Reason and Principle

Elena Kagan‘s rep as a brilliant and exacting legal mind preceded yesterday’s appearance at her Supreme Court confirmation hearing, and now she has shown herself to be political and gracious and gentle-mannered. It’s also clear that she’s dropped a few pounds and has let her hair grow out so she looks a little less dykey — smart moves. And I love her Zabar’s accent.

42 thoughts on “Reason and Principle

  1. Glenn Kenny on said:

    Um, that’s “dykey,” Jeff. That’s also kind of disgusting, but never mind, I know there’s no point in bringing that up…

    But in the spirit of that, just let me say that it’s too bad SNL is off for the summer, because Darrell Hammond could have had something to do this weekend….

  2. Um, that’s “dykey,” Jeff. That’s also kind of disgusting, but never mind, I know there’s no point in bringing that up…

    But in the spirit of that, just let me say that it’s too bad SNL is off for the summer, because Darrell Hammond could have had something to do this weekend….

  3. Oh, that’s right, I forgot, of course — overweight women who wear their hair short in the style of Kevin James or a typical Akron Fire Department volunteer are invariably straight. Sorry, Glenn….thanks for correcting me.

    Seriously — I really don’t see how the word “disgusting” applies to my having complimented Kagan for letting her hair grow out. It looks better (hello?) and less dykey….okay? Obviously. Ask Andrew Sullivan. You don’t think every hairdresser in the country hasn’t thought the same thing after watching her on CPAN yesterday?

  4. Oh, that’s right, I forgot, of course — overweight women who wear their hair short in the style of Kevin James or a typical Akron Fire Department volunteer are invariably straight. Sorry, Glenn….thanks for correcting me.

    Seriously — I really don’t see how the word “disgusting” applies to my having complimented Kagan for letting her hair grow out. It looks better (hello?) and less dykey….okay? Obviously. Ask Andrew Sullivan. You don’t think every hairdresser in the country hasn’t thought the same thing after watching her on CPAN yesterday?

  5. I meant the word “dykey” is sort of disgusting, Einstein. Or rather, your presuming that you can throw it around like that. Yeesh. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING?

  6. I meant the word “dykey” is sort of disgusting, Einstein. Or rather, your presuming that you can throw it around like that. Yeesh. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING?

  7. gruver, you almost certainly don’t know it because you choose not to hang out with or near people who are overweight, but I think if you did a little research you’d find that the vast majority of adult overweight women over 30, regardless of gender preference, have very short hair.

  8. gruver, you almost certainly don’t know it because you choose not to hang out with or near people who are overweight, but I think if you did a little research you’d find that the vast majority of adult overweight women over 30, regardless of gender preference, have very short hair.

  9. And also, just so I’m crystal clear here, I doubt you would refer to Ryan Seacrest’s hairdo as “faggotty.” I rather doubt that even at the height of your disapprobation of Latinos that you would dis them for being “greasy.”And yet, you throw around the word “dykey” like it ain’t no thing. And I can only assume that that’s because you don’t think there’s a lesbian alive who can hit you back hard enough to make you think twice about it. And that is what I consider “disgusting.” Just so we’re clear.

  10. And also, just so I’m crystal clear here, I doubt you would refer to Ryan Seacrest’s hairdo as “faggotty.” I rather doubt that even at the height of your disapprobation of Latinos that you would dis them for being “greasy.”And yet, you throw around the word “dykey” like it ain’t no thing. And I can only assume that that’s because you don’t think there’s a lesbian alive who can hit you back hard enough to make you think twice about it. And that is what I consider “disgusting.” Just so we’re clear.

  11. In 2006, The “Dykes on Bikes” were able to trademark their name by finally convincing the Patent Trademark Office that “dyke” was not an offensive term.

    If they aren’t getting their panties in a twist over the word then neither will I.

  12. In 2006, The “Dykes on Bikes” were able to trademark their name by finally convincing the Patent Trademark Office that “dyke” was not an offensive term.

    If they aren’t getting their panties in a twist over the word then neither will I.

  13. “Dyke” is almost an affectionate term in gay circles. Certainly among the hairdressers I’ve known. Nobody sweats it except for guilty liberals. The term is always used with a certain brio, a slight chuckle, as in “we get it, girl…whoo-hoo!” I’m sorry that you don’t get it, Glenn. I’m with Ms. Kagan, and I think it’s very cool that someone with her apparent inclinations may soon be on the Supreme Court…very cool.

  14. “Dyke” is almost an affectionate term in gay circles. Certainly among the hairdressers I’ve known. Nobody sweats it except for guilty liberals. The term is always used with a certain brio, a slight chuckle, as in “we get it, girl…whoo-hoo!” I’m sorry that you don’t get it, Glenn. I’m with Ms. Kagan, and I think it’s very cool that someone with her apparent inclinations may soon be on the Supreme Court…very cool.

  15. I just attended the “Dyke March” at Dolores Park this past Saturday, the word was being used pretty freely down there, gay & straight alike.

  16. I just attended the “Dyke March” at Dolores Park this past Saturday, the word was being used pretty freely down there, gay & straight alike.

  17. She reminds me of a 50s/60s character actress, but I’m having a hard time putting my finger on which one. Peggy Cass, perhaps?

    Maybe Prager can help me out.

  18. She reminds me of a 50s/60s character actress, but I’m having a hard time putting my finger on which one. Peggy Cass, perhaps?

    Maybe Prager can help me out.

  19. See, Glenn? The Cool Kidz get it.

    And before things get out of hand, I don’t feel right about using the term “dyke.” It’s the kind of term that only gay people can use with each other, I think. (Just like Latinos can call themselves “S.A.” or Samuel Jackson could call Ving Rhames “knee-grow” in Pulp Fiction). In a burst of colloquial verve I said that her somewhat longer hair looks “less dykey,” okay, but I wouldn’t (and won’t) use that term too liberally. It’s not my place. Although it is cool to use it now and then if I so choose. Because I can do anything within the bounds of reason and rationality.

  20. See, Glenn? The Cool Kidz get it.

    And before things get out of hand, I don’t feel right about using the term “dyke.” It’s the kind of term that only gay people can use with each other, I think. (Just like Latinos can call themselves “S.A.” or Samuel Jackson could call Ving Rhames “knee-grow” in Pulp Fiction). In a burst of colloquial verve I said that her somewhat longer hair looks “less dykey,” okay, but I wouldn’t (and won’t) use that term too liberally. It’s not my place. Although it is cool to use it now and then if I so choose. Because I can do anything within the bounds of reason and rationality.

  21. Oh, I see. I’m a “guilty liberal” because I don’t think it’s the height of hipness to throw around the term “dyke” like I’m one of the “in” crowd. Well, okay then. Glad to have cleared that up. Sorry I’m too uptight to swing with all the rest of you oh-so-free-and-liberated hep cats. What a drag.

  22. Oh, I see. I’m a “guilty liberal” because I don’t think it’s the height of hipness to throw around the term “dyke” like I’m one of the “in” crowd. Well, okay then. Glad to have cleared that up. Sorry I’m too uptight to swing with all the rest of you oh-so-free-and-liberated hep cats. What a drag.

  23. Please use the term “rug-muncher” instead.

    “I mean, what are they going to do, just sort of scissor each other?”

  24. Please use the term “rug-muncher” instead.

    “I mean, what are they going to do, just sort of scissor each other?”

  25. For the edification of us europeans, what exactly is a Zabar accent. Is it relative to a specific US city, part of the country? And sheesh, Mr. Wells, with a persistently needling “friend” like Mr. Kenny, you sure don’t need enemies.

  26. Glenn, I have to side with Jeff on this one. I hear “dyke” used all the time by gay and straight friends. Obviously if he was against Kagan and said something like “I don’t want that dyke on the Supreme Court”, it would be offensive. But the remark was observatory, not derogatory.

    I guess this could have been avoided if Jeff referred to her new haircut as “a little less butch”, but it’s still not a big deal and I don’t think that term is any less loaded.

  27. Rick Blaine: “For the edification of us europeans, what exactly is a Zabar accent. Is it relative to a specific US city, part of the country?”

    Maybe Jeff meant to type “Babar”, and it’s the corpulent folks who should really be offended here.

  28. You are all assuming she’s gay because every woman must have a man in her life or else she’s gay.

    Uh, get over yourselves.

  29. Wells to Ric Blaine: Zabar’s is an Upper West Side delicatessen, frequented by all tribes but particularly by those of the Hebrew persuasion. Most of the women who buy lox and bagels and pastrami sandwiches there sound like Kagan or Nora Ephron or Valerie Harper or whatsername from Seinfeld…that line of country.

  30. Yeah, Phreaker, because you totally can’t tell when someone is gay. That’s a PC line and you know it– “How did you know they were gay? How does someone ‘look’ lesbian?” Always some super-liberal, PC woman or gay guy pipe up with that laughable argument. Gee, Sherlock, I don’t know, I don’t know, maybe because I’m talking about a chick with man-hating hair, a gruff and butch demeanor, zero concession to femininity, who likes playing golf? Or two dudes GROCERY SHOPPING TOGETHER with exaggerated vocal affectations, gleaming eyes, and a lilting stride?

  31. Moving right along: that’s pretty funny, a cat calling himself Rick Blaine who doesn’t know from Zabar’s. “No, you Nazis go right ahead and march into any part of New York City you want, they’ll love you.”

    Lotta “teachable moments” on this thread, I gotta say. I’ve certainly learned something. Now, should I go over to the complaining-about-Emma-Watson’s-boyfriend thread and make some “drop that zero and get with the hero” remarks, or watch this Blu-ray of Imamura’s “Profound Desires of the Gods?” Hmmm.

  32. To get away from the existing line of discussion here…did anyone else see Kagen as friggin HILARIOUS yesterday? I suddenly understood why she has a huge number of passionate defenders. She’s genuinely interesting. (The Jews on Christmas Day quip is one for the ages.)

  33. I don’t know which is worse – LexG actually trying to have a conversation that doesn’t involve the feet of teenage girls or Wells’ description of Zabar’s. That is probably the most lazy description of the place I’ve ever read – this, from a writer. There are at least ten kids under the age of 12 who could have done a better, more interesting, more thorough job of describing Zabar’s. That’s like saying Moma is “a place where cute, shy girls with long-ish sexy feet go.”

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