Shutter Speeds

In a speech given today at CinemaCon, the exhibition industry’s annual convention in Las Vegas, James Cameron has announced he’ll make Avatar 2 and 3 “with a native frame rate of 48 or 64,” which will deliver fluid motion in the vein of Maxivsion (which Roger Ebert has been promoting for years) or Showscan. Cameron will demonstrate various frame-rate samples tomorrow at the Coliseum theater inside Ceasar’s Palace.

MSN’s James Rocchi tweeted as follows: “James Cameron keeps talking about Avatar 2/3. It’s the only time in history the nerd who wants a sequel nobody else does has the power to do so.”

44 thoughts on “Shutter Speeds

  1. DiscoNap on said:

    I know for some reason AVATAR is somehow already loathed in some corners but it seems completely fucking daft to say no one wants a sequel to the biggest film ever.

  2. I had to read that last quote a couple times to understand it. Maybe I’m dumb. But is he really suggesting no-one wants a sequel? That may be the stupidest thing ever written. Fact.

  3. No body wants to see a sequel to avatar? MMM news to me.

    Personally, I would see anything that lets me see more of Pandora in IMAX 3D.

    Mr Rocchi is just being, as we say, a troll, saying something moderately funny that while get people to hit the ol’ retweet button.

  4. Has there been some sort of groundswell demand for 48 or 64 fps that I’m missing? I don’t ever recall hitting the local theater and disappointingly note that, although the movie was great, the motion wasn’t life-like or fluid enough for my taste.

  5. Is there a link to this?

    I can’t wait to see what he does with the underwater stuff. Seeing Sanctum in 3d really made me want to see those docs he did.

  6. I trust Cameron when it comes to all things visual, but I hope it doesn’t end up looking like that “TruMotion” feature on my TV. There is such a thing as too smooth.

  7. Sure, there are some people who want sequels – but Cameron is one of the few to honestly believe he made a classic with the first one.

  8. A quick look at the Avatar facebook page reveals over 14 million followers. I think Cameron’s sequels will do fine. James Rocchi is an idiot.

  9. Well what type of broad ignorant statement is that? How else would you want someone to respond? It’s like people on the internet, in the same small circles, don’t want to believe people love the film and think it’s great.

  10. I sense a Matrix sequel redux here.

    Where else can you take this story? Seriously ask yourself that? What else can you do to escape redundancy?

    It works fine as a standalone. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. When he opens his eyes — I said yes, that’s it. The journey is complete.

    And how many cgi epics are coming out from now till 2014 before fatigue sets in?

    Sorry to burst the bubble of hope but this is a dead horse folks.

  11. I don’t care about Avatar, I just want him to finally get around to watching and approving the hi-def remaster of the Abyss that Van Ling did that’s been sitting around ready to go for over a year.

  12. What an asshole comment. Everybody’s entitled to their opinion about the merits of the movie itself, but come on – a bunch of kids actually exhibited symptoms of psychological withdrawal from the damn thing. Its like saying that nobody would read a sequal to the Old Testament.

  13. “a bunch of kids actually exhibited symptoms of psychological withdrawal from the damn thing”

    That’s nothing a good smack wouldn’t cure.

  14. I effen hate Tru or Auto motion. Every time a friend invites me over to check out their new LCD, I secretly turn it off when their back is turned. A truly terrible innovation.

    Regarding the tweet, one its not true. Was he around when George Lucas funded a series of movies about Darth Vader’s childhood racing escapes? Two, the tweet is just poorly written.

  15. Josh, whether the first one is a classic in Cameron’s own head, I’m willing to give the director of T2 and Aliens the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a sequel (hoping a commenter doesn’t jump in with “That Cameron is dead!”). Until he destroys my faith, I’ll be there opening day. Cameron reminds me of that line in Black Swan about forgetting about perfection and just letting yourself go. Titanic has so much laughable stuff in it, and yet, I still watch it every damn time it’s on TNT because it just gets me hook, line, and sinker. With Avatar, I love the passion behind the movie so much I’m willing to forgive its faults. It just takes me away.

  16. I wasn’t a big fan of AVATAR, but I believe that there is enough setup there for a sequel or two that could actually improve on the original. The idea of the planet being a single living, conscious entity is one that Cameron didn’t explore as well as he could have, and is a hell of a more interesting sci-fi premise than the “Dances with Wolves” route he took.

    What he could use is another writer to help him out, since that is clearly his weakest area. After all, look what happened when Lucas handed off THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan. I doubt Cameron’s ego would allow for that at this stage, however.

  17. I have no interest in the Avatar sequels; however, the frame rate is much more important than 3-D in creating life-like realism. I applaud this choice! Am I the only one who notices how disjointed movement is in motion pictures? It’s okay for fast movements to blur, as is natural, but slower speeds should be smooth. Next time you’re in the theater, try to focus on any object during a slow-to-medium speed camera pan.

  18. I don’t want a sequel(s) to Avatar, but I guess I’m getting one.

    However, I just want to say that while I don’t own the Avatar blu-ray, a Best Buy display stand near my office runs it 24/7 on a 65 inch plasma. It’s INSANE. It literally looks like an entirely different movie than what anyone saw in the theater. I don’t necessarily mean that in a good way; on BD it looks even more like an unreal cartoon. But it’s a BEAUTIFULLY unreal cartoon.

  19. Agree that sequels are totally unnecessary, and also agree that Rocchi is either trolling like a sonofabitch or severely brain-damaged to suggest there aren’t a shit ton of people who can’t wait for them.

  20. A quick look at the Avatar facebook page reveals over 14 million followers. I think Cameron’s sequels will do fine. James Rocchi is an idiot.

  21. There’s a big difference between tru-motion and what Cameron’s proposing (and what Maxivision does). The frame rates are very carefully chosen to maintain the film-like quality – that’s what the tru-motion stuff throws away – while eliminating stutter and strobing that’s endemic to 24 fps. There are actually calculations of how fast you can execute a pan without severe judder in the image, for instance.

    A lot of filmmakers throw the rulebook away, of course, but the limitations are still inherent in the base 24 image. The ones that are chosen here basically maintain crispness and get rid of the artifacting from wide transitional motion.

  22. I understand why the Rocchi thing is getting all the attention, but someone should point out that shutter speed and frame rate aren’t really the same thing

  23. Disco, we’ve been over this. It’s not the biggest film. Hell, even its 15 minutes were shorter than those of Cameron’s last movie.

    markj: Yeah, and Kutcher has millions of Twitter followers, but that didn’t save Killers.

    Homie Cat: “I don’t care about Avatar, I just want him to finally get around to watching and approving the hi-def remaster of the Abyss that Van Ling did that’s been sitting around ready to go for over a year.”

    It’d be nice if he did something with Battle Angel while he’s at it.

    JTag: “Cameron reminds me of that line in Black Swan about forgetting about perfection and just letting yourself go. Titanic has so much laughable stuff in it, and yet, I still watch it every damn time it’s on TNT because it just gets me hook, line, and sinker.”

    But would you pay for Titanic in 3-d?

    Wiggum: Well, if the economy gets worse, you never know. People seem to forget that Aliens wasn’t enough to save Abyss, or that Titanic wasn’t enough to boost interest in Dark Angel. And as “big” as Avatar was, it did not actually save the movie industry from declining attendance, or encourage a “renaissance” in content through 3-D.

  24. I actually wouldn’t mind a sequel to Avatar, as long as they ditch the space marines. I thought the original would have been improved immeasurably by simply having the whole story set among the Na’vi on Pandora.

    If, as rumored, he does the sequel in Pandora’s oceans, I’d like to see it. If, however, he has the space marines show up to “take back what’s ours!”, I have no interest.

  25. “It’d be nice if he did something with Battle Angel while he’s at it. ”

    That’s coming after the sequels. He said he didn’t want to let it go.

  26. @Homie Cat: Yep, The Abyss Bluray can’t come soon enough… apparently it and True Lies are on course for a late ’11/early ’12 release.

  27. Palmer: “Gotta love DZ blaming Cameron for the crappy 3D shit htat followed his pioneering work.”

    Well, he was the one who promoted it, and then flip-flopped by claiming that what he was doing was different from ‘Titans, even though George seems to be going with it for Phantom; so it sounds like it’s the same to me.

  28. @Homie Cat: Yep, The Abyss Bluray can’t come soon enough… apparently it and True Lies are on course for a late ’11/early ’12 release.

  29. I’d be fine with a sequel if Cameron brought back his sense of humor from True Lies and his sense of character development from Aliens, Abyss, T2, etc.

    Both of which Avatar was lacking. In their place were 2D characters and a humorlessness that Cameron’s always avoided … until now.

  30. Bob: “George Lucas didn’t direct Avatar, ”

    True, but he helped pave the way for it with the Star Wars prequels.

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