Oscar Poker #90
I was feeling a little bit sour and pissed off during some of today’s Oscar Poker recording. Mainly because of a view expressed by Box-office.com‘s Phil Contrino that 2016: Obama’s America, that hit-job doc that made $6 million this weekend, is…I don’t want to talk about it. But if you’re really disillusioned by Barack Obama then maybe he’s just as bad as Romney…right, Phil? Same difference?
And 2016 director Dinesh D’Souza and producer Gerald Posner are playing the same one-sided game that Michael Moore plays…right? Peas in a pod.
Here’s a stand-alone mp3 link.
By the way, Joan Prather, the Malibu-residing costar of Michael Ritchie‘s Smile (’75), is a Tea Party member.
What really is the substantive difference between this Obama film and Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11? Besides politically, of course. They’re cut from the same cloth, no?
I remember seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 in a theater packed with anti-Bush people. They were hollering and laughing at every edit that made Bush look even more foolish than he already was.
Well, the difference is Moore was right, in retrospect, and Bush deserved it. That, and Moore had to fight to get F 9/11 released at all, while Obama’s America getting made and distributed so easily suggests there’s clearly a lot of latent racist and/or jingoistic industry people (er “Hollywood conservatives”) than previously imagined.
But hey, these are the same hypocritical assholes who give Hank Williams, Jr. a slide, but were willing to burn the Dixie Chicks at the stake.
FYI, the standalone link currently goes to episode #89.
Kakihara ftw.
I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to protect your right to say it.
Unless I disagree.
For the record, I had a great time doing this weekend’s podcast
I’m not saying Romney is as bad as Obama. I’m just saying that Obama is not very good at all based on his first term. He does things that liberals would pounce upon in a heartbeat if Bush 2 did them, but they don’t pounce because he’s their guy, and, well, at least we know he’s better than that other guy! This Us vs. Them bickering is eliminating accountability and its making political conversations less productive.
We live in the information age, dammit. Can’t we get away from this group think? A lot of people in this country would love to have an alternative to the two-party system. Let’s push for it.
I stand by my points about 2016 vs. FAHRENHEIT 9/11. Both films are vile examples of how filmmakers can exploit the Us vs. Them mentality in financially beneficial ways. Want a real political documentary? Spend 45 minutes bashing Obama and 45 bashing Romney and then let people decide.
Woops. I meant to say, “I’m not saying Obama is as bad as Romney.”
“This Us vs. Them bickering is eliminating accountability and its making political conversations less productive.”
What PhilC said.
The people who bicker the loudest are the ones who care more about having someone to hate than they do about political accountability.
This Us vs. Them bickering is eliminating accountability and its making political conversations less productive.
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Those conversations are never productive when two unlike-minded people come together to argue their emotions.
An impressive haul, but as DZ indicates Fahrenheit 9/11 opened on only 868 screens and yet earned $24 million 2004 dollars during its opening weekend. 2016 was opened on more screens than any of Moore’s films.
At least the majority of F9/11 was about legitimate questions of the lead up to 9/11 and the two wars. If you watch it today, it seems almost soft. If someone were to make a critical doc of Obama regarding Afghanistan, I’d be glad to see it.
That, and Moore had to fight to get F 9/11 released at all, while Obama’s America getting made and distributed
IIRC, Disney and Weinstein were more than happy to make the film, but then balked at distribution, at which point the Weinsteins (with an assist from Lions Gate & IFC) brought the product to market.
By comparison, 2016 is more or less self-financed and distributed, with no outside help from either the big studios or the mid-level guys.
Think of righties as the Yellow Bastard from Sin City. They crave for you to cry foul. Shrug your shoulders, however, and they get driven insane.
These cries of “but his funding was unfair” sounds like “what about the children” BS. Ignore the entire enterprise, as to knock it only indulges the right and gives the movie more legs.
In his book “The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11″, Dinesh D’Souza blamed the left for 9/11 and was oddly sympathetic to Muslim radicals who hate America. And now he’s got a documentary out about how Obama hates America. Priceless.
P.S. That was babytalk, Phil C.
Why is Phil sooo hesitant to attribute DKR (relatively) underwhelming domestic on the shooting? American’s don’t like it more than the last, but foreigners love it way more? That’s crazy. No one liked the 18 endings of The Return of the King better than the Two Towers but it still closed a beloved trilogy and made more money.
There was a violent shooting on opening nights Opening weekend was thus 20% down; that 20% had nothing to do with word of mouth, and it’s carried into subsequent weeks. Sorry you were wrong about it making it up with legs in the end, but you should be getting used to being wrong by now.
What would REALLY turn around the perception of Obama is if he landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit. ARE YOU LISTENING, DAVID AXELROD??
Curious what Phil’s take is after reading this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/08/the_new_new_deal_the_hidden_story_of_change_in_the.php
PhilC: ” Both films are vile examples of how filmmakers can exploit the Us vs. Them mentality in financially beneficial ways. ”
Again, what part of F 9/11 wasn’t true? And what part of it was exploiting the situation any worse than Halliburton?
Savefarris: “By comparison, 2016 is more or less self-financed and distributed, with no outside help from either the big studios or the mid-level guys.”
But the point I’m making is that it’s easier to get the anti-Barack “Willie Horton” Obama film made and distributed and suffer no scrutiny or hostille reactions from mainstream conservatives and DINOs. But a movie which argues that “Maybe the cowboy’s a few cans short of a six pack” is condemned as “unAmerican” and full of lies and misrepresentations.
Even Snopes was willing to let politics get in the way of facts to attack Moore.
Phil, trying to be something other than a complete in-the-tank Obama supporter, can’t get a break from Jeff and Sasha, who are so entrenched in their own fevered view that they’re right and that “hate” is the province of others and not themselves.
He’s dubbed “the resident conservative” by Wells. This is what it’s come to, Phil. You don’t agree 100% not only with Wells’ and Sasha’s views but how they characterize everyone else? That makes you a “conservative” in Jeff’s book. And we all know there’s nothing lower, in Jeff’s view.
Sad, even disgusting, but it’s been encouraging to listen to Phil in past weeks slowly awaken to the realization that Sasha and Jeff have no interest in what other people think.
Shouldn’t the “liberal media” be attacking this film and creating a big controversy around it like F 9/11?
Can’t believe Sasha Stone cut off Jeff’s review of Lawless but spent over 10 min last week going on and on about Compliance which I give two sheets about.
I think the Colorado shootings did impact the box office of TDKR. Every weekend since the shooting luge box office drops off after 10PM for all movies. Nikki Finke has reported this. Also DKR is doing great numbers overseas. Made more than TDK already which is what happens with the last film in a trilogy. Should have been the same for the domestic box office. Phil C. thinks saying this truth is taboo. It’s the truth Phil.
It’s not just the shootings. As I noted before, TDKR was the last out of the superhero gate, and Avengers and Spider-Man stole its thunder.
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