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It seems fair to say that NY Press critic and NYFCC member Armond White is not only a harsh critic of Greenberg director Noah Baumbach, but that he harbors an intense dislike for the guy. White doesn't claim to know Baumbach personally, but believes that his films speak volumes about his character and personality. Or so he said 27 months ago.

In a 12.18.07 interview with Big Media Vandalism's Steve Boone, White called Baumbach an "asshole." One of his quotes state that "you look at Noah Baumbach's work, and you see he's an asshole. I would say it to his face. And, of course, he gets praised by other assholes, because they agree with his selfish, privileged, stuck-up shenanigans. I don't need to meet him to know that. Better than meeting him, I've seen his movies."

Because of these sharp remarks, 42 West honcho Leslee Dart, who represents Baumbach and Greenberg producer Scott Rudin, decided last Friday to prevent White from seeing Greenberg, Baumbach's upcoming film, at earlyish screenings.

And yet Dart told me early yesterday evening that White wouldn't be prevented from seeing the film in time to meet his weekly review deadline (Greenberg opens on 3.26) -- just that he wasn't welcome to see it presently. I don't know what this accomplishes exactly, but that's her call. She made this decision on her own, Dart says, and not at the behest of Rudin or Baumbach.

I've been on shit lists myself from time to time so I know what this feels like from White's end. I think it's almost a badge of honor to be occasionally disciplined or threatened by movie publicists. Call it an oblique tribute to your tenacity or toughness of spirit or perceived influence...whatever. But where's the beef in this White-vs.-Dart thing? How bad can things be for White if Dart is only delaying his invitation to a Greenberg screening?

It does seem as if White exaggerated when he complained yesterday in an e-mail to a colleague (a copy of which was sent to me yesterday afternoon) that he had been "blackballed." I spoke to Dart after being sent White's e-mail, and asked if what he'd written was true. And she spelled out the above. And sent me a link to White's Big Media Vandal interview.

White told the colleague that a Focus Features rep had "called to disinvite me from [a] press screening of Greenberg. I objected that they were infringing upon my First Amendment rights as a journalist. In a second phone call, [the rep] apologized but informed me that I was still blackballed. Feel free to share [this] information with the NYFCO members."

To go by two group-mailed messages sent my way last night, White's e-mail has led to murmurings from some critics (including Eric Kohn) that they need to stand arm-in-arm with White and that a Greenberg review boycott may be in order.

In an e-mail sent to critics last night titled "Support Your Fellow Film Critics," it is claimed that White "has been blackballed by Focus Features at the request of Noah Baumbach and his producer Scott Rudin." Again, to my knowledge this is untrue as White's Greenberg access is only on hold, and because Dart, according to what she told me, made this call on her own and not at the behest of her employers.

"Some of you may think that Armond is a pretentious pompous fool who has no idea what he's talking about, but he is still a fellow film critic," the letter states. "I suggest we all do three things: One, do not review Greenberg. Two, complain directly to the president of Focus Features, James Schamus, who prides himself on being a writer and supporter of the written word. And three, write directly to Scott Rudin and tell him you will not review any of his upcoming films."

Jesus -- this is like The Ox-Bow Incident! "C'mon, boys...let's ride out and string up the killers of Larry Kincaid!" I'm making this analogy because, as noted, Larry Kincaid to my knowledge isn't dead, and White will eventually be good to go with a Greenberg screening. I don't know how these things get started but they obviously do from time to time. Tempest in a friggin' teapot.

Directed and co-written by Baumbach, Greenberg is an amusingly bent and emotionally downbeat character study of a neurotic 41 year-old carpenter and ex-band member (Ben Stiller) as he takes care of his brother's Los Angeles home during an extended vacation.

For what it's worth I love Greenberg. I've seen it twice, in fact. It's not a conventionally commercial film, but what Baumbach film is? In a 3.1 posting I called it "easily the most intriguing film of the new year...[it] doesn't exactly 'entertain' and yet it does -- it's just operating in a low-key way that's almost entirely about observation, and without a single false note."

Update: Village Voice columnist/bloger Michael Musto, who's also seen and enjoyed Greenberg, called Dart to clarify about the White matter, and she told him the same thing -- i.e., that White hasn't been banned, that he'll see the film eventually, etc.

Further Update: White will reportedly see Greenberg on Friday.

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As much as I think White is a pompous contrarian, I agree with him to a limited extent about Baumbach's films. In TS&TW and MaTW, it's hard for me not to smell an air of narcissism, exploitation, and voyeurism that other people may be take as "probing" or "unsparing" filmmaking. His films' spirits feel summed up by their masturbation scenes.

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Agreed, reverent.

Armond White is the Hannibal Lecter of critics. He's a lunatic who has the ability to cut deeply when he needs to.

And Baumbach is like the semen flinging Multiple Miggs of directors. A man with deep seated sexual issues. His movies, especially to prudes like me, are kind of repulsive.

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Mr. Sheldrake says ...

White cannot be take remotely seriously, especially on this issue. His problems with Baumbach are actually about his problems with Georgia Brown, whom he suggested should have had an abortion rather than give birth to Baumbach. White has no interest in reviewing this film (and frankly, doesn't have the skill to). He is only interested in airing his personal opinions on Baumbach and his mother.

The person who wrote the "open letter" is clearly a complete idiot -- obviously some young kid writing for a fanboy website. Anyone who thinks that a journalist or anyone else has "first amendment right" to attend free, private, studio sponsored screenings doesn't even have a fifth-grade understanding of the Bill of Rights. White can go to a later screening and write whatever nonsense he wants, thus exercising his first amendment rights. The further references to Nazis and "Gestapo tactics" smack of childish ignorance too. How does this kid expect anyone to take him seriously? Does he really think that Tony Scott, Manhola Dargis, David Edelstein, Roger Ebert, or anyone else is going to read his email with anything other than derisive laughter.

White's problems go much deeper than his lack of critical acumen and shallow intellect. His continued, unfounded ad hominem attacks on Baumbach demonstrate what most of us already knew. He's a pretty shitty excuse for a human being. His cynical misanthropy masked in populism and his attention grabbing stunts are pathetic (yet, apparently effective) attempts to elevate himself to something other than a third-rate writer at a fourth-rate paper.

Trying to appeal to the unwashed masses with smarmy winking sarcasm and using mock outrage to hide his lack of intellect? Armond White is the Sarah Palin of criticism. That's a comparison I imagine he would embrace, or at least pretend to. If everyone ignores him, maybe he'll go away.

Posted by Mr. Sheldrake at March 8, 2010 11:28 PM

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Thank you, Sheldrake.

If you're a critic and claim you know a filmmaker is an asshole just from watching his films, that shows a level of bias that probably means you shouldn't be reviewing them for any legitimate publication. I've never heard anything like that from a critic before.

Fuck Armond White. More producers should be blackballing him, and if the NYFCC had any integrity they would remove him from his post.

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Glenn Kenny says ...

You look at Armond White's work, and you see he's an asshole. I would, will, what have you, say it to his face. And, of course, he gets praised by other assholes,

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But is Baumbach a bigger asshole than Junior Reitman?

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erniesouchak says ...

I find it more offensive that assholes like Rudin can run amok & hide behind someone like Leslee Dart. Don't think for a second this isn't a classic Rudin move.

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"I objected that they were infringing upon my First Amendment rights as a journalist."

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Glenn Kenny says ...

That First Amendment line is classic White.

That said, this Dart/Rudin move IS pretty weak tea. I don't approve of blackballing, even of someone such as White, but if you're going to do it, then do it. This "you can see it, just not now" routine accomplishes nothing beyond giving White and his claque the opportunity to whine, loudly. I'd call that a backfire.

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"I objected that they were infringing upon my First Amendment rights as a journalist."

Armond needs to take a class on law. I don't believe the First Amendment was aimed at movie studios and movie reviewers for weekly rags.
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See people like Armond are idiots because they don't understand that a private business isn't Congress. If a movie studio doesn't want Armond to get a sneak preview for a film, he better figure out a way to buy a ticket on Friday. They don't have to play ball with every scribbler for their neighborhood penny saver. They can pick and choose who gets golden tickets to the previews and the ability to interview the stars.

Noah can't be that big of an asshole or he wouldn't have been able to marry Jennifer Jason Leigh. You think she's going to put up with an asshole for five years?

I've met Arrmond. He is a major asshole. I hope to never ever ever meet him again.

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I don't know if Baumbach is an asshole, but his films are shit and I have no problem not seeing Greenburg.

And I also highly doubt White's employer is going to fire him if he skips seeing and reviewing this one film.

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All I know is that I couldn't get through 20 minutes of "Margot at the Wedding."

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I never thought I'd side with someone trying to keep a critic out of a screening, but I'll make an exception in this case.

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This isn't the first time Armond White has been blackballed. I know for a fact that he was once prohibited by one major studio from seeing any of their films. He told me so himself.

Look, studios and their publicists can do whatever they want. I was blackballed by one studio because of the company I worked for. Apparently someone from there years before had ticked this woman off and she knew how to hold a grudge. We just bought tickets on opening day for the first show and had the review posted before 3pm. We might have lost a little lead time, but we still managed to review the movie.

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"She made this decision on her own, Dart says, and not at the behest of Rudin or Baumbach."

So the publicist is falling on the grenade, eh? I don't know whether Rudin and/or Baumbach requested this -- but I'm totally sure her answer would be the same either way.

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J Hoberman confirmed the abortion line was in a review White wrote for MR. JEALOUSY, which ended with:

"To others, MR. JEALOUSLY might suggest retroactive abortion." From the New York Press, June 3rd, 1998.

Perhaps what White meant to say was "He's an asshole. I'm an asshole and we can always spot our kind."

Now, he's also a lying asshole.

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I just saw Greenberg. I must say I liked it quite a bit, but I don't know who either of these guys are so I can't say much about the debate.

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I don't know what this accomplishes exactly, but that's her call. She made this decision on her own, Dart says, and not at the behest of Rudin or Baumbach.
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The further references to Nazis and "Gestapo tactics" smack of childish ignorance too. How does this kid expect anyone to take him seriously?
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Noah can't be that big of an asshole or he wouldn't have been able to marry Jennifer Jason Leigh. You think she's going to put up with an asshole for five years?
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I don't believe the First Amendment was aimed at movie studios and movie reviewers for weekly. I never thought I'd side with someone trying to keep a critic out of a screening, but I'll make an exception in this case. debussy preludes

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How does this kid expect anyone to take him seriously? Does he really think that Tony Scott, Manhola Dargis, David Edelstein, Roger Ebert, or anyone else is going to read his email with anything other than derisive laughter. furnace rating

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Hmm, I really can't believe Armond White would say something like that. I think that personal opinion has nothing to do with being a critic and the man should learn to be more professional.

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