You Don’t Say?

At a dinner party last night I listened to the views of a hardcore Obama hater, an older woman who was otherwise perfectly agreeable. I say “hardcore” because she not only embraces the nonsensical view that we’re currently worse off than we were four years ago (when the country was teetering on the brink of financial catastrophe, caused entirely by a Republican-enabled Wall Street gangsta free-for-all), but she’s also a bit of a birther. Sorry, but I rarely come into first-hand contact with these people. They’re out there by the millions, I realize. I had to suppress the urge.

32 thoughts on “You Don’t Say?

  1. erniesouchak on said:

    Yes, and once you leave either coast in this country, you realize what an endangered species logic is.

  2. well, what did you do/say? how did you react? not the version in your head but the actual event…it seems the pay-off to this little squib would be as interesting (if not more so) than the set-up….

  3. “…caused entirely by a Republican-enabled Wall Street gangsta free-for-all…”

    Well, it feels good to say it anyway, right?

  4. Look, if someone has legitimate reasons to complain about Obama, FINE. Nod politely and listen. Offer your thoughts.

    But people who are birthers aren’t worth the time or respect. Shame on you for not calling her on it.

  5. Travis finding the one thing he can KIND OF disagree with and focusing on that. Ignore all the horrible shit your buddies do, Travis.

  6. What made you think she was a birther? Did she say it?

    This whole birtherism thing is a meme kept alive and breathing by the Left in an attempt to make the Right look psychotic. It would be like lumping Democrats in with the window-smashers at WTO confabs.

    Any crack-pot who actually thinks O was not born in the U.S. was never going to vote for him anyway for a whole galaxy of reasons.

    Strawman!

  7. Jeff, as long as we’re pointing fingers, it was Bill Clinton who signed the bills that repealed Glass-Steagal and promoted home ownership to people who could never afford a house. The combination of both poor policies built the financial house of cards that fell apart in 2008.

    George W. Bush had bipartisan support for his two costly wars he waged and a Democrat-controlled congress during the second term of his presidency. They could have fought back for Americans in a constructive way, but did not. When Obama was elected, they proceeded to lie, cheat and steal their way into as much funds as they could get from what was erroneously called a “Stimulus” package.

    When will you realize that neither party has served the interests of the American people over the last twenty-five years?

    The hope I see is that poverty has made us less blind to the machinations of government. There is less our politicians can get away with now because the scrutiny is higher than it’s been for some time.

  8. Wow. I’m not sure even calling her on it’s worth it, though, because you’re just going to get a long, pointless argument with a moron who’s not gonna see any sort of light. Even on H-E, have any of us changed our minds because of something nakedman or Travis said? Fuck no.

    As for birtherism being just a meme, eh…About 10% of the country still thinks Obama was born outside the US, not a small total.

  9. “When will you realize that neither party has served the interests of the American people over the last twenty-five years?”

    Add another 25 years to your estimate and I agree 100 percent, because political social engineering really started to go south during the LBJ years. It has accelerated in the last 15 or so years, for sure.

    Both parties suck. Period. And I will no longer vote for the “lesser of evils” candidate which has been the only way an intelligent person could cast a vote for the last however many decades, and I quit.

    May never vote again.

  10. It’s more than 10%.

    From April 2001 – CBS/NYTimes poll:

    While 25 percent of all Americans in this new poll say Mr. Obama was born outside the U.S., 57 percent correctly said he was born in the United States. Another 18 percent said they did not know where he was born. Among Republicans, 33 percent said Mr. Obama was born in the U.S., and 22 percent said they did not know.

  11. 10% is good. I’d wager 10% of people believe the Mars Curiosity landing’s a hoax.

    The “are you better off now than you were four years ago?” is a valid baseline question for a president. it worked for Reagan in 1980, and Clinton in 1992 and 1996. Obama only had to say “six months ago.”

    Personally, no, I’m not better off than I was four years ago. I’m lucky my take-home pay is the same as it was four years due to paycuts, raise-freezes, and skyrocketing insurance costs, not to mention companies laying off staff and having everyone still there work more. For the same pay. But I also don’t believe anything Romney or Obama will do will inspire CEO’s nationwide to follow Henry Ford’s example.

  12. “This whole birtherism thing is a meme kept alive and breathing by the Left in an attempt to make the Right look psychotic.”

    Did’t Romney himself breathe new life into the birtherism thing just days ago? How is that being kept alinve and breathing by the left?

  13. Not really, except to the clowns on MSNBC. But then again, they think the words “angry” and “Chicago” are racist code words.

  14. Travis is the perfect example of the rank stupidity that passes for Conservative thinking. How do you get through the day wiithout bumping your head?

    Why, The Left made Romney beg for Trump’s support! Then Sheriff Joe whose been investigating Obama’s Birth Certificate and pronounced it “forged” two weeks ago was invited to speak at the RNC! Romney made a birther joke because The Left made him! Try almost 50 percent of the GOP are birthers:

    http://www.frumforum.com/poll-45-of-gop-voters-are-birthers/

  15. The corporations which got bailed out are technically better. The average American, OTOH, is treading water. From a quality of life standard, it *is* worse than it was four years ago. No real long-term professional jobs left, graduates who can’t pay off massive usurious debts, and health care “reform” which is still costing many people an arm and a leg. That’s what happens when you play favorites and let the Wall Street terrorists we should never have negotiated with under any circumstances win.

  16. ‘Jeff, as long as we’re pointing fingers, it was Bill Clinton who signed the bills that repealed Glass-Steagal and promoted home ownership to people who could never afford a house.’

    As long as we’re pointing fingers, aaronhall9000, 52 of 53 Republican Senator votes and 207 out of 212 Republican House votes, yes the Republicans controlled congress, went to passing Gramm-Leach-Bliley. Promoting home ownership to people who could never afford a house has pretty much zippity to do with the crisis that Bush and his Republican controlled Congress (4 out of the 8 years?) ignored. Even though the GOP has always hated Fannie Mae, they wouldn’t touch it because the bankers wanted it left alone.

    That is all history, the thing is, the logic behind these moves is still the GOP’s approach.

  17. Kack. I am no Clinton apologist, but you’re not really dealing with reality if you think his veto would’ve done anything but weaken him politically, besides it was part of his Third Way nonsense where cooperation with the GOP on economic issues gave him tremendous popular support. The point, concentrate now, the point is that this was not an executive order or a signing statement, this was a bill passed with an overwhelming majority by the GOP controlled congress. It is flat out inaccurate to just say Clinton signed the law and that is the reason events transpired as they did.

    In other words Kack, this was a team effort, largely organized by the GOP and so it is inaccurate to say Clinton enabled the worst disaster in decades.

  18. Spin: “I am no Clinton apologist, but you’re not really dealing with reality if you think his veto would’ve done anything but weaken him politically,”

    Please. He was at the top of his game *because* he called out the Republicans for what they were. Furthermore, if he had drawn a line, then it would’ve bolstered Gore’s brand, because then he could argue that the party stood for the public, and not the banks.

    “In other words Kack, this was a team effort, largely organized by the GOP and so it is inaccurate to say Clinton enabled the worst disaster in decades.”

    That’s not what TIME says.

  19. “hardcore Obama hater…”

    In other words, he spoke to a woman who said, “Obama? I’m probably not going to vote for him this time.”

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  21. Thanks, Alexander and JR.

    I think one only need to look at the history to see Clinton was quite game with Rubin, Summers and the same lot of financial gamemasters that are larely still present in Obama’s cabinet. None of that has changed.

    I don’t think the problem is one party or one president. The system has been compromised. Factions form too easily and they have barely any restraint in achieving their goals. When the outcome is the same for both parties why care about the cosmetic differences? These have become masks worn in public. The objectives are the same.

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