Morning-After Poker

Sasha Stone, Boxoffice.com‘s Phil Contrino and I kicked it around pretty well this morning. The Oscars, Viola Davis‘s real hair (and the return of ‘fros), the box-office calamity that is John Carter, the hugeness of Hunger Games, etc. Here’s a stand-alone mp3 link.

  • ska-triumph

    Yeah I was looking forward to this morning-after… then you and Sasha are talking with great naivete (with intermittent insight) about the pathology of having black hair in this society. Of course many black people – throughout the diaspora – understands what it means to have a physical presence in the Western world. We understood Viola’s decision; we’ve had and keep having the talk skin tones from Viola to Halle… BTW, Chris Rock produced a documentary about the subject. Called GOOD HAIR… I might add more.

  • cyanic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HUUvQ3Yac8

    Jeff please watch this clip for you to get a better understanding of the whole hair issue and black women.

  • Jesse Crall

    I get where both Sasha and Jeff were coming from on the hair thing…I’m with Jeff here, basically wear the style you want to wear and let it go, but I’m a white man who has no concrete understanding of whatever prejudices a black woman would face if she donned a natural hair style without the Oscar nom and 7 figure salaries to back it. So I dunno.

  • DiscoNap

    Somebody had to talk about why Viola Davis suddenly looked like Simon Phoenix last night.

  • cyanic

    You’re fucked up for that Disco. TBH I had to do a google search to see whom you were referring to.

  • FlashDust

    Sasha, you cannot fool anyone, you were predicting a Viola Davis win.

    No going back and trying to rewrite history.

  • royalonemn

    WOW, Jeff! You sound extremely naive and uninformed!

    As a minority in this country, there are certain cultural things that identify people of color that people change in order to try to live in a world run by old, white men, who have their own preconceived notions of beauty and acceptance.

    If people in the minority were not constantly bombarded with what “white, heterosexual, conservative” America considers ideals of beauty (open any popular magazine and take a look at the models) acceptance (marriage is between a man and woman) and power (Obama is a not “really” an American), then we wouldn’t feel an obligation to try to conform.

    And even if you only identify with one of the above descriptions, you can still be uninformed about some else’s experience.

    And there are a lot of people today who still feel that statements need to be made, because while people aren’t burning crosses in black family’s yards (though there are overt incidents that pop up), most bigotry is subtle and covert.

    But because you are an older white man these kind of issues don’t really affect you, so therefore you don’t feel the undercurrent. It’s just not your experience, which is understandable.

  • royalonemn

    But I do hope you try.

  • Sasha Stone

    “Sasha, you cannot fool anyone, you were predicting a Viola Davis win.”

    I never said I wasn’t. I predicted her from the beginning. But that doesn’t mean I was confident she would win. I only moved Davis to the top spot on my site’s main page a few days before the Oscar – but I hoped she’d win. I dreaded her not winning. It reminded me a lot of Mickey Rourke vs. Sean Penn and though I was predicting Rourke I knew Penn was going to take it. Hoping against hope he wouldn’t.

  • Sasha Stone

    And p.s. don’t tell me the rabid Streep fans have infiltrated this site too. Please god no.

  • cyanic

    To Sasha…Meryl Streep is an overrated hammy cunt.

  • Super Soul

    Thankfully we had Billy Crystal there to remind us that it isn’t normal for black people to be in Beverly Hills.

  • Raising_Kaned

    Regardless of the “fucked-upedness” of the Simon Phoenix comment (I personally laughed), I think you’re even more “fucked-up” if that reference flew over your head on a hardcore movie board.

    Oh well. At least you owned up to it.

    Good “Poker;” honestly the first one I’ve listened to in awhile. I actually much prefer when the Podcast just discusses movies (or other unrelated nonsense), and doesn’t focus incessantly on the Horse Race aspects.

    “I never said I wasn’t. I predicted her from the beginning. But that doesn’t mean I was confident she would win.”

    That’s fine — and I believe you — but when you predict Davis “on the record,” and then say stuff like “well, I knew Streep was going to win,” it makes you sound rather flaky.

    That’s kinda like me saying “I knew the Giants were going to win the Super Bowl!” after the Packers and the 49ers were eliminated from the playoffs.

    If you didn’t predict something would happen before it actually happened, it’s pretty ridiculous to say you “knew it” in any objective sort of context.

  • Raising_Kaned

    And as much as I ripped that Harvard guy (whatever his name was) a few days ago, he absolutely annihilated the major categories. I guess he “only” got 75% overall — which would be really impressive almost any other year but this one — but he must have lost most or all of those short/documentary categories (pretty forgivable seeing how those are almost always a diceroll due to the weird Academy rules and low general viewership of those titles).

  • DeafEars

    Damn, I didn’t get the Simon Phoenix reference either. And I saw DEMOLITION MAN in the theater when it came out! Stallone and Bullock actually had good comic chemistry in that one.

  • Raising_Kaned

    For whatever reason, that movie was a HUGE deal for me. Just came along at the right time for my age at the time (13), I guess?? The right amount of action, right amount of comedy, right amount of romantic intrigue (i.e., not much), good cast (basically Denis Leary as “himself” before he was even Denis Leary!), and rated R — but not a hard-enough R that parents would get pissed-off that you were watching it around the clock on a lazy August day.

    And apart from Batman and the Star Wars flicks, one of the first VHS tapes I owned with my own cash (“allowance”). To this day, I’ve probably seen it more times than almost anything else except for probably A New Hope.

  • Raising_Kaned

    True Lies was another of my faves from that same era, but that one fell out of favor with me pretty quickly after I graduated high school. My tastes grew more refined, and I started noticing things that bothered me about my “favorites.” With True Lies, the pacing’s very uneven, there’s a lot of uninteresting subplot flat-lining, and JLC’s character is just straight-up ANNOYING.

    Having said that, the last 45-50 minutes is non-stop action from a filmmaker who knows a thing or two about the beauty of kitchen sink overindulgence without insulting the audience’s intelligence. And you can’t say Cameron doesn’t know how to end his movies without feeling like you got what you paid for.

    Demolition Man is super-rewatchable, though — queue it up and — Rob Schneider aside — I dare you to be unentertained by its almighty ’90s glory.

  • DiscoNap

    Kaned, agreed I didn’t think it would be such an esoteric reference. They have all been fined one credit.

  • G.N.A.

    Denzel/Al Pacino is a good comparison. It also reminded me of the Whoopi Goldberg/Geraldine Page year.

  • Sasha Stone

    “That’s fine — and I believe you — but when you predict Davis “on the record,” and then say stuff like “well, I knew Streep was going to win,” it makes you sound rather flaky”

    Just telling it like it is. I am a pessimist by nature and I always expect things to ALWAYS go wrong. I dread everything. So I figured if I got all dressed up to go to the Oscars to soften the blow of when Viola Davis loses (but then be happy if she wins) I figure, I saw it coming on some level. I was always worried that Weinstein works the backend in ways that can’t be measured online where I dwell.

  • G.N.A.

    Maybe they should stop calling them “Oscars” and start calling them “Harveys”. The list of embarassing Oscar results he has helped bring about is a long one.

    Robert Benigni beats Ian McKellan

    Chocolat gets the Best Picture nomination that should have gone to Almost Famous

    Michael Caine beats Haley Joel Osment AND Tom Cruise

    The English Patient beats Fargo

    The Reader gets the Best Picture nomination that should have gone to The Dark Knight

    Tom Hooper beats David Fincher

    Il Postino gets the Best Picture nomination that should have gone to Leaving Las Vegas

    They always seem to placate him for some reason.

  • raygo

    Jeff’s multitasking was particularly annoying here. Pay attention man, then you could follow the conversation.

  • Sasha Stone

    G.N.A. The Harvey thing shows how well connected he is within the Academy. So many people “owe” him that they are willing to throw their votes his way. Moreover, he knows how to put contenders at the right events to charm the voters. The King’s Speech was an easy get because those guys were all charming and ass-kissing where the Social Network peeps were anything but. He chooses emotionally moving craptacular sheeite that he knows they will “like” and he’s right.

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    Damn, I didn’t get the Simon Phoenix reference either. And I saw DEMOLITION MAN in the theater when it came out! Stallone and Bullock actually had good comic chemistry in that one.

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