with). You believe descent is the purest form of patriotism, (as long as nobody is professing descent against the guy you voted for).
You say you want “honest debate”, but if you get the slightest whiff that the person you supposedly want to debate is not “playing for the right team”, you pull your McCarthyite screeches of “kill the monster!”
Do you live in L.A.?
I’ve done no such thing, Crabtree.
I’m not trying to stifle debate. Nor am I interested in “echo chamber” discourse.
But please explain to me where and when I started waving a freedom of speech flag?
Even if you were gesting, you threatened another poster and asked if others would join in on it. That sort of speech is not protected.
I would respect you if you actually made a point rather than posting and responding to your own self-invented imaginary responses from other posters. Talk about an echo chamber.
You write potential responses to your own posts as if all comments in response to yours are so predictable. And this is something you do over and over and over. You do the very same thing which you accuse so many other posters of doing to you, you cynically categorize all of your detractors of having the same mindset, the same brain. Yet, you’re the first one to complain when people paint you with such a broad brush.
It is you who is the hypocrite, son.
“Even if you were gesting, you threatened another poster and asked if others would join in on it.”
That fits neatly into the current “crazy, blood-thirsty, conservatives are calling for violence” theme going around, doesn’t it?
One minute I’m calling somebody on HE a jackass, next minute I’m planting pipe bombs under Barbara Boxer’s limo. Better keep an eye on me.
You sound like the classic puppet-making, sign-toting, screaming, Che-shirt-wearing, Free-Munia armband-sporting protester. You push, push, push, push….. then someone pushes back and you drop to the ground, curl up in a ball and screech to the TV cameras that you’re being oppressed and abused.
I’ll meet you. I can honestly say that I have no plans on taking a swing at a “118 pound girl”, but I will treat you to tacos and ice cream. After ten minutes you’ll be a member of the NRA, Southern California Young Republicans and wearing a “I (heart) Guantanamo !” t-shirt.
Then I’ll ask you to help me move a sofa into the back of my van, because it’s difficult, what with my broken arm and all.
And to add one final thing to this, ahem, civil discussion (at least for awhile, anyway)…
As I have stated previously, you voted for a frail, cancer-stricken man who, in all likelihood, would most likely die before his 1st term concluded, which would have put Sarah Fucking Palin, a woman with the following educational background:
Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 – Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 ).
who attended FIVE pathetic schools in four years, having finally graduated from a school with an open admissions policy to highest office in the land, and you did so, so cynically, putting your ideological idiocy over the safety and security and credibility of this great country at great risk and you have the audacity to throw around a word like patriotism?
Having voted for McCain, anything and everything you say is tainted. You cannot be trusted because you sought to elect someone to office who chose the DUMBEST political candidate to run for any elected position in the whole, grand history of these United States simply because he thought it might get him enough votes to stop the juggernaut that was Barack Obama, all the while knowing the she was not fit to serve.
John McCain was once a great American but, like your decision to vote for him (and, by default, Palin), you cared more about yourself than this country you claim to hold so dear. And that is indefensible, despicable, and really quite shameful. And, therefore, renders anything you have to say as moot.
Ah, just as I predicted. Yet again, you reduce all left-leaning thinkers to the same stereotypes which you bitch about being placed on you.
Perhaps you should put this in your pipe in smoke it, Crabs.
See how well your fried brain can wrap itself around this:
I’m a liberal. And I also happen to think that Mumia deserves to rot in jail. And I think Che was a terrorist. AND, I’m an actual card-carrying member of the NRA with three weapons registered under my name.
I guess we lib-ah progressives (yeah, I said it!) aren’t all so cookie-cutter.
All you do is bitch and moan about being typecast while in the same breath you reduce everyone who disagrees with you to some political stereotype, as if you are all of one mind.
I clearly said, “even if you were jesting”. I NEVER accused you of being a radically violent republican thug. I acknowledged that you could have, and most likely were, making a joke. And you even posted my damn quote in your response, yet you still tried to paint me as someone who is accusing you of being a violent, bomb-throwing reactionary.
Nice try, though.
“Ah, just as I predicted. Yet again, you reduce all left-leaning thinkers to the same stereotypes which you bitch about being placed on you.”
” ignorant, mouth-breathing, lowlife, cro-magnon-like, pathetic little weasel who just so happened to have voted for Sarah fucking Palin”
“Yet again, Cro-Magnon Crabtree, your hysterical ignorance is showing”
Thanks for being above-it-all. And thanks for, (while I was busy stereotyping), informing us that the nearly 59 million people who voted for John McCain are “indefensible, despicable and shameful” and need not be listened to because anything they have to say is moot.
Oh, and for the record, the rest of my Sunday is pretty free, if you still want to meet up.
Vinessa loves Travis!
Vinessa loves Travis!
It’s just insanely hard to take this woman seriously with some of the “my team-your team” bullshit she’s spewing.
I was MIMICKING the very same, hateful, overly-simplistic, stereotyping that your partake in every time you try to pigeonhole a liberal. Well, at least about the cro-magnon stuff.
As far as the stuff about Palin goes? You betcha! I think that given her education and intelligence, or clear lack thereof, voting for that ticket was not only irresponsible, it was dangerous. And I think it’s reasonable to question the sanity of those who continue to support her.
Honestly, Crabtree, I am not an entrenched as you might believe. If Obama had chosen a running mate so obviously, so dangerously unqualified for the job, I would have abstained from voting. And I mean that. Truly.
Now please forgive me, I have to go change my tampon.
Sorry, I guess that means you will only get to 2nd base on our date later on.
Sigh. Oh well.
Over the line!
I frankly don’t give a shit if you’re a liberal. Knock yourself out, save the children, all that jazz. Whatever you believe in, follow it. I don’t buy into your philosophy on government, but hey, I’m not you.
But stop this tireless bullshit crusade against conservatives because you’ve got some personal vendetta against McCain, Palin, and whoever voted for them. You sound like a fucking political bigot, just like Wells.
You believe the only right way is your way, and anybody who opposes or believes otherwise is insane, delusional, irresponsible, bigoted, blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. It’s so fucking tiring listening to close-minded garbage like this being spewed out, on both sides. And you’re doing nothing to help that. You’re just proving that the first amendment only works with their speech follows your own.
Again, I never said (nor have I implied) that ideas from the other side of the aisle aren’t worth listening to or, if they are good ideas, worth implementing, regardless of one’s political persuasion.
How can I have a “personal vendetta” aginst either of them. I don’t KNOW them. And they don’t me. So how could it be “personal,” Quimby?
My criticism of Palin and the people who chose to vote for her is quite simple. By voting for Palin, the citizens who made such a decision put this country at great risk trying to elect someone who is not merely ignorant as to the ways of the world, but proud of it.
How can either of you honestly argue that she is fit to be President of the United States? She was so frighteningly under-qualified. She has the least amount of education of ANY candidate running for her position in the whole of our nation’s history. And the fact that you don’t see that, that having her as president, given her lack intellectual curiosity, her lack of education, her idiotic, war-mongering, let’s bomb Iran statements (hmm…didn’t McCain joke about that, too?), her inabillity to state ONE SINGLE MAGAZINE or NEWSPAPER that she reads (which was QUITE a fair question to ask of someone running for the second highest office in the land), which goes exactly to her lack of interest in being well-rounded, knowledgeable, and intelligent etc, etc, tells me that you are either so blinded by your political beliefs or just as stupid as she is that you would elect someone with such disturbingly low set of qualifications.
Defend her. Go ahead. I’ll listen. Explain to me how someone with that background has the qualifications to be anything greater than local TV news sportscaster?
Your turn to be Vinessa’s tangle-toy, Quimby. I’m plum tuckered out. (and still a little aghast at the Tampon comment).
Besides, she stood me up.
Just this….. McCain looks to be in pretty good health to me. And relax about Palin. Jesus. She may not be qualified to be President, but she’s not the fucking anti-christ. Calm the fuck down already. Holy Moses.
(I’ll be at Amoeba Hollywood for the next hour or two if you wanna punch me)
Maher was funny and shocking, in about 1990. Now he’s a chore.
Palin’s a kook with her education, but Sean Penn is an authority? Zoinks.
‘Sean Penn is an authority? Zoinks. ‘
Like, wow, scoob, who sed Sean Penn is an authority? Little different than categorically rejecting anything the guy opines on, isn’t it?
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You cannot be trusted because you sought to elect someone to office who chose the DUMBEST political candidate to run for any elected position in the whole, grand history of these United States
Travis voted for John Edwards?!?
This thread is going to jump the shark the minute Travis and Vinessa have sex, I just know it. Just like “Moonlighting”.
Farris!
JChasse!
Bang-bang! Nice, end-of-thread double-tap!
(good work)
Vinessa, you voted for Obama AFTER he took Biden as his running mate. You voted for Biden, easily one of the stupidest douchebags on the Hill, a plagiarist, a serial fabulist, a nincompoop and all around plug ridden cretin.
I think Palin is a nightmare of epic proportions, but she is way better than Biden.
thunderballs, you ignorant fuck. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Biden is regarded as one of the two or three most knowledgeable foreign policy mavens in Congress. In this town (DC), everyone knows this – Republicans, Democrats, policy groups. The Bush Administration relied upon him extensively for his foreign policy expertise in late 2008. He could teach a college course on countries you aren’t even aware of, and couldn’t pronounce.
Your infantile brain obsesses over media caricatures that bear little relevancy to the reality on Biden. You have no fricking idea of what you’re talking about. You join Crabtree in the “never waste time on again” column.
“media caricatures that bear little relevancy to the reality”
Oh, that’s rich.
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I only recently started posting here, but now that I see the child to adult ratio around here is roughly 5 to 1, I think I’ll vacate the premises.
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