Another Cosby Victim Comes Out

Sexual assault accusations have been raining down on Bill Cosby over the last week or two, above and beyond a 2006 out-of-court payoff to alleged victim Andrea Constand. 13 women have reportedly accused the comedian of intimate transgressions of one kind or another. Last Thursday the Washington Post published a piece by alleged Cosby victim Barbara Bowman. In response to which Cosby cancelled an appearance on Late Night with David Letterman and refused to discuss the issue with NPR’s Scott Simon in an audio interview posted on 11.15.

I’m recapping the basics because an old friend, former actress, music industry publicist and journalist Joan Tarshis, has decided to share her own, heretofore private story about her unfortunate encounter with Cosby back in 1969. She had opportunities to spill to the tabloids a few years back but she didn’t want to go that route. The flood of recent Cosby coverage has changed her mind. She got in touch this morning and sent me the following:

“I was 19 years old in autumn of 1969. I had flown to Los Angeles from New York to work on a monologue with Godfrey Cambridge. Two women I was staying with were friends of Bill Cosby, and they took me to have lunch with him in his cottage at Universal Studios, where he was shooting The Bill Cosby Show. He was always generous with his food and drinks, though he never drank alcohol. But he always topped my Bloody Mary’s with beer, which he called a ‘redeye.’

“Cosby seemed to take a liking to me, and so I was invited back a few times. I was naturally flattered. I visited the set on my own and he once introduced me to Sidney Poitier as ‘Midget,’ his pet name for me because I was 5’3″.

“One day he asked me to stay after the shooting and work on some material with him. I was even more flattered and thought this would help move my writing career along. In his bungalow he made me a redeye, and I began to tell him about the earthquake Los Angeles had just had and the sound it made. He liked my ideas for an earthquake bit.

“The next thing I remember was coming to on his couch while being undressed. Through the haze I thought I was being clever when I told him I had an infection and he would catch it and his wife would know he had sex with someone. But he just found another orifice to use. I was sickened by what was happening to me and shocked that this man I had idolized was now raping me. Of course I told no one.

“Back home with my parents, my mother kept bringing his name up as a source of pride. Cosby was very hot then with his first sitcom, The Bill Cosby Show, and she was proud that her daughter had written with him. So the day that he called, she answered the phone and he told her he was inviting me to The Westbury Music Theater. I was repulsed by the thought of seeing him again, but I saw no way out. I couldn’t tell my mother what he had done. Or what I had let happen, feeling the guilt that rape victims often feel.

“He sent a limo to pick me up and I was dropped off at the Sherry Netherland Hotel and went up to his suite. I remember noticing that his leather shaving kit was filled with bottles of pills, and thinking that this seemed odd. He was, of course, very friendly and I, of course, was very uncomfortable. He made me a redeye, and I, being nervous and dealing at the time with an alcohol problem (I’ve been in recovery since 1988), drank it. In the car I had something else to drink, but was already beginning to feel a bit stoned.

“When we got to Westbury and he went on, there was no seat for me. I stood in the back of the theater with his chauffeur, feeling insulted that I wasn’t respected enough to be given a reserved seat. But soon after, I remember feeling very, very stoned and asking his chauffeur to take me back to the car. I was having trouble standing up. The next thing I remember was waking up in his bed back at the Sherry, naked. I remember thinking ‘You old shit, I guess you got me this time, but it’s the last time you’ll ever see me.’

“It took me about 20 years to admit this to anyone. My girlfriend, who was a cartoonist, told me she had heard rumors about Cosby, and believed them. She always thought where there’s smoke there’s fire.

“But during those years as I grew into adulthood, I watched Cosby be praised by everyone from Presidents to Oprah to the Jello Corporation. It all made me ill, knowing first-hand there was something unbalanced about him. I had heard and/or strongly suspected I was not the only white girl he had drugged and raped but I never had any proof. No one began talking until 2004. And though I knew I should say something, I still felt ashamed. Ashamed that I didn’t earlier.

“In any event now, as more and more of his rape victims have come forward, all telling similar stories, the time is right to join them.”

  • http://jessecrall.wordpress.com/ Jesse Crall

    Good on you for sharing, Joan. It’s awful you had to go through it.

    • nalleyne721

      what make you think that this woman is even telling, the true. Just because she is on TV making news. You must be that naïve. A teen alone in California, perusing a Journalist career… California back in the 60/70s was the capital of Prostitution, “young naïve girl seeking a golden career by any means necessary” Now she want to talk about it…

      • http://jessecrall.wordpress.com/ Jesse Crall

        Your impressively articulate, reasoned comment has swayed me.

        • Blade Walker

          nalleyne721 just want to talk about it.

        • AnnaZed

          ha!

          (Perusing is a nice touch, I wonder if English is even this person’s first language.)

      • littlewitch

        Mostof the accounts are similar to this woman’s and there are 14 women . were they all 19 year old

        prostitutes?

        • nalleyne721

          The I missed something??? do you know that statistics can support the fact that most of the young generation (60/70s) were high in runaway and youth prostitution, seeking the I want to be star in Hollywood. I worked the criminal justice system and I came across many homeless, wannabe living a criminal life because the fall down they encounter once there. Now my answer to that Yes , a third of the California generation of the 60/70 baby boomers are the homeless people that occupy the street and some ex prostitutes that started their career at the age of 14,15 ,16 up to 19..Teens. Check the facts

          • dickdata

            A THIRD!?!?!? You must have injested some of Cosby’s drugs yourself to say that…

            • nalleyne721

              You got the right name dickdata,
              Its like you vision goes as far as your butt hole, we are discussing the possibilities that people something tend to jump the gun, when a white person come on TV and give a accurate description of an event that took place 20 yrs. No one but twice, can you figure out, the way people do evil, but manipulating the sympathy of others. If this man is guilty take his ads to court…so he will not created other victims with his behavior. Our society is not bias when it come to sex and gender….so I might not be right on your opinion, but months from now let see how some people can lie, cheat and walk away guilt free…

              • dickdata

                EXCELLENT name calling!!! Your argument is IRREFUTABLE!!! ALL THIRTEEN women MUST be lying!!! (BTW, I hadn’t considered race at all, but it does seem interesting that all of the women who are currently claiming to have been raped are white…makes me wonder about Cosby’s views on race…). As long as we are indulging in ad hominem attacks, how come your command of the English language is so poor if you are “multiligual”????

                • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                  Dick, she is a nut! I think she is a client at a mental health clinic in Lynn, MA! A whackadoo! People are trying to discuss this situation, then you get this nut in the middle of it. Who needs this bullshite! You can tell by the ramblings, they are off the chart and insane!

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                You revealed yourself now. He is your Uncle Bill, good luck because he is going down girl!

          • Blade Walker

            Putting aside the grammatical issues, have you noticed these are not runaways coming forward? These were aspiring writers/artists flattered by an established star taking them under his wing. And then raping them.

            • nalleyne721

              Did you read….How do you know their situation back then, are you close friend, relative, acquaintance. Don’t know Jack. But just female coming forward to stick to a fable well written by a journalist looking for attention. Did anyone of you think that if she would been damage that much, why took her so long? WHAT the he stopped paying her, now is time to collect…

              • Blade Walker

                Yes, I have read their accounts. I know their situation from what they have reported in cases where the statute of limitations has long passed, and they are no longer to claim civil damages. As a victim of sexual abuse, I can tell you from experience you don’t go around bragging or seeking attention for this abuse. It’s extremely painful to recount, and you constantly blame yourself for letting it happen.

                IF you did read the accounts, you would know they did try to report these rapes in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. If you know the history of rape reporting in the U.S., along with the shield of celebrity, you’d realize what an incredible challenge this posed. Some of the victims reported it to their agents, friends, or families and were ignored or denied the claims.

                • nalleyne721

                  I guess you must the very knowledgeable and read the whole articles. I know people very well and they can fabricate drama.. it didn’t matter the law back then. She is white he is black if all these claims can hold a candle, why wait. All she need it to do was said, this Black man rape….that would being the last of Mr.Crosby. money or not she or them didn’t handled then, so who give a shit now…. let talk about Ebola. Now that’s is a mean bitch taking blow without discrimination….

                  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                    I read all of the accounts also. He did this! So I guess it is where you grew up…on what side of the street. It is finally coming back to bite him in his fat ass! Stop smoking dope, or whatever it is you do, go back and read what you wrote just above what I am writing right now. You can’t even speak correctly. Your thoughts are disjointed, but didn’t you mention you were in a mental clinic in Lynn, MA.

            • zipper

              ALLEGEDLY raping them. Do not judge prematurely.

              • Blade Walker

                Allegedly is used by journalists or for public reporting; I don’t need to use the term. I’m allowed to voice my opinion on the events.

                • zipper

                  Of Course you can express your opinion(on anything). But the term “allegedly” is proper & fitting Anytime someone is being accused before conclusive evidence is produced.
                  You judged Cosby on a public forum without due process, and that’s wrong.

                  • Blade Walker

                    There will be no due process; there will be no lawsuits or trial. What conclusive evidence would have to be presented? Rape kits for assaults that happened over 30 years ago? 13-14 women come forward but I gather this must be some huge conspiracy to take down a 77 year-old comedian but they brilliantly waited for the statute of limitations to run out so they couldn’t sue.

                    I suppose the Catholic children who were raped by priests should have presented semen stains, pictures of bruises, eyewitnesses to come forth against the predatory clergy.

                    Sure, throw around alleged all you like. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence all these women are coming forth. Perhaps they just enjoy pretending to be rape victims and getting attention by talking about how they were drugged and forced to suck a famous comedian’s cock. Or woke up groggy, sore, and with Cliff Huxtable’s seed between their legs. Maybe they’ll get a talk show out of this! Or a pay raise!

                    Or maybe they were all raped and it was covered up for decades by a powerful man’s lawyers, network, and handlers to protect the brand.

          • Jerry Konieczny

            Where in the world did you learn to speak English?

            • nalleyne721

              In the same country your mama learn th fuck to give birth to asshole, that will come and get personal, when he couldn’t come out with something smarter that…where did u learn to speak English….Moron

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                Just above…. this insane statement you wrote. Nothing makes any sense. You sound like a street urchin of lower birth. I grew up in a city. I know your type. You are on the lower social scale just by the way you speak. You ramble, and you are very ill….You must drive everyone around you crazy daily!

                • nalleyne721

                  No only ignorant white trash like yourself can stand been told, that if you fuck with the devil, guarantee your ass will get toast. And for you knowing me, no even close. I might had know your papy, the one that use to sell crack in our neighborhood….to pay you second class mentality. Insult can’t get you no where but deep into you own deep shit hole called a city. And for all of you making statement in a serious note…let’s look back at history, white trash bitches going after fame, who give a fuck….How about a honest women, walking home after work getting rape, report the incident to police. And because she was just another case number, her case never made it to the court. No one took time to call the news and report this hideous attack. But a white women, excuse me a hard honest working women got rape twice by the same men 20 fucking yrs back and here we going at each other degrading name calling showdown, just to prove a point…my final point to YOU All is who give a shit if he did it or not…. many women in a daily basic getting beat, rape and disrespected, how many get 5 minutes to tell their story or even get justice done… now Miss Lilly white ass any comments, write it on a sheet of toilet paper and wipe your own ass.

                  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                    Naylene, You are a rambling NUT! You cannot speak English. You are from a very low level in society. That is not my problem. You are very revealing when you state that it doesn’t matter whether the women were raped or not. You are also a low life scum bag to speak like that about other women. What a country it is becoming. So sad for America! Ramble on Naylene, Ramble on! Your as dumb as dirt! Go back to where you came from……

                • http://batman-news.com Patrick A

                  While I think whoever is behind the moniker “nalleyne721” is a poorly spoken idiot and completely disagree with just about every point he has made, do you really feel it necessary to deride him for his social status and or his geneal lines? It is patently obvious that English is not his first language and I would feel comfortable making the assumption he is the offspring of immigrants, likely from poverty. This can make it quite frustrating and difficult to effectively participate in a discusssion with him. Does that somehow make you, me, us better than him though? Because we’ve got nice WASPY-sounding names and our parents made six figures? What is the point of attacking his background or social status? I’m hoping you’ll reply to my post with an explanation for your comment. That you were frustrated with his point of view and his lack of ability to properly express it so you went for the easy target, like we all sometimes do. Because if that’s not the case then it appears you may have some issues of your own to figure out.

                  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                    Hey Patrick, I call it the way I see it! Grow a set of nuts! This rambling nut doesn’t make one point that makes any sense on here. This person, whether male or female, has insulted numerous people on here. It has also insulted a woman who was raped and did give background of what occurred to her which is very difficult to do. Your right, I will go after an uneducated loser scum bag when they deserve it! This discussion is suppose to be about Cosby raping repeated women through the years. Why don’t you stay on point also. A typical guy who does not care about women being rapped. Only me letting some lunatic have it for hurting other people on here. Patrick go hide under your rock!

                  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                    Also, you make me laugh my ass off right now with the Waspy thing. Your right….I am a Was without a P or a C. No religion with my generation. No protestant or catholic anymore. LOL But on Q, about the rest of it! Damn proud to be from those great Celtic countries. Damn proud to have had educated parents and grandparents. Are you such a person who is not worldly, that you cannot tell that this person is ill, truly, ill, like bi-polar, or worse. We do not need that rambling here. Nothing it says makes sense. I figured this was a woman. I do not like to deal with people who need to be in a mental institution. Maybe you want to hang out with this type, hey it’s America, go for it! Naylene, is not good for this discussion on Cosby raping young women. Nothing makes sense what comes out of her mouth! Your a bleeding heart, take your agenda to another place….this is for women and men that actually care about the women who were raped by Bill Cosby!

            • Guest

              Without taking sides on the Cosby scandal, nalleyne721’s English seems normal and comprehensible. Perhaps your reading skills need some work.

              • Blade Walker

                “…and I came across many homeless, wannabe living a criminal life because the fall down they encounter once there.”

                Normal in what sense or what country?

                • nalleyne721

                  Yes, what is you point? You quote, it’s no normal because, there’s no normal. And what country only in USA… the morality level always had to meet the monetary scale. Yes I did came across many of them with their fairy tale that Holywood was the land of milk and honey…so I guess they find out different. And while i got your attention…I am treating real people with dramatic chronic mental aftermath of real rape, sodomized, molested children left behind in the system because, no one did anything. or intervene to protect them. I will show you innocent vs opportunist…

                  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                    You aren’t treating anyone, I have checked. You are a patient!

                • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                  Mystic man, what the hell are you talking about? Talk about Cosby raping women, that is what this is all about.

                  • SPINMASTER

                    Any judge, court in the USA would dismiss these charges. BEcause Back when these so called rapes occurred 20 to 30 yrs ago, all a white woman had to do was say, this black man raped me. And a full investigation would have been launched with Mr. coz in Jail. Now all these woman are saying this some 20/30 yrs removed. Simply no credibility. Either they are all pissed because hush money ran out or mad at how much they got. In either case..NExt!! Case dismissed!!

                    • Benjy

                      Baloney. Cosby’s wealth & celebrity & stellar rep with the public would have protected him. Look at O.J. – a mountain of evidence against the guy, his wife even told everyone she knew he’d kill her one day & get away with it, & boy, was that poor gal ever right!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Ever heard of..Statue of Limitations..Sir Dummy??!! 20 to 30 yrs ago..I paid for a piece of ass. Whether this happened or not. You wait until you are middle aged and broke? What happened? You ate my cavier, travelled the world with me, took the clothes I brought you,..and the money I gave you, Now you want..hush money? Next….case dismissed!!

                    • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                      Keep spinning….Some of these women did try and speak to the proper authorities 20 years ago or so. They were rebuffed. That is how society treats women period! It still treats women like this today! Your not a woman, so you could never understand what this is like, or feel what it is like to be rebuffed by men that think they are intellectually superior over very young attractive women. You will never understand that dynamic, so don’t even try. Absolutely credible! Times have changed…and society is willing to listen especially over internet which did not exist back then. Case against Cosby is just beginning Mr. Spinner, so get ready for the ride! Can’t wait to see this old PIG taken down! These women are very credible! You do not know women!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Susan babycakes, will you please give me some of that stuff you smoking? Cause you be hallucinating bigtime honey!!

                    • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                      Once again Mr.Spinner, you are absolutely wrong! You do not know women! Can’t explain it any further to ya! You think you know all, but you don’t! Women back then thought the same way they think now. They are horrified at a situation like this when it happens. It is called RAPE! You will never understand, and obviously you so not care to try and understand what goes on in a young woman’s mind after they have been attacked by an older man, and a older man that is famous and powerful. Keep spinning you wrong facts, typical of a male that does not have a clue!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      As dumb as you articulate, maybe a man could put something in your Drink!!! maybe, you and I had sex 30 yrs ago. You loved it and now its rape huh? Sorry, I got no hush money for you. No Judge/jury nowhere in the world is gonna buy this ladies story of rape 20 to 30 yrs ago. And nobody is going to buy your rationale either!! Now, meet me at Motel 6 tonight for our regular….

                    • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                      Spinning scumbag, you have now revealed your true colors! You are a typical male PIG! There are people all over this country who are believing what Big Bad Bill had done through all these years. Whether he is ever convicted or not….people will never look at him the same ever again. He has now been judged, and will continue to be judged for months to come for his serial raping. When you play you pay! He is going to pay in a different way! People are not going to want to touch him in the business as much as they would have. YOU.. have no rationale, your just pure filth and ego, and I bet you are a loser mutt. Nobody would want to meet you for a drink or even a burger at McD’s. Scumbag, you couldn’t afford me, I stay at the Four Seasons, and that’s the truth! LOL I fly first class where ever I go! That’s the truth! You are a bottom feeder in life! Sorry Spinner but your ugly guy male friend Cosby is going down for the count! Give him a call, he will need a loser friend to talk too.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      My darling Dummy..Ever hear of the statue of limitations? Look it up..sweetie. I have no doubt mr. Coz banged these girls at some point 20 to 30 yrs ago. Hell, I banged a tour guide in Denmark back then. And I have no doubt these gals were paid for their services..W-a-y back then. But now they are poor..and need money. I..truly suggest an escort service for some cash.
                      And you never told me about that other guy at the 4 seasons you devil!! Guess You’ve up’d your price since the..good ole 80’s huh?

                    • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                      Dummy Boy, You do not know the law! Your a want be guy that all women would want. Just the way you speak, no woman would want anything to do with you. Like I said Dummy Boy, you’ll see how this plays out. Cosby will lose in the end, even if he doesn’t get his ass pulled into a court room. It has already begun. You moron, I own the Presidential suite at most Four Seasons when I am there. I travel alone. Do not need jerk off men around for anything. When you have more money then they have, you do not need any bullshit from any male! I control my world loser! LOL This is the end of this bullshit! Your just an idiot whanna be tough man on campus that you never were. No real man talks like a dumb ass the way you do! You are a perfect sociopath! No more wasting my time!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Ohh Suzy Q, I still luv you!! Just don’t ever try to collect..on allegations from 30 yrs ago. You loved it then. And I..can make you love it now!!!
                      How bout a..roll in the hay?

                    • WiserWords2

                      Bill Cosby was not any random black man. At least one woman tried to tell people back then. No one believed her. Why, because it was Bill Cosby.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Please..may I have a hit of that stuff in your pipe?!!! Any black man accused of raping a white woman in the 1950’s thru 80’s was not only investigated. But also found guilty and placed in prison!! Coz probably did F this woman several times. Most stars do..have bigfun somewhere along the entertainment circuit. She ate his caviar, travelled the world with him, accepted all of his gifts/money. And she kept coming back for more, and now that she’s old, dried up and broke, she wants to cry wolf 20/30 yrs removed? Please, don’t bust my kness!! I’m LOLOLOL hard. Case Dimissed…NEXT!!!!!!!!!!

              • nalleyne721

                How about your face, I am multilingual with 4languages under my bell, what are you a monolingual american with a limited level of sociology and social psychology that would see your simple life as a normal…when the reality is no one is normal….

                • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                  There is a normal scale in mental health your idiot. Maybe you need to contact McLean Hospital in Belmont, MA. It is one of the best mental institutions in the world, never mind the US. They will tell you about that scale, you nut.

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                YES people do need to take sides. This is a serious horrendous issue that is now coming into the light! Naylene is a rambling moron who cannot speak good English. Everything about her ramblings are crazy! She is off point on all of it. Would you really want to sit down and have a conversation with this person? LOL

            • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

              Jerry, I second that! LOL

            • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

              Jerry, this is hard to take when you have complete moron like Naylene on here rambling. She is just filthy mouthed. It gets hard to ignore.

          • zipper

            check your grammar & spelling.

          • littlewitch

            This woman had a job writing for Godfrey Cambridge staying with a friend in Laurel Canyon. Those stats may be accurate but there is no reason to think she was a runaway prostitute. The reason they connected was that Mr Cosby read her material and said he liked it and took her to lunch. This young woman was no “wannabe runaway” she had a job and eventually had a very decent career as a writer and publicist. How dare you cart out your statistics to slander this woman bases on nothing specific to her life.

            • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

              Little witch, don’t even listen to this nut case. She truly is crazy! She is in a mental health clinic in Lynn MA.

          • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

            You just like to hear your own ramblings. Too many younger women he went after, and they were absolutely intimidated! When using the date rape drug, half of these women, didn’t even know what hit them, but they knew something had happened. He is a no good, evil man, he is now being outed! Maybe it just bursts your bubble that your Uncle Bill is no good! Deal with it! It is what it is, and it is all coming out now! Better late than never! Good luck with coping with the facts and reality of life Naylene girl! Not blonde by the way! LOL LOL LOL Get your pom poms out for Uncle Bill!

            • Sumi Allen

              Since when did you EVER care about rape and women? STUPID.
              http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_23871457/timeline-richmond-high-school-gang-rape-case

              This was the most gruesome case of rape, it wasn’t on the news. Why? Because it wasn’t agenda ridden. Where were the “feminists” to protect her?

              I’ve blacked out on wine during a tasting (I watched them pour it from a bottle-no drugs) and I’ve been drugged at a frat party. It happens, I escaped a coming “sexual assault”.

              After dealing with a “woman’s issue”, it became too clear that “feminism” is basic art of MUGGING WOMEN and exploiting our troubles for a quick PR buck with emotional manipulation YOU STUPID MUGGING THIEF.

              Please knock it off with the sensationalism. You don’t care about women. None of them have.

              STupid parasitic nasty little sock monkey racist tweaker piece of trash.

              • WiserWords2

                If it wasn’t on the news, how did you find out about it?

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                Sumi, you are so f–ked up! LOL I can’t stop laughing my ass off! What a dumb ass broad you are! Do some more drugs! Another liberal dip shit! That’s to bad you didn’t enjoy your wine tasting party, you damn drunk! LOL WOAH and you have been drugged at frat party, I am sure you have been drugged many more places Sumi! LOL You dumb ungrateful little bitch for all the women that have gone before you were even born, that fought and put up with so much grief and crap to give you the right to talk like a flaming idiot! Your just a walking sociopath by the way you speak and describe anything…no heart girl! You are a born loser! But…I don’t have to tell you that…you already know that! I myself fought through the 1970’s and 80’s to listen to your ignorant shite! I don’t think so! Your mother must be so ashamed of your mouth you stupid, copy cat vile classless little coward rat woman racist nonfeminist drug user piece of garbage bleeding heart sociopath joke that your parents created! LOL ANL & ADL! Figure it out smarty pants! The saddest thing here, is that your are a COWARD! You would not fight for a damn thing in your miserable little life! LOL Now stay on point….this is about Bill Cosby raping young women…which he has, and now it is coming out, because of the times we live in now! Grow up, care for your fellow females you dummy!

            • SPINMASTER

              You just mad cause Bill coz did not slip you a pill. But with you, you would have just spread your world..I mean legs..wide open huh?

          • littlewitch

            What percentage was that exactly. What percentage of the 40 million young people of that time?

          • Beauty

            I did grow up in the 60s. Television gave an illusion of success through parties, smoking, drinking, and dressing. I came from a background of realism which was that route, Hollywood, could produce a slippery slope. Women and Men are suppose to be encouraged to succeed and not to commit crime. Today, many young men are speaking against other races, running in gangs, killing, just because they are out of control, yes with addictions. However, there is not enough focus to help these people not to become addicted like many other people in other countries. There is not enough medical help to cure people of substance abuse as well as not enough preventions to keep people from overindulging in substance abuse. Look up the history of illegal drugs used in this country during the early twentieth century and prior to that time.

        • zipper

          I call your attention to the 2006 Duke Lacrosse team case. Three students accused of forcible rape & assault by a stripper hired for a team party. The allegations proved completely false, but three young men’s lives were almost totally ruined!
          Rape and Domestic Violence charges are commonly used by ethically bankrupt women to inflict damage on men for various illegitimate reasons.
          That’s not to say there aren’t bonafide cases; there are.

          • littlewitch

            There are zero similarities. If these allegations are true Mr Cosby is a serial rapist who uses date rape drugs over a span of years. The women who came forward did not know that the others exist yet they each gave similar accounts. Some of them tried to press charges at the time and got nowhere.

            What happened at Duke was terrible, and added and abetted by an unscrupulous prosecutor who lost his job over his actions.

            • zipper

              “There are zero similarities. ”
              I disagree, obviously. The point is, littlewitch, that a woman can “cry rape” and most people will instantly believe her and sympathize. But, it isn’t always true. The consequences to the accused can be devastating, even if eventually proven innocent.

              “The women who came forward did not know that the others exist…”
              But, did they all simultaneously come forward with their tales, or did they one-by-one go public after hearing of each one, in turn, speak-out?
              Hint: It’s the latter case.

              “Some of them tried to press charges at the time and got nowhere.”
              Details, please. Something is Very wrong with that. Rape is a serious felony, and if it involves a celebrity, the media will make it front-page news. Not likely it would go “nowhere.”

              • sisterchef

                there are millions of rape cases and almost none that are false accusations.. You’re sick and probably guilty of doing things to women you’re ashamed of..

                • SPINMASTER

                  true. But over 3 fouths of those cases proven guilty..did not wait 30 or 40 yrs to come forth with accusations either!!

                  • jenny787

                    we’re in a different time Bozo…in the 70’s and 80’s ladies did not come forward about rape …times are changing.

                    • zipper

                      That’s just not true at all. No reported rapes for two decades, you say? Sure, even today, many sexual assaults go unreported. But, I know of one case where a girl was raped in her dorm room by a strange guy and convinced the guy that she really liked it and wanted him to come back the next night. She immediately reported to the police, who were waiting for the bastard when he came to her room the next night. Brave girl.(and smart!)

                    • SPINMASTER

                      You Lie!!! You can bet your skevees a white woman came forward in the 50 thru 80’s when a black man did something to her. And the black man was convicted whether he was guilty or not!! Who you tryin to Spin?? Please put down that pipe Jenny. You’s hallucinating bigtime honey!!LOLOLOLOL

                    • rastaman44

                      Why have folks not looked sat this issue logically. The USA of the 1960’s to 1980’s ( when these alleged rapes occured)was a socierty of stupefying racism. Networks could not even show an interacial love story on televison for fear of a negative public outcry and backlash.

                      But despite this fact, Bill Cosby, a black man with a benign public image, was able to “rape” WHITE women without some DA taking him down and at least indcting him? In what world does this crap happen? is this a Fantasy island episode?.

                      The charges are complete GARBAGE because it would not be POSSIBLE for a black man to have gotten away with these actions then or even now. Use your brians, folks. THINK!!!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      EXACTLY!! These women say, they willingly took the wine and pills? I think Cosby may have had sex with them. All entertainers do somewhere along that entertainment circle. But now these tramps are old and broke. So..they want to make money on the talk show circuit. These flewzees took all of his gratuities..free travel, food, advice, free hotels, ect. And now..30 to 40 yrs later they are crying rape. Please..don’t bust my knees!!!!!!!

                • Brandon Smith

                  That’s not really quite true. You are misusing and misquoting a true statistic, that only 2% of rape accusations are dismissed as lacking merit by the police. This cannot be confused with the non-existant statistic, “98% of men accused of rape are found to be guilty”, which is what you are suggesting. The police are not judges, lawyers or a jury. Just because they process a rape accusation does not mean the accused is guilty of the crime. It just means the police did not find immediate reason NOT to process the case.

                • zipper

                  You are truly ignorant to say that. A little research will show how Very wrong you are! And your ridiculously judgmental comment on my relationships with women show you to be horrendously shallow and prejudiced. Perhaps a man-hater?

                • wgone

                  LOL – you must be joking right? Since they have been doing DNA tests, one in 5 test kits exclude the person accused. And this 1/5 is consistent from the FBI labs to private labs over several years. And we are not even beginning to talk about women being natural liars, when it comes to false allegations.

              • littlewitch

                You are just wrong on the facts. The first 6 or 7 women came forward individually, at different times. How would they know There was zero press coverage and no internet. They were in different parts of the country. I suggest you read up on some of this and get your facts straight.

                Most women are humiliated to admit they are raped. The most recent person is a woman in her 60’s. They idea that there is a countrywide conspiracy to shake down Mr Cosby seems much harder to believe than …maybe he has a problem that his celebrity has allowed him to indulge for years and finally a young black comic was able to speak up for these women and get their claims taken seriously.

                • zipper

                  The point is that too many people are crucifying Cosby before he’s had his day in court(if that ever happens). I’m trying to be fair. IF he’s guilty, I’ll be the first to say, “hang him.”

                  • littlewitch

                    There wil be no day in court, the statute has run on most of these cases.

                    • jenny787

                      if these woman banned together and raised enough $$ they could possibly get the cases reopened….

              • Benjy

                The media will make it front page news in this millineum, not in the ’60s, ’70s or even ’80s. The times were very different concerning celebrity. Gary Hart in the mid-’80s was the first politician to be dragged thru the tabloid scumpond for sexual dalliances. Do you honestly think he was the first to do it??????

            • Sumi Allen

              Right, whatever.

              http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_23871457/timeline-richmond-high-school-gang-rape-case

              Where were the “feminists”?

              Wait! The only feminists in THAT story were the good neighbors who simply did the right thing. Not some Pr funded group of political actors, plants and sock puppets.

              Politics is simply showbiz for ugly people.

              • littlewitch

                In 1969 the modern feminist movement was in its infancy. It was such a different time.

                You really have no idea what it meant for a 19 year old girl to declare date rape in those days, they were either not believed, ignored or considered to be” bad sports.”NO ONE was on your side.

                The “consciousness raising” of women in protests groups, tired of being treated like maids in the meetings, was just beginning. You have no idea how much crap women took in those days when they tried to stand up for womens rights.

                • zipper

                  Date rape? I don’t recall Cosby being on a “date” with these women.
                  And to say no one took a woman’s report of rape seriously back then is just BS.

                  • WiserWords2

                    It isn’t BS, it’s the truth. A women reporting rape back then was asked questions such as “what were you wearing?’ It was even legal for a husband to rape his wife. Then, just as today, most rapes are not reported.

                  • littlewitch

                    Because you were there right. most of these women were running lines or meting in his hotel rooms with him to confer about work. Please do some research on the accounts.
                    Ask any woman who was raped “back then ” and even now, reporting rape was and is a nightmare.

            • Phil J Malloy

              if they are true is the key though. there seems to be little or no proof of anything just a bunch of women jumping on the bandwagon

              • littlewitch

                Actually there was no bandwagon . Until recently, Each woman who came forward had no idea that anyone else had made an accusation. You might want to read up on some of the older accounts on a woman by woman basis.

                I think that 14 women telling a similar story of being drugged and raped in different parts of the country at different times over 25 years without knowledge of other similar accusations is a pattern that needs to be taken seriously.

                Were the boys who grew up and reported their molestation by Catholic Priests all lying. Actuallt they were humiiate and bitter and taken advantage of by a person with so much more power than they had at the time.

                The woman who has come forward isin here 60’s. She has no hope of compensation for this. The Statute of Limitations is long past. She iis a woman of some accomplishment.

                Why would she speak up now. Maybe she has felt belittled that this happened in a time when she would have been ignored or reviled professionally for speaking up. Maybe like those men who were molested by people they revered, there is a sadness that can only be assuaged by speaking up.

                Do we really think a woman in her 60’sis looking for” fame and fortune” because she was raped by a disturbed celebrity in the 1960’s?

                • 1bestdog

                  Where are you getting your info? So called 13 other women came from the mouth of a lawyer suing him.

                  • jenny787

                    no way – these stories have been coming up and HUSHED for years – see John Travolta – power and money equals silence.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      That ain’t all that was..UP!!!!

                  • littlewitch

                    Perhaps you should be providing a citation for this case of 13 women suing through one lawyer? I cannot find any mention of this anywhere.

                    Thirteen women did sign on as Jane Doe WITNESSES in the 2005 civil lawsuit brought by a young female athlete at Temple U against Cosby. These women were trying to support her claims. They did not sign on to the suit or receive any money. Cosby settled out of court so none of the woman had to testify.

                    The accuser in this case did go to the authorities. At first Cosby said the accusations were bizarre and untrue eventually they changed their tune and said the events might have been consensual. The prosecutor in Montgomery County PA refused to bring charges. So Ms—- sued civilly

                    So where can I verify there is a pending lawsuit by 13 women represented by 1 attorney against Bill Cosby.

              • rastaman44

                Thank you!!!

            • jamaicajoe

              What is to stop a third or fourth to make up accusations that are “similar accounts”? Why wait 30 years to claim rape? They could have claimed rape 20 or 25 years ago and had evidence or witnesses. This makes no sense. The statute of limitations is long gone. There is no way for Cosby to have his day in court. He could sue for libel and defamation, but that would not be a win win for him.

              • littlewitch

                Being a 19 year old rape in 1969 or 1976 or even the early eighties was not easy.
                especially because these were all date rapes. The very idea of date rape was new. Mr Cosby was a big star and these girls were mainly “kids.” Look at the ecoriation of them NOW in this enlightened age. Apparently several of them did try to bring charges. Most date rape is… he said she said. So prosecutors were reluctant. Also there was no thread linking these events together so the fact of a “pattern ” escaped prosecutors. They did what you are doing, they discredited each of the women. Also most of these girls were aspiring to careers in show business I am sure they feared retaliation which probably Mr Cosby counted on.
                Many of these events predated the CSI revolution. Don’t forget half of all rapes are not reported. It does not mean it did not happen.

                I think these women were taken serious advantage of when they were just starting out in life, relatively powerless. At a time when women were not encouraged to come forward with abuse/rape experiences, they feared professional retaliation and they were humiliated by someone they held in high esteem. Much like boys abused by Catholic priests who grew up and needed to tell of this particular betrayal of trust, these women want to tell their experience,

                • zipper

                  You may be very right, but then again, very wrong. If ANY of these women Now coming forward had filed formal police reports and taken tox screens(even if done on their own) at the time, they might be credible.

                  “..most of these girls were aspiring to careers in show business…”

                  Did it occur to you that maybe they had consensual sex for just that reason?
                  Once again, Cosby could likely have his pick of WILLING girls for sex. Why risk his career? He’s a smart guy. Unless he’s disturbed, it’s just not logical.

                  • Benjy

                    Aren’t all rapists “disturbed”? If he’s guilty, he’s obviously disturbed!

                    • zipper

                      agreed

                  • WiserWords2

                    Rape is not about sex or logic, it is about power. Is Cosby, a married man, risking his career by having consensual sex logical?

                    • zipper

                      Right. So how much Less logical is it for him to risk his career, and more, by raping a woman?

                  • littlewitch

                    Who pays for their own tox screens when they are 19 years old please get real. Please research this material you really have no idea what you are talking about .

                    • zipper

                      Were they all 19? Also, the 19 y.o. was a screenwriter who, doubtlessly, made a pretty penny on her job. If any had gone to the hospital and claimed they were drugged, the EMR physician would have ordered the tox screen. Maybe you should spend a little less time on “research” about celebrities, and perhaps you’d have enough common sense to know what YOU are talking about.

                    • littlewitch

                      No reason to be insulting. I research many things I have many interests.

                      IShe was not a screen writer she was a comedy writer just starting out. I think she was afraid it would hurt her professionally if she went after the rising star that Mr Cosby was. That kind of thing can be very intimidating for a young woman, then and even now. You might want to research the 2005 Civil case brought by a young Temle Student. She went to the police and was brushed off. She was slandered in the Tabloids by Mr Cosby and his attorney. Under the circumstances, common sense does not make a lot of sense.

                    • zipper

                      “… common sense does not make a lot of sense.”
                      That’s a beaut! Does much to show your mentality and explain your total refusal to view this issue from an unbiased perspective.
                      More dialogue with you is wasted. bye-bye

                    • littlewitch

                      Thanks God!

              • zipper

                why wait 25 Minutes?!

            • Chad Chen

              Is a whiskey sour a date rape drug? It makes some women feel dizzy.

              • littlewitch

                Any substance used as an incapacitating substance is a date rape drug. Rhohypnol is a common one because the woman is not aware of it in her drink, she becomes incapacitated and often has no memory of what happened.

              • Muscle McGurk

                So does a crisp, freshly-minted Benjamin.

          • Ursa Da Bear

            @ zipper: According to the Department of Justice, 2% of rape allegations wind up being false. That’s the same percentage as people who falsely claim their car has been stolen. Coincidentally, it’s also the same percent for rape trials resulting in a conviction. Some people love to drag out the Duke Lacrosse team as an example of women lying about rape, when really it’s a high profile case that says nothing.

            • sisterchef

              Cosby will burn and hopefully, kill himself

              • zipper

                And you had the Nerve to call Me sick?
                You need help!

                • sisterchef

                  Stop clutching your pearls gramma.. you know he’s a rapist all your fake outrage can’t mask that. He’s so finished.. I’ll watch an smile..

                • wgone

                  No she is seeking attention and you are giving it to her.

                  • zipper

                    not any more!

            • zipper

              To say that the Duke case “says nothing,” tells me you are a denier.

              • Ursa Da Bear

                Hardly. You’re trying to hold it up as evidence that women lie all the time about such things. Despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen. 2% of the time as I pointed out above. With your continued insistence that something like this couldn’t have actually happened, you seem to be the one denial.

                • zipper

                  Nice try to discredit my statements by spin. I never said, or implied, “…that women lie all the time about such things.” I never said, or implied, that something like this could never happen. I am trying to give Cosby a fair shake, unlike some of you here who have him already tried and convicted without due process.

                • wgone

                  2% is BULLSHIT! its completely made up. Here is where it came from

                  “It apparently traces its lineage back to Susan Brownmiller’s legendary
                  “Against Our Will,” and her citation for this figure is a single speech
                  by an appellate judge before a small group of lawyers. His source for
                  this statistic was a single area of New York that started having
                  policewomen conduct all rape interviews. This is not data. It is an
                  anecdote about an anecdote.”

            • wgone

              Can you quote the Justice Department for this – this figure is not from the justice dept? Thats a common feminists lie – its a made up figure see here – http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false

              • Ursa Da Bear

                No it’s actually from the department of justice webpage back in 2012. You can check it yourself. Or you can throw some blogger crap up if you want. I’m not contesting that their methodology might be crap but to say that it’s a feminist conspiracy is bullshit. That’s the figure that DOJ listed in connection with this back then.

                • wgone

                  No its not from any reliable source – its a lie that fembots keep repeating. The article i linked to discusses where the figure came from.

          • Beauty

            One of the females from the Duke Lacrosse rape case is now in jail.

            • littlewitch

              so what

              • Beauty

                Just saying what happens to women even if they are not proven to be innocent of charges that have a negative outcome. I wish that the particular accuser had had a different outcome in life. The other female who was interviewed by Ed Bradley’s during one of his last interviews has not been heard from since the event. That young lady said nothing happened. Just saying.

          • Benjy

            There are far more rapes & other sexual assaults than false allegations. The legal record proves that.

          • http://batman-news.com Patrick A

            That is true, false charges are used all the time to damage the images of good men. Actual rapes and instances of domestic violence also happen all the time. I’m open to either of these being the possibility with Mr. Cosby, what makes you so sure it’s one or the other? (I am admittedly inferring your stance on the issue, which you have not explicitly stated, based on your numerous comments. Feel free to correct me if i’m wrong about that)

          • Beauty

            The allegations were true. There were no medical reports given except changed. Do you remember the old boys’ club? Well you saw it in action in a white southern university. They stick together.

            • zipper

              you’re so full of it! those students were suspended, the team’s season was cancelled, and the coach forced to resign. Some “old boys’ club!” the players who were indicted had the charges dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct and the lying of the accuser. You are beyond stupid!

              • Beauty

                The lady who reported the rape was harassed and now is in jail. The other girl in the case gave a completely different story to Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes. The students were suspended, reinstated, sued, and won millions of dollars. The coach got a job elsewhere. His life was not over. I lived in Durham and do not have to call you a name just because you are white. Your rage shows for anything that represents minority, take up for minority, or speak the truth as to what really happened in the case. Since you were not there, then return your namecalling for someone who was there back to yourself. Sounds as if you may by a little bit under the influence – racism that is.

                • zipper

                  You accused the school of white-washing the incident and they Did Not. False statement on your part; maybe racism?
                  You were there? REALLY there?
                  Don’t think so. The courts decided the case, but you, in your arrogance and racism(?), know better. Right.
                  The only rage I have is for injustice, and stupid people making false accusations that affect people’s reputation and lives- like you suggesting I’m racist. Typical of Liberal condescension.
                  P.S.- Your English skills need some help. Take some classes.

        • Chad Chen

          There are not 14 women. There is a law suit that claims there are 13 women who could testify against Cosby, but most of these 13 women are women known to be Cosby’s mistresses, living off his money for years and years in obviously consensual relationships. Some women take the money. Others take the money and still complain. Some never get money, so they complain.

        • 1bestdog

          No a lawyer came up with the 13 other women claim but never produced them.

        • jenny787

          are you a prostitute? You likely are.

          • SPINMASTER

            No. But the tramps making those allegations sure are/were.

      • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

        You cannot even speak English correctly on this blog. You sound like the one that does drugs all the time. You do not even care about women. You are a moron the more you try to speak, because nothing makes any sense what you are trying to say! You are all over the place as if you are Bi-Polar or something else. I would say you are a person who needs mental care. It’s obvious from your ramblings. Normal people are on here discussing a serious subject and then you appear, and whatever it is your trying to say, nothing of it makes any sense! Go get help!

      • Brandon Smith

        I really want an expert to discuss the concept of date rape drugs in 1969. That seems really anachronistic to me…

      • jenny787

        why believe any victims of rape, abuse, extortion? Why believe anyone right – especially a woman. Pig.

      • rastaman44

        Why have folks not looked sat this issue logically. The USA of the 1960’s to 1980’s ( when these alleged rapes occured)was a socierty of stupefying racism. Networks could not even show an interacial love story on televison for fear of a negative public outcry and backlash.

        But despite this fact, Bill Cosby, a black man with a benign public image, was able to “rape” WHITE women without some DA taking him down and at least indcting him? In what world does this crap happen? is this a Fantasy islandepisode?

        The charges are complete GARBAGE because it would not be POSSIBLE for a black man to have gotten away with these actions then or even now. Use your brains., folks. THINK!!!

    • Blade Walker

      Thank you, Joan, for having the strength to speak about this very painful issue. As a victim of sexual abuse as a child, I can sympathize.

      • nalleyne721

        Two different issues, you was a helpless child, these woman where older enough to choose a path… I do empathize with you, but the facts are not all there…let’s wait.

        • Blade Walker

          In each of these cases, the victim is drugged causing them to become helpless. Where is the choice for a woman in this case?

          • nalleyne721

            Don’t do drugs…or hangout with people you don’t personally known well enough to have drinks or ride a limousine that will dropped you at a hotel /motel….here we are discussing fact that have been told by one person, for what reason, we don’t fucking know. But yeah, Mr.Crosby did all this to all of them, but what is the point, why other female suffer because one kept her mouth shut for 20 yrs…please give a fucking break…others paid for her stupidity…so sympathy from me.

            • joeybot

              You asshole, it’s not even a “don’t do drugs” story. Man, do you even live life? Where maybe you end up going places with people you have met but don’t know well enough to be best buddies? Or do you sit at home, playing videogames and not really doing shit?

              You know, if this is a true story, he could have just as easily drugged a soda of hers or something.

              • AJ Ramos

                This is all BULLSH*T!!! Trying to make a fast buck and NOW all of a sudden others pop up!!?? LMFAO – fu*ken American women!!! You go out with strange men and do everything under the sun but once you’re older and realize what a Ho you were for engaging… you want compensation. What a F’n joke!

                • Benjy

                  You’re the joke & full of B.S. Talk to the women in your life & you will be shocked at how many of them have experienced some form of harrassment from men. My sister & I were discussing this & recalled nearly 20 different stories from women we know & love who have experienced sexual abuse in varying degrees. It’s far more common than anyone is willing to admit. I love the Coz, but man, there are way to many women over decades coming out against him to naively defend him.

                  • jenny787

                    drugging in clubs happens to nice girls and men every day.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Guess you would know from slurpin them down back in the day huh Jenny?!!!!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Then stay your Stank A..out of clubs!!!

                  • Awi1967

                    I definitely agree Benjy!

                • jenny787

                  really? get educated you pig.

                  • Jeremy

                    Said the moron who doesn’t know how to capitalize the first letter of the first word in a sentence. You need to get an education you hypocrite.

                • Muscle McGurk

                  Fuk dem bitchez

                  • SPINMASTER

                    Say Muscle, These flewzees admit they kept comin back for more wine and pills. Sounds like..party hoes to me?!!!!

                    • Misanthropic714

                      You have said the same sentence over and over. Something tells me that you have probably never have been to a party or have seen a “ho.”

                    • SPINMASTER

                      I’ve been to Helsinki, Copenhagen, Berlin, Moscow, Paris, Rio,..ok you get my pt. PARTY has different connotations for different people. Party of 1 Party of 3, or Party in my hotel room..for you and me!!!!!!!!!!!

                • joeybot

                  Ramos…that’s not an American name, is it? You probably cut the heads off people, don’t talk to me you non-American fuck.

                • Lynette Manieri

                  LMFAO at you for being so simple you cannot see the truth. Are you trying to tell us all those women lied? Now that is unmitigated pure Bull!

                  • Jeremy

                    One of the women accusers got out of prison for fraud.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      She probably was..banging the guards!!!

                    • Misanthropic714

                      Because all women are “hos” right?

                    • SPINMASTER

                      No. Not all. Just those who have no self respect and carry themselves like trash. Those who make allegations..20 to 30 yrs after the fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    • Lynette Manieri

                      Jeremy, with all due respect, rape is a crime of power and control, not sex. That is what everyone is so confused about. If you read his history and his control issues that are blatant, you can see where this fits in. There is no evidence after all of these years. I can see why the women were afraid to come forward for so long. Here is a man who is adored, controlled and in power. What did they have that would even conclude any ot this? He has admitted to romantic affairs while married, but that does not prove rape. Again, Rape is not about sex. That what is so confusing and has confused many people. You cannot put affairs and cheating with rape.. They are very different things. I am sorry, Jeremy, but I believe he did these things and he will never be punished for the crimes against humanity. You can bet, tho, if it were men he did this to he would have been wacked years ago. This is social injustice at its best. This is my honest opinion

                • monona

                  Agree! and she like the game when she continue seeing him. Please give me a break!

                • SPINMASTER

                  Exactly my brother!! And these Flewzees said they kept coming back for more wine and pills. Sounds like..Party hoes to me!!!

                • Misanthropic714

                  As an American women who has never done any of that, piss off with your generalizations.

              • WiserWords2

                It’s very safe in mom’s basement.

            • Blade Walker

              Is it ESL Commenters Week on Hollywood Elsewhere?

              • Lynette Manieri

                Be nice to ESL people. They are people, too.

          • zipper

            Helpless? She was with-it enough to come up with a “clever” comment, and to recall the incident in detail 35 years later. How many of us have had too much to drink at a party and couldn’t recall the things we did or said the next day, even?

            • Karen Varbalow

              Perhaps you don’t understand the kind of drug that is used here. Rohypnol or other similar date rape drugs often times leave the victim physically paralyzed but able to think and remember normally.
              It certainly sounds like there was no consent here.

              • runnerin1

                This was 1969. That kind of synthetic drug was not available.

                • Spirit Wind

                  Quaalude
                  Chloral Hydrate
                  Meprobamate
                  Phenobarbital, Seconal, Tuiinal
                  Librium, Valium
                  Available in the 1960’s and mixed with alcohol.all of the above are very capable of inducing a state of semi-consciousness. Drugging a person to gain sexual advantage has even going on for a very long time- always helps to do a little research………

                  • zipper

                    Why don’t you do a “little research?”
                    Mixing those drugs with alcohol is risky business and can be fatal, if caution isn’t observed. To induce a comatose state would also require a fairly large dose of drug, enough to be definitely noticed in one drink.

                    • Brian Kirkland

                      All the more reason to have contempt for someone who’d do something like put a drug in someone’s drink without consent; it could be deadly.

                    • Awi1967

                      Thank you Brian!

                    • Karen Varbalow

                      You obviously are convinced you are right and nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise. Maybe you also believe that a woman can’t get pregnant if it’s “legitimate rape.” Maybe you can become a rape expert along with Todd Akin.

                    • zipper

                      Ah, you cannot debate the issue, so you dismiss my unbiased views with false suppositions. Typical.
                      Do you really hate men so much that you can’t acknowledge the Possibility that Cosby is innocent?
                      I pray you never wind-up on a real jury.

                    • Karen Varbalow

                      Actually I don’t hate men at all. I just find the information which has presented leads to a conclusion that Cosby was indeed a rapist. Nonetheless if I were to sit on his jury I would listen to ALL the information. I doubt we’re hearing everything. I also doubt he’ll ever see the inside of a courtroom and that’s what bothers me the most.

                    • zipper

                      Well, Karen, this is the most open-minded post from you yet. Maybe there’s hope. lol
                      I wish this affair would have gone before a grand jury 35 years ago!
                      Now, the man’s reputation has been tarnished by unproven innuendo.
                      Of course, that matters little to some of the femlibbers here, who are hell-bent on castrating that “pig,” Cosby,

                    • Misanthropic714

                      If Bill Cosby hadn’t spoken out about the horrible state of the black community and held the parents accountable, the media would not be on him like this. He sounded like a conservative and the media don’t like that. Also, If this happened once, why the hell did the women drink a beverage around him again? Nobody deserves to be raped, even if they purposely put themselves in compromising positions with married men. But, Cosby doesn’t deserve to be tried in a court of public opinion, either.

                    • zipper

                      thanks for voicing a fair opinion. it’s a refreshing counter to what seems to be an unrestrained, emotion-driven attack by feminist man-haters.

                    • Ross Vachon

                      Zipper’s feeling with women is limited to his extensive porn collection.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      arent these “ladies” the actresses in those porn collection items? better check!

                    • Ross Vachon

                      Bill Cosby deserves to be chemically castrated if not given the gas. He’s the most depraved serial rapist in American history.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      you do not know that.. sounds like a frame job to me. Media needs to look up these “ladies” I think.. If they are lieing, they need to be strung up high.

                    • you asked

                      Read my response to Dave Koch below, with links about the women. I hope more research is done on the women, because it has already been proven that many of them lied.

                    • Stephen Tanenbaum

                      Like his most famous accuser Bev Johnson who alleges he came at her and he he he …”touched my WAIST” then she objected and he evicted her, got her a taxi and she went home. ZERO sex, no sex crime and she is again one of his most famous accusers. She is one of your serial rape victim… Exactly how does touching a waist equal rape? or Carla Ferrigno alleging one kiss, then they chatted about it and she went home. NO SEX, NO SEX CRIME. Another of your serial rapes. Read actual accuser statements.

                    • Stephanie Jones

                      Thanks I was wondering the same thing you said why would she put herself in that position again. First time shame on you second time same on me.

                    • F Washington

                      I’m with you Zipper….at certain points in this interview she looks like she has to think of her answers, and Don was helping her out with his multiple choice questions ….

                    • Ross Vachon

                      F. Washington.is with Zipper. It’s two beetweeds beating off in a,semi-circle at this point.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      because he did not do anything. These are character assasins.. can you not see that? So you think 26 women are waiting 30 something years not saying anything to anyone? Really?

                    • Stephen Tanenbaum

                      What facts? See my above lengthy comment. She admits she did NOT say NO, did NOT push him away, did NOT say STOP (when he found the other orifice), admits she was conscious (alleged rape #1)did not leave and does not tell us he used any threats or force or that he stopped her from leaving.What do you make of all these FACTS she admits by these glaring omissions in her article.

                      It is not enough to say… he raped me and admit the above all of which is consistent with an actress wanabee exercising adult consent.
                      There are no facts re: alleged rape #2 since she admits she was not conscious and does not know what he did or did not do.

                    • Jeremy

                      Exactly, but this is America for you, guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion.

                    • Dave Koch

                      13 women women have accused him you ignorant asshole. Do you think that’s a coincidence? Have you tried for one second to put yourself in a woman’s shoes? Coming forward and admitting you were raped is not an easy thing for a woman to do and it would be incredibly rare for a woman to lie about being raped just for fame or the possibility of money.

                    • zipper

                      I don’t know what crevice you crawled out of you foul-mouthed cockroach, but crawl back in it.

                    • Ross Vachon

                      Zipper who screams obscenities at the porn stars he masturbates to does not like foul language applied to himself.

                    • F Washington

                      What time are you living in where these type of things are incredibly rare??? People will do anything for a little bit of notariety and some cash…..

                    • Ross Vachon

                      F. Washinton who can’t spell hasn’t had a woman in bed since his mother tucked him.in when he was 12. Bitter, boxed in, and beating it to porn.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      why the animosity? Can not handle possible truths that F Washington is simply stating?

                    • zipper

                      This disgusting cockroach, Ross Vachon, has some extreme psychological problems. He obviously has a deviant sexual fixation. He uses the relative anonymity of the Internet to spew filthy personal attacks that, if said face-to-face, would get him a beating he would never forget.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      If I was in the women’s shoes they would be walking away from the scene instead of spreading my legs to get attention and the career boost they think they are getting… Whores all.

                    • you asked

                      How do you know how “hard it is for a woman to come forward & admit they were raped”? It took me all of 5 sec. after my rapist was out of my eyesight to report him to the nearest MP. I didn’t hesitate at all. I reported it immediately. So,for the women who waited years & in some cases decades, I have to ask why? It wasn’t that Mr. Cosby was so powerful. He was an actor & comedian, like so many others. In fact, it would have been far worse, if a black celebrity raped a white woman. Yes, even though civil rights had progressed, it still would have created a public outrage, especially if there was proof.

                      There is no shame, for any woman being raped. The shame is on the rapist. I went through the exam, all tests available in the ’70’s, as well as numerous questions, pics, the whole 9 yards. I reported my rapist, not only to protect myself, but to prevent what happened to me, to happen to anyone else.

                      Even IF the allegations are true (which I don’t believe, because nobody reported it) why wouldn’t they do the right thing & report it so that it could never happen to another woman? That thought sure crossed my mind. If I had not reported it, then I would be just as responsible for allowing a rapist to continue their assaults against women.

                      It is only when women use excuses not to report a rape, that I find shocking. I also find it shocking that anyone who claims they were raped, would put themselves in the same position again & be alone with the person they accuse of sexually assaulting them.

                      I also find it highly irregular that of all the women, who have made allegations, not 1 of them went to a hospital, let alone the police. Weren’t they concerned about what drugs they were given, the possibility of contracting an STD or getting PG?

                      BTW, many of the women who have made allegations against Mr. Cosby have been proven to be lying. Many have prior history of filing false allegations, some of them, involving other men. Such as PJ Masten, Beverly Johnson, Chelan Lasha to name just a few.

                      Judith Huth, who claimed she was drugged & assaulted at the Playboy mansion, at the age of 15, even had family members & her BFF say that she is lying. Her BFF said that on the day Ms. Huth claims to have been assaulted by Mr. Cosby, Ms. Huth called her & was “so excited” because she ran into Mr. Cosby on the street. The BFF said the Ms. Huth told her she asked Mr.Cosby for his autograph & to take a photo with him, which he did. The BFF said that she later came to her house, still excited about meeting Mr.Cosby on the street, but never once mentioned she was taken to the Playboy Mansion. Sure was a fast trip, if she did, because according to the BFF, shortly after the autograph Mr.Cosby signed for her & the pic was taken, Ms. Huth went to her BFF home, still excited by the meeting with Mr. Cosby.

                      What about Louisa Moritz, a former actress, who accused Mr. Cosby of assaulting her in a dressing room, when they appeared together on the Tonight Show in 1971. A quick check of IMDb, will prove that they never appeared on the Tonight Show at the same time in 1971. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0605770/?ref_=nv_sr_1#self

                      Even Iman said that she doesn’t believe Beverly Johnson’s allegations. Iman said that she was very close to Beverly & they shared everything. She said the only thing that BJ was upset about, was not getting the gig on the Cosby show. But, after a week, she got over being upset.

                      You should also do some research & find that BJ had a history of making false allegations against 2 former boyfriends (Chris Noth & Mark Burk) & went so far as to take it to court. The Judge ordered her to turn over the pics, to authenticate them. Instead of doing that & proving that she had doctored the photos, to make it appeared that she had been physically abused, she & her attorney tore the pics up in the courtroom, so that the pics couldn’t be authenticated. Even BJ own PI testified against her & said she was lying & made the whole thing up. Finally, BJ admitted in court that she had lied. So, why wasn’t she charged with making false allegations? She ruined 1 of the ex boyfriends, where he was left homeless. Before that he was a professional golfer & also gave golf lessons. That is how BJ met him, when she hired him to give her gold lessons. But, once the truth finally came out, she was angry that he was offered a golfing show.

                      Have you read the letter that a former Wilhelmina model sent to a website on how she was offered money to set up Mr. Cosby?http://freeyourmindandthink.com/wilhelmina-model-paid-to-destroy-bill-cosby-comes-forward-fym-exposes-the-truth/

                      You can also find Iman’s story there, as well as the friend of Judith Huth & other articles that might give you another view of why the women are making the allegations. Just check the links at the bottom of the articles for other stories.

                      I have found many discrepancies, in the allegations & until there is proof that any type of assault occurred, then Mr. Cosby is innocent, until such proof can be presented.

                      I guess, for some in the general public, allegations are enough for them to determine someone’s guilt or innocence. I hope you are never put in a position, that people make false allegations about you & you are unable to prove that you have done nothing wrong. Just because there are numerous women, do you really think it is impossible for women to jump on the bandwagon & make the same allegations – especially when they waited long enough for the stories to be published or on TV. Many women are receiving financial gain by speaking on TV shows or selling their stories to the media.

                      I’m sure some are hoping that Allred will get them that $100 million settlement. Speaking of Allred, did you know she also represented PJ Masten in another case, where she falsely accused another celebrity (Marv Albert)? Even the initial accuser, who set up Mr. Albert said that Masten was only jumping on the bandwagon for financial gain. Problem is, it was also proven that the initial woman, who claimed she was sexually assaulted by Albert, had been in a long term relationship with him & she personally asked him to bite her during their “sessions”. When that came out, she lost her case too. But, if Allred has any confidence in Masten’s allegations, why is she not representing her in the case against Mr. Cosby?

                      So, before believing everything the MSM says, try reading more not only about the women, but their motives.

                      Here is just 1 more link that casts doubts on their allegations.
                      http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/12/histories-of-several-cosby-accusers-cast-doubt-on-tales/

                      I could provide more links for you, but I would hope that people could do some research on their own, without someone always providing a link for them.

                    • Rose Reburn

                      It was well known in certain circles that cosby was not who he seemed, much like Bob Barker, I dont hate men, just narcissistic rapists. Many other women were warned about him 30 yearsago, I wonder was this asanine man raped as a child by a daddy or othercrelative or friend, if so, he might know how the victim self shames and feels bad for the attacker, not wanting to harm anyne or come forth, all you have to do is look at Cosby’s face in this interview when he turns into a narcissistic ass he as if he can tell everyone what to do, i feel for the Cast of cosby show

                    • F Washington

                      Give it a rest already. Hear say is not fact….You do not know Cosby or any of these alleged raped women who were “warned”….

                    • Ross Vachon

                      Zipper has had to keep it zipped up for 50 years because women have been revulsed by him all his.life. Cosby innocent. Haha. Ted Bundy was more innocent. Mengele was a little lamb, too.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      most whores use IUDs or take pills to keep from getting pregnant.. These are just prostitutes.. they will tell you too… look at interviews.

                    • Ghastly

                      How do you know the drinks contained alcohol?

                    • zipper

                      Tarshis claimed they were alcoholic beverages. As an admitted alcoholic, I would assume she was correct on this point.

                    • Ghastly

                      Thank you for your reply.

                    • Dave Koch

                      Are you actually trying to stick up for this monster? Do you think all these women are lying about being raped for fun? Most aren’t getting any money out of it.

                    • F Washington

                      Do you think these interviews they are doing are free??

                    • zipper

                      don’t you find it curious that they waited to accuse him many years later? don’t you find it a bit suspicious that one after another suddenly come out with their story? Read their accounts of their respective experiences and analyze their statements carefully. Most are rife with vague remembrances, contradictions, glaring omissions, and outright improbabilities. A good lawyer would absolutely Shred them on the stand!

                      Yes, I am “sticking up” for him in the sense that he has the right Not to be convicted by people who grab a scrap of “evidence” from some tabloid source. If the man is truly guilty, then there is something drastically wrong with him, and he should be punished for his crimes.
                      That’s IF.

                    • Spirit Wind

                      You are right about the danger, but wrong about the dosage. These predators don’t simply give someone a single spiked drink and “out they go”- they are lured into a seemingly friendly social situation and consume several alcoholic beverages before whatever drug is given surreptitiously . Ten or fifteen milligrams of Valium given in combination with 3 or 4 drinks will surely put most 110 pound women into a state of helplessness. And likely, the ones that had a high tolerance, or sharp taste buds and were conscious enough to deliver a sharp kick to a sensitive area were not molested and have no story to tell…….I do research for a living, BTW……

                    • zipper

                      Well, I managed to locate a compendium of 12 women’s stories. Most of their tales were rife with contradictions, improbable descriptions, and admissions of consent. However, one lady’s story had some credibility. Ironically, she didn’t claim to be raped. Even One credible incident is One too many. Cosby needs to come clean.

                    • Spirit Wind

                      You are right about the danger, but wrong about the dosage. These predators don’t simply give someone a single spiked drink and “out they go”- they are lured into a seemingly friendly social situation and consume several alcoholic beverages before whatever drug is given surreptitiously . Ten or fifteen milligrams of Valium given in combination with 3 or 4 drinks will surely put most 110 pound women into a state of helplessness. And likely, the ones that had a high tolerance, or sharp taste buds and were conscious enough to deliver a sharp kick to a sensitive area were not molested and have no story to tell…….I do research for a living, BTW…

                  • SPINMASTER

                    Mnnnn..But each one of these flewzees say they willingly took the wine and pills. Sounds like..they were party hoes!!

                    • Awi1967

                      Not fair! Being drunk DOES NOT SAY “PLEASE RAPE ME!

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Nor does..Ohhhh, I’ll take one of those pills..either?!!!!!!!!!
                      Any flew-zee who comes to a mans hotel room at night with her pajamas on knows…She’s getting the..drillin of her life!!

                    • Misanthropic714

                      You are what is wrong with this country.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Well, I’ve never been convicted of a crime..nor have I ever had a traffic ticket. I have had lots of women..all over the world though. And…if you come to my hotel room in your PJ’s for drinks. You too..will get the best fucking you have ever..ever had in YOUR..life!!!!! I..guarantee that.

                    • Dave Koch

                      ^ sounds like something a dude with a small Dick who is terrible in bed would say.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      And you my dear sir, sound like YOU..are Gay!!!!

                    • zipper

                      ….or a woman using a masculine moniker.

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      haha ! A dickity-dyke!

                    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

                      sure it does! why else would you drink till you can not think?

                  • SPINMASTER

                    Then why would you accept..willingly take a pill you knew nothing about?
                    Answer: Because you like getting F’d up!!!! And these Flewzees got F’d up and down. No sympathy..for the devils!!

                    • Dave Koch

                      She didn’t willingly take any pills, read the article again you knuckle dragging moron.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Yes she did..anus hole!!! If/when you accept anything from anyone to put in your mouth, you do so on your own accord. And when you allow yourself to come up to a mans hotel room, you’s a sleeze. Oh..excuse me, I’ gotta go file charges against my dad, you see, he whipped me 22 yrs ago!! fuck these hoes. Sayin they were raped 20 to 30 yrs after Jesus was born.

                    • Andrea Day

                      So every time someone offers you a drink, you think it’s fair if they decide to drug it and violate your body? You’re probably a fucking rapist yourself. You sound like an evil, worthless scumbag.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      Didn’t mama teach you anything? Come to my hotel room and I will teach you more!!! YOU..decides who violates your body. YOU decide to drink and take pills. AND YOU decide to wait 10 to 30 yrs to cry rape, not..ME. NNEver had to rape a woman. Grew up with 6 sisters who I watched make all the moves on men. I learned about women from them. So..the next time you meet a man, don’t be so willing to go to his room, take a drink and some drugs. Or you too, might end up in the..praying mantis position babycakes!!!!!!!!!!!

                    • zipper

                      6 sisters! wow, can’t imagine what you went through. only advantage might be all their friends they would introduce you to. lol

                    • SPINMASTER

                      That and the fact I ate good all the time. But what I really learned from them was..How they used what they had..to get what they wanted from men!! learned all the games women play with and on..Men.

                    • zipper

                      You’re lucky. Most of us learn the lessons the hard way.

                    • zipper

                      Andrea, the point he is making is that many of the claimed victims willingly set themselves up. They should have known better than to go to a guy’s hotel room unescorted, and to then imbibe intoxicants. One of the “victims” fessed-up when she admitted: “I just thought this was what you have to do to get ahead.”
                      Nevertheless, you are right that there is no excuse for rape. The big question is, was it actually rape?
                      You’re being judgmental in your comment to Spinmaster. Makes me wonder how fair your assessment of the facts(or lack thereof) is in the Cosby case.

                    • Dave Koch

                      Why isn’t Cosby a ‘sleeze’ for inviting her to his hotel room? Why is she a sleaze? If Cosby went to her hotel would he then be a sleaze? Also, on what planet are you allowed to be drugged just because you ate or drank something that someone gave you? So, if I get a mint at the front desk of a hotel and it’s cyanide it’s my fault that I’m dead? I think you are living in a fantasy world.

                    • SPINMASTER

                      A mint is most certainly different than a pill you shithead!! I’ve invited several women to my hotel before. They obliged and I..obliged them by tearing up that pussy.

                • C.R. Mudgeon

                  Yeah. The modern chemical age only started when you were born.

                  Chloral hydrate was first produced in 1832. Otherwise known as a “Mikey Finn” or knockout drug. Idjit.

                • jenny787

                  you are dense – there were a million ways to drug someone back then!

                  • Moshulu

                    Any experience on your part jenny?

                • Karen Varbalow

                  okay, so then maybe it was Temazepam, which has similar characteristics and was introduced in 1969.

                • http://douyswofford.blogpost.com Douy Swofford

                  Oh yes it was.

                • Dave Koch

                  Who the fuck do you think you are? Why would women lie about this? There are 13 women who have come forward now… you are a disgusting human being.

              • jenny787

                exactly – and this drug is being used in clubs all the time – cover your drinks ladies and gents!

                • SPINMASTER

                  So YOU..can come by and drink them!!!!!!!!!!

              • zipper

                hahaha “Perhaps you don’t understand the kind of drug that is used here.”

                That Certainly describes You. What you call Rohypnol(Flunitrazepam) wasn’t marketed in the US until the mid-’80’s. Also, it was selected as a so-called “date rape” drug because it specifically has a strong amnesiac effect. So the victim is not going to be
                “..able to think and remember normally,” as you contend.

                Really, Karen, your entire comment is incorrect.

              • RandallPoopenmeyer

                Perhaps you don’t understand what consent is. Consent is going back to the person who allegedly raped you.

            • jenny787

              speak for yourself! Many people drink and recall details – rape is not something all people compartmentalize!

              • zipper

                Try taking Reading Comprehension classes. I said, “..too much to drink..” in reference to not remembering. Geez, you really are a troll!

            • koam

              And she went back for more on a different coast. Hmmm.

              • Chris Allen

                And I supposed you’ve never gone into a dicey situation because not doing so would mean explaining *why* to parents, or to a wife. You’ve never had that friend who always seemed to get away with doing all kinds of wrong or dangerous things, because they knew how to play other people around them, especially adults, and come across as “a nice, clean-cut person.”

                And if against the odds you didn’t and haven’t, just remember Ted Bundy: all kinds of people thought he was a wonderful young man, clean-cut, great marriage prospect, etc. etc.

                Cosby had a HUGE, towering reputation as a good guy. I can see how a 19-year old would be afraid to tell her parents “this ‘good guy’ raped me,” especially way back then when few talked about rape and the woman was *always* blamed.

                • zipper

                  With your unrelated response(not) to koam, as well as myself, you have now established a pattern of unrelated “replies.” If you wish to express your views, Chris, do so as an individual comment, Not as a supposed rebuttal to another poster’s comment. I Do hope you understand the difference.

                • Nightrider

                  the least one in that situation would ha ve done would be get away from that situation instead of continuing to stay around for more of the same

              • Nightrider

                that’s why i don’t understand either, and the thing about being ‘terrified’ with her agent and Cosby, also that he was paying her way & expenses….he might have done things, but she decided to continually stick around for the benefits

              • SPINMASTER

                And they admit..they kept coming back for more wine and pills. Sounds like these Flewzees were..party hoes!!!!!!!!!

                • Jeremy

                  The media of course ignores this. They can’t let facts get in the way of a story.

                • Misanthropic714

                  So, it’s okay for someone to rape someone just because they are high? That makes rape WORSE, because there was no consent.

                  • zipper

                    You are ignoring the circumstances in these cases. The women that I read about went to see Cosby willingly and usually late at night- alone. No woman i’ve ever known would do that.
                    Add to that the acceptance of intoxicants and the fact that they are knowingly having a one-on-one rendezvous with a big celebrity. Not a single account I read claimed they resisted. Quite the contrary, they went back for more on a different date! The latest “victim” claims she was raped, but then admits she hung around for several days with him, yet couldn’t remember if they had sex again. Give me a break!
                    Your contention that “there was no consent” is pure speculation. You weren’t there, and just because the woman might have been stoned doesn’t mean she’s “out of it.”
                    No guy I’ve known, including myself, would want to attempt sex with a woman who was so drugged that she just lay there like a breathing corpse.
                    There is no proof that sex even occurred, much less rape. Quit jumping to conclusions. DNA testing has been around since 1985, well within the time-frame of many of these claims. A visit to the doctor, or hospital, for such a test as well as tox screens for drugs would have been damning evidence. Why didn’t a single woman pursue this at the time? And don’t hand me that lame excuse that they were “embarrassed.” Women I’ve known that had a guy get too familiar(not even rape) against their wishes were not hesitant at all to tell their brothers, fathers, or boyfriends about it. These guys then paid the offender a visit to remind him in a very definite way to stay away from the woman.
                    Just as an example, I knew a woman who told her brothers that her boyfriend had “physically abused” her. The brothers confronted the guy and, fortunately, violence was avoided. It later turned out that the woman admitted lying to her brothers to “punish” her boyfriend because he wouldn’t agree to marry her. Women can be treacherous.

                    • Dave Koch

                      Ok, so because you or the people you know don’t like raping women while they are unconscious means that nobody does! Case closed, rapists don’t exist. You know what, I don’t like murdering people, I don’t know anybody who does… probably never happens I guess. Also, I don’t have a foot fetish and nobody i know does, guess that isn’t a thing now either… I also think racism is wrong and so do all my friends, awesome that’s not a thing now either! This is fun, I love the world we live in now, thanks.

                  • SPINMASTER

                    Of course its not ok..Silly!!!!!!!!!

            • Chris Allen

              So every rape where drugs and/or alcohol are present has to match how you *think* it would go, or it’s not rape? That’s like someone saying “men don’t have vags so they can’t be raped; therefore, that kid couldn’t have been raped by his older teammates.” Your narrow and ill-informed (and ignorant) definitions of rape have no relation to the mountains of real information gathered for decades by a plethora of researchers. Get a freaking clue.

              • zipper

                Your off-base comment is in reply to what?? Where in Any of my comments did I give a definition of rape, or even Attempt to restrict the application of the term? It seems that you just want to go on a rant to be contrary. Have fun.

            • letty

              Blade
              Unless you have been a victim of this you will not understand.
              It happened to me. The reason women wait to talk is because of the incredible amount of shame. They remember it in detail because they think about it everyday. They cant get it out of their minds. They don’t come forward because of reactions like yours.
              As for helplessness. The drugs are potent enough to zap the person’s spirit and will. For the most part the victim understands that something wrong has happened, but is in too much shock. It does not wear off right away. It happened to me 34 years ago. I can tell you every detail to this day.

              • zipper

                Uh-oh. Add another “victim” to evil Dr. Cosby’s suddenly growing list.

                • Misanthropic714

                  Come on, she didn’t say HE did it. Rape is not fun. It is not a joke. Because of that, people shouldn’t lie about it, because it can ruin a person just as surely as it can the rape victim. If people were too ashamed and didn’t go to the authorities, fine.
                  Going back more than once, that’s where these two cross over into ‘affair” and implied consent.
                  As for the person who didn’t want to let her “mom” down? Tell “mom” you have food poisoning and don’t get drunk and have sex with a married man.

                  • zipper

                    Rape is certainly a very serious charge. But some women either don’t care, or aren’t aware of the repercussions of such a claim. There are guys who have spent years of their lives in prison on false rape convictions. On the other hand, those who are definitely guilty aren’t punished enough under the present laws; they should have their sex organs surgically remove, imo.

                • Dave Koch

                  It’s the Cosby conspiracy… totally makes sense that all these women would come forward and come out as victims of rape. Women love pretending to be rape victims. It totally doesn’t make men look at them differently and doesn’t make them feel ashamed at all. I know exactly how it would feel to be a woman, so it’s very relevant when men on this forum can’t understand why women wouldn’t have come forward earlier or why they went back into harms way. As men, our opinions on how female rape victims should behave is very important and offers a lot of insight into this case. I know when I’m around women and they want to have sex with me but I don’t want to I feel totally powerless… it’s really neat how men and women have the exact same experience with sex and feel the exact same power dynamics no matter whose perspective you’re looking at it from.

              • SPINMASTER

                You got F’d to huh? Bet you learned your lesson huh?

              • F Washington

                Exactly…. Rape victims can remember their rapes as if it were yesterday… Did anybody watch Janice Dickinsons interview? She had to think about the encounter (or her lines)… Some of these women’s “confessions” are making Bill look alot better….

            • aquarian

              it didn’t take 35 yrs to recall she never forgot it, it took 35 yrs to come forward.

          • Talis

            Alleged.

            • jenny787

              where there’s smoke, there’s always fire – see John Ravolta – really!

              • Talis

                Nonsense.

          • Chad Chen

            In the old days, every social occasion involved drinking, because MADD hadn’t yet terrorized the country. ALL my dates involved alcohol, and the women were always a little drunk. Most women wanted to drink to give themselves a reason to be bad, and to escape the moral responsibility for their badness. Many women would sleep with you and then pretend they were too drunk to remember what happened. Don’t be too gullible. These are big city girls who were using Bill Cosby to make it in show business.

            • https://www.facebook.com/WisdomoftheRosyCross?ref=hl Michael Giounotti

              Chad Chen, why are you saying “women wanted to drink to give themselves a reason to be bad & to escape the moral responsibility for their badness?” What were the reasons men wanted to drink? Was it really different for women than men? You say because these women wanted to use Cosby to make it in show business. Perhaps that does happen in some cases, but not in all cases. Men do the same thing, they drink and accomdate famous people looking for a break. It’s not just a woman thing. And no matter anyway, drinking and having a little fun, does not mean you want to be rapped! You sound like a male chauvinist, it’s ok for men to be sluts, but not ok for women. Imho, it’s bad for both. As far as Cosby goes, I will wait for the outcome of these accusations. I pray the truth comes out. Let the law deal with it, then make your judgements. Not now, we need to research the cases, not jump on the hate women bandwagon. The investigators will find the truth, and if he did rape any of them, may justice be served!

              • Bradley Pooper

                “…it’s ok for men to be sluts, but not ok for women.”

                Exactly.

            • Anthony Pirtle

              These teens were using the poor celeb. Sure.

            • jenny787

              you are one of those people that should be locked up.

              • SPINMASTER

                And you Jenny Craig..should be at a bar lookin for a Cosby lookalike so you can get banged…HARD!!!!!!!

            • SPINMASTER

              And now, these party hoe flewzees are old and broke. So they said, we gonna make money by goin on talk shows and cryin. They probably high as hell right now.

          • LilBren

            I have loved this man for so many years, I feel so badly about the things money and power can do to a person

          • disqus_15iytZpnDX

            stay away and keep legs closed would be my idea.

          • Stephen Tanenbaum

            Here is a choice. After alleged rape #1 you tell your mother any of a 1000 easy excuses i.e. I’m sick… and do not spend another night alone with the rapist who you say then raped you again. So alleged rape #2 would NOT have happened.

          • RandallPoopenmeyer

            She went back to him, again and again!!!!! You sick fuck!!

        • Mr Moonlight

          Yes let’s wait while the pig continues to do this.

          He should be in jail – period. Yes he deserves a trial – GET THERE!

          • jenny787

            I believe these women. I do not believe this pig Cosby.

            • Jeremy

              One of the accusers got out of prison for FRAUD.

          • rastaman44

            STFU, you ahole.

        • Blade Walker

          Yes, they are two very different issues, but we’re both victims and can understand the pain of speaking out.

        • ceallaigh

          What an appalling comment. HE DRUGGED THEM and took advantage of their trust in him as a mentor figure. I hope you never experience anything like this, and I hope nobody close to you ever confides in you after something like this happens to them. Sickening.

          • Jeremy

            Oh right, you were there so you know >>.>>

          • SPINMASTER

            They willingly took glasses of wine and pills. And they willingly..opened up their legs and spread them wide. We call those Flewzees..party hoes!!!

      • zipper

        Far different situation, Blade.

        • Blade Walker

          An authority figure abuses your trust and you feel shame and disgust with no one wanting to believe it happened? Similar in my book.

          • zipper

            No, the situation here is Vastly different in many ways. You are taking ONE aspect of commonality and spinning it to cover a totally different set of circumstances. If you still don’t see it, let me know and I’ll be glad to discuss this further.

            • Blade Walker

              I’d hate to take you away your busy schedule of being both a rape and sexual abuse counselor.

      • Chad Chen

        Stop mapping your own experiences on to someone else. Just because my mother loved me doesn’t mean every mother loves her children. And just because you were sexually abused doesn’t mean Bill Cosby abused this woman. Grow up.

        • jenny787

          this woman? What about the other 12? You seem really dense, as dense as Mr. Cosby believing he had all that power. Now whose got the power sicko.

          • SPINMASTER

            He did have power. After all, they willingly drank glasses of wine, pills and opened up their legs…I mean world to him!!!

        • Blade Walker

          Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, Chad. I’m sympathizing with a fellow victim, not “mapping” my experience on to hers. I hope you never suffer this type of incident and fully realize the strength it takes to speak out.

    • Debbie Chandler

      35 years later, Really?

    • Talis

      Alleged to have gone through.
      At this time it is just her word.

    • jenny787

      agreed. Cosby supporters have not had a sister, friend or colleague that has had their life destroyed by rape or abuse.

      • SPINMASTER

        Especially ones that come forth 40 yrs after the fact!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ghastly

      I have been a Cosby fan for many years. I had the album “Why is there Air” when I was young. Sadly, Mr. Cosby may not be guilty of harming anyone but he sure as hell acts guilty.

    • Douglas Lee Davis

      It was so horrible she volunteered to go through it again!

    • Cindy

      Thank you Joan for the DETAILS, Cosby was not at the Westbury in the Fall his only performance was on Memorial Weekend with David Frye and Hedge&Donna in 69 and Joan was indeed 21 Not 19 then, not needing a parents permission as one of the concerns she claimed to express to go to the festival in one of her interviews..

    • RandallPoopenmeyer

      That stupid piece of trash repeatedly went back to him!!!

  • Bite The Dust

    Just wondering: What is the difference between Cosby and Polanski? The color of their skin? Or am I missing something…?

    • JoeS

      Really? You have to bring race into THIS?

      Crikey. Can’t we just discuss the actual topic at hand?

      • Bite The Dust

        Well, I’m mainly wondering why Wells goes out of his way to defend Polanski, yet is apparently convinced that Cosby is guilty for actions (drugging and raping women) that sound awfully similar…

        • JoeS

          Then WHY mention color at ALL?

          Jeff doesn’t strike me as a huge civil rights propagandist.

          • Bite The Dust

            Well, he doesn’t strike me as a person with a clear moral compass…

            • JoeS

              Discus THAT then

            • Glenn Kenny

              You know, I give Jeff a lot of shit all the time, but your snivelling anonymous little observations about his moral compass are really mean and insulting and just, well, shitty.

              • Thom Phoolery

                Jeff’s the Lewis Black of moral compasses.

            • anne

              While I believe where there’s smoke there’s fire, all of these women knowing what Cosby did to them the 1st time went back for more??? This I can’t wrap my head around. They wanted to further their careers by taking another chance with a rapist? Go figure

              • http://jessecrall.wordpress.com/ Jesse Crall

                Jesus…First off, Joan was what, 19 when the first event occurred? And “smoke and fire” is much more evident in the Internet age when all the world’s sordid messes get disseminated by the masses. Until then? Who the fuck knows about any stranger? I hadn’t heard THING ONE about past allegations against Cosby until about two weeks ago and it’s absolutely ridiculous to expect or demand that women keep a black book on notable rapists lest they fall victim to their preying.

                And Cosby was a rising star (and then a very very big star) with a stellar reputation through the mainstream media. So I’m sure Joan and other women felt incredibly uneasy about accusing him of rape for fear of being branded a lying opportunist.

                Think about how many rapes committed by broke, dumbass college students go unreported. Ask yourself why. Then understand why it’s even more unlikely that Bill Cosby would remain unprosecuted for so long.

      • kevin stewart

        When you have a black icon and all of his alleged “victims” are white, race is going to be on a lot of people’s minds. This is America after all.

        • JoeS

          And, if people like you keep bringing it up even if it has nothing to do with the actual charges, this will continue…”after all”………

          P.S. And are you certain that all 13 alleged victims are white? (not that is should matter)

          • kevin stewart

            “I had heard and/or strongly suspected I was not the only white girl he had drugged and raped …”

            No I’m not certain but I’d be willing to bet Joan Tarshis thinks so.

    • NephewOfAnarchy

      Polanski never made…

      Ah, beaten to the Leonard Part 6 reference already. Wait can I throw in a Ghost Dad shoutout?

    • http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/ Jeffrey Wells

      Evidence suggests Cosby’s problem is of a serial nature. Polanski’s problem (or at least the one you’re referring to) is about a single incident.

      • Bite The Dust

        Right, because Polanski only fucked that one barely or not at all legal woman…

        • susannunes

          Polanski did, and he served his time in lieu of a trial. The girl and her mother didn’t want to go through the ordeal. The real issue with Polanski was a judge who decided he was going to change his mind about the sentence–you can’t do that as a judge. The judge was completely tainted and should have been booted off the bench. The judge deciding to change his mind about the sentence after expressing faux outrage over a photograph of Polanski and other women is the reason Polanski left the country. This isn’t opinion–this is fact supported all of the surviving principals in this case, including and especially the victim.

      • Lou

        Do you seriously believe his “problem” with statutory rape was a 1-time thing? He already had a known predilection for underaged girls, and he seemed pretty experienced at what he was doing with Samantha Geimer. That seems a pretty weak defense in differentiating him from Cosby.

        Seems like Cosby is the perfect response to the various arguments you’ve used in the past to defend Polanski: (a) he’s an incredibly talented artist; (b) he overcame great personal obstacles in his life to succeed (Polanski overcame WWII, Cosby overcame racism to succeed despite color lines stacking the deck against him); (c) these “incidents” were a long time ago, so why don’t we stop persecuting the poor guy; and (d) what did these women expect given that they were hanging around a star trying to profit from him in the first place.

        Just because Cosby’s case seems “uglier” doesn’t make it any less right.

        • Bite The Dust

          Exactly…

        • http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/ Jeffrey Wells

          Cosby’s numerous victims are angry and want him hurt or humbled. Polanski’s one victim, Samantha Geimer ahs been saying “let it go” for years. She also thinks that guys like you and your allies in the media are much, MUCH worse than what he did with her that one time.

          • Reverent and free

            What choice does Geimer have but to move on with her life the best she can? She has always that said if she had her druthers Polanski would face the music and get it over with.

          • Bite The Dust

            If you know anything about Polanskis lifestyle (and I’m sure you do) it’s quite absurd to call Geimer his only victim…people who feel entitled like Polanski and Cosby apparently do, don’t use their power (and apparently drugs) to fuck a woman just in one case, they do it on a routine basis…just because no other woman has accused Polanski of rape doesn’t mean his sex life wasn’t highly problematic for many years….
            There are so many example for this kind of behaviour: Clinton or Kennedy couldn’t keep their dicks in their pants, DSK hit on pretty much every woman he met and on and on…these cases are hardly ever isolated instances…

            • Magga

              Infidelity is not “this kind of behavior”. (Re: presidents)

              • Glenn Kenny

                I’m not sure what it says that it took like ten seconds for this thread to get “How come you’re not mad about Polanski?” but it can’t be anything good, that’s for sure.

                • Magga

                  Agree, I just got weirded out by Clinton and Kennedy being drawn into this suddenly

            • Reverent and free

              Right, anyone who is capable of drugging and raping a kid, can hardly be assumed to have had his shit together prior to then. It doesn’t make any sense at all for someone to be a pedophile “just once”

            • Glenn Kenny

              “If you know anything about Polanski’s lifestyle…” is a bit of a stretch. What ARE the known knowns, as Donald Rumsfeld might ask? If the Los Angeles Attorney were to just drop the case (not likely, but let’s just imagine), what exactly would be left for one to get riled up about? The Cosby affair is demonstrably different because literally dozens of women have recounted various abuses. And NONE of those have resulted in criminal charges against Cosby. So in a lot of ways there’s really not a lot of similarity, except among people who want there to be similarity. I understand that I’ve run the risk of being called a Polanski “defender” or “apologist,” not that it’s a matter of grave concern to me, but my main point has as ever been that all the huffing and puffing is nothing more than that. Your “moral” disapproval of Polanski accomplishes nothing. He’s as tarnished in certain corners of public opinion as he is ever going to get—it’s not as if he was ever a figure to inspire fuzzy sentimentality. And that’s another difference with Cosby. It’s all just ugly, ugly stuff. And if it’s been going on for years, we, or “we,” if we want to live with ourselves, really have to question our participation in a culture and a system that allowed it to go on so long.

              • http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/ Jeffrey Wells

                Good response, Glenn.

                • Bite The Dust

                  Er…do you realize that by typing: “Polanski is an 80-something Art God, a relentlessly hard worker, a
                  family man in the closing chapters of his life and nothing less than a
                  heroic figure in terms of his traumas overcome and his achievements
                  realized.” you are one of the people who allow this system to go on? Why am I asking? Of course you don’t…

              • Bite The Dust

                Well, just read Polanskis autobiography or listen to one of the many interviews in which he talks about liking very young girls and you know about his lifestyle….
                Now if you think its perfectly unproblematic for a man in his 40s or 50s to screw 15, 16 or 17 year old girls thats you, but with or without the help of Quaaludes or rape it seems that most people would agree that that kind of sex life is slightly problematic…

                • Glenn Kenny

                  Well, ace conservative John Derbyshire has said publicly that women stop being attractive after they turn 15. That doesn’t mean he regularly goes around sleeping with 15-year-olds, regardless of what I may or may not choose to infer. And by the way, I see what kind of brush you are trying to tar me with here, and I don’t appreciate the implication. So please stop it.

              • JoeS

                Perfectly put, Glenn

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                We need to stay on point here. This is about BILL COSBY and what he has done to women through out the years! NOT Roman Polanski! Stay on point.

                • SPINMASTER

                  HE is on point. These women are/were Whores!! I can smell their cheap perfumes from here

              • WiserWords2

                Well said. I just want to add Cosby settled with at least one of his accusers.

            • http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/ Jeffrey Wells

              Polanski is an 80-something Art God, a relentlessly hard worker, a family man in the closing chapters of his life and nothing less than a heroic figure in terms of his traumas overcome and his achievements realized.

              • Lou

                And Bill Cosby is a 70-something Comedy God, a relentlessly hard worker, a family man in the closing chapters of his life, and nothing less than a heroic figure in terms of what he overcame and his achievements realized.

                But so what? Is this really your answer to the question, “Give a reason why a rapist who drugged his victim(s) should be excused of the crime”?

              • Bill Wyman

                I see your point. Maybe we could do something where the Presidential Medal of Freedom comes with a one-time opportunity to drug and anally rape a 13-year-old girl. That way it’ll be all legal and stuff, and we won’t have to call these audibles.

            • zipper

              “There are so many example(sic) for this kind of behaviour: Clinton or Kennedy…”

              Really? You’re comparing allegations of rape(Cosby) to the willing participation of star-struck women regarding Clinton or Kennedy? Ridiculous comparison!

        • J Tarshis

          I already was profiting from writing comedy. Cosby was another source of income, flattering as it was, after my work with Cambridge.

          • Zaawanukwe

            Why do people always feel that someone is trying to profit from a rich person? Clearly he looked for young potentially successful women.

            So sorry for you experience. People can be very one minded.

            • nalleyne721

              Like your self…this bitch is obviously fishing for something…and Moby Dick was just a fiction tale.. she is a journalist?? then she felt that she had a moral and ethic public standard to report such act to protect other potential victims…this is just a bad pudding mix…spoil milk can turn into sour milk…

              • Zaawanukwe

                And you know everything!? Hmmm ok… You got it…This bitch is really fishing for something. NOT. I have nothing to fish for. I am stating my opinion and that is all. So glad you know everything and see everything. So glad you have it all together and can sit in judgement of people. Good for you! I am so glad that you can understand how it is to be a victim. Awesome!. If there were only 1 or 2 people then coming forward then, Ya, maybe he didn’t do this but 13 and counting. Sounds a bit suspicious to me. Well we will see the truth come out. Still I am so sorry for her experience. And you who knows everything… Sorry for yours too.

              • WiserWords2

                Maybe she’s “fishing” for justice.

          • 1Faith1Hope

            I believe you Joan. I was almost a rape victim, but I managed to get away. Immediately after I could have announced it to a room full of people, including the attacker’s wife, and yet I said nothing. I was young, scared, and humiliated and just wanted to go home. I, too, said nothing. I understand a small part of what you felt because I felt it too; even though my attacker wasn’t successful in his attempt nor was he a powerful man who was rich and famous. Of course the woman I am today would have handled it differently and, could I go back in time, I certainly would. But men like this don’t prey on mature women who would have the courage to report it. Their victims of choice are those who don’t know what to do or where to turn to be believed. I admire your courage and your strength to make your life a success in spite of what you went through. God Bless you Joan.

            • nalleyne721

              you must be white if I can guess…stop this bullshit now. a rape woman right must be hating everyone of you for talking crap about a rape incident. Both of you need therapy… I once almost got rape, after I realized the man was married and I didn’t have a chance to keep him.. I lead him on and then, refuse to give in….he was married. both of you need to go to a court room a review real rape cases.. they are not stories to be told later…and 20 years after the facts..

              • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

                Naylene, YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL, and everyone on here knows and understand this now! We do not want to read anymore of your rambling crap!

            • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

              1Fath, Thanks for sharing that from your life. What men do not understand is young women are scared and intimidated. What they would do years later is different from when they are younger women. Women shut up, hold it all in, and just move on. Men will never know what this feels like!

          • Lou

            Joan – I hope it’s clear I was being facetious, trying to illustrate the absurdity of how Jeff and others have, in the past, defended Polanski with the blame-the-victim defense (or the victim’s mother, in Ms. Geimer’s case). I meant no offense to you, and I hope your coming forward, as painful as it must be, helps opens some people’s eyes to how appalling these men are.

            • zipper

              So, in your view, Cosby is convicted without due process, eh?
              People like you are a real problem.

            • J Tarshis

              Guess I was a bit sensitive !! Sorry…. I usually pick that up! Being a fan of facetiousness!

          • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

            I commend you for coming forth now. It takes guts to go against what people think is an idol! I never really like this guy. I always saw an arrogance about him. Keep up the good fight with the other women against this evil shit!

            • SPINMASTER

              You liked him. But were afraid to..experience something…Different in your life.

        • littlewitch

          Polanski was prosecuted and Cosby gets away with everything?

        • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

          Lou, Rape is rape. Just because it is in the past, does not mean it did not happen. Just because these two men became successful against a lot of odds, doesn’t mean you do not go after them for crimes that are now coming from their past! In life, some things stay hidden for a long time, till it outs itself. Women were afraid and intimidated by his money and power in Hollywood for years. Rape is an extremely difficult thing for a woman to resolve in her mind, never mind bringing it into the public arena.

          • Lou

            Suzan: I think you missed the irony in my comments…

            (Or perhaps you’re not aware of Jeff’s views on this topic from the past, so the context is missing.)

      • D.Z.

        Serial nature? Biskind said Polanski was also photographing underage girls.

      • Storymark

        Oh, well, it’s okay if its just one kid, then.

      • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

        I agree. Cosby is a serial rapist. That is the bottom line here. He got away with it because of who he was, and they were younger, and I am sure they believed that know one would believe them over him. There words against the great Bill Cosby, he counted on that wall of silence and fear, intimidation. Which worked for many years!

    • J. Brozic

      One is tall, the other short. Other than that, they share a few things in common. They both appear to have been sexual predators who enjoyed victimizing very young women, and for which they should both be serving time in prison.

      Polanski never pretended to be a model dad/husband/family man, nor did he go around righteously lecturing people on how to be good parents and upstanding citizens, though. So I would also say that one is a bigger hypocrite than the other.

      • Richard Simmons

        A lot of people say that Polanski was traumatized from the Sharon Tate and his unborn baby’s murder. They say that he was out of his mind for a bit and that’s why he raped

        • Carey Grant

          Not an excuse.

          • Richard Simmons

            It’s not an excuse but sometimes people that experience traumatizing events makes it understandable.

            • Carey Grant

              Chris Brown was a victim of abuse, where are the people who are understanding of his predicament? What about for child molesters who were also molested as kids? Where are the people who understand them?

              That’s right, nowhere. ‘Understanding’ is only a privilege for a select few in the US.

          • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

            Your right, not an excuse!

            • SPINMASTER

              Right..No excuse. But being high sure does increase the intensity of sex!!!
              YOU..of all people should know this sweet Suzan.

        • zipper

          Gee, I ruined my favorite shirt with an indelible stain. I’m Really upset!!
          Think I’ll go out and beat somebody up to relieve the stress. According to you, that would be “understandable.”
          Right?

          • Richard Simmons

            Sure, why not. Losing your shirt is equated to a traumatic stress event. People under stress will do anything like road rage shootings, school shootings, rape, physical violence, verbal violence, suicide, etc.

          • Benjy

            Seriously??? You’re equating the horrendous butchering of a pregnant woman & 4 friends to a stained shirt. Get out of here, moron.

            • zipper

              Seriously??? You couldn’t grasp that I was disparaging Simmons rationale for Polanski raping a juvenile girl because he was upset?
              It’s not me who’s the moron!

        • J. Brozic

          Sure, why not. I guess he somewhat hastily decided that that excuse wouldn’t fly in court. I wonder why.

      • Jerry Lewis

        Polanski’s victim was under age – WAY under age. These women were accepting gifts, living in apartments provided by Cosby, etc – not to mention THEY KEPT GOING BACK! I would sympathize, but I think there is MUCH more to this story. Cosby is a hated figure on the left, as we know. When the left hates you, very bad things will eventually happen. I’m just saying we don’t know what really happened here, and we should reserve judgement.

        • zipper

          Yes

        • Benjy

          Everyone I know on the left loves him. Don’t know where you came up with that b.s. Trying to make this political for some weird reason. And, fyi, none of these girls (late teens, early 20s) were living in apts provided by Cosby. Stop lying.

      • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

        I agree with that! Cosby has always acted higher than mighty that he was almost like Moses! Look at him now!

        • Chiked

          Not sure if these allegations are true or not. But I respect the fact that he stood up to lecture black men on their parental responsibilities. In a community where Jay-Z, Snoop dog are considered iconic, he stood up. These rape allegations should not take away from that fact.

    • Sense

      About 13 victims

    • zipper

      You’re missing something. Polanski was arrested & charged with multiple felony counts involving a 13 y.o. girl. He got a deal in exchange for pleading guilty.

      Cosby has never been arrested, or charged. The only blemish on his reputation is due to unsubstantiated accusations and rumors.

      • susannunes

        Polanski got a deal and served his time. Idiot Judge Rittenband wanted to change his mind about the sentence. Can’t do that in America. Sorry. That’s why Polanski left the country.

    • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

      No there is no difference. But I pointed out that he had a thing for white women! Because so far they are all white that he has raped and attacked.

    • Sumi Allen

      The “victims”

    • SPINMASTER

      Nope. You Hit the Nail…dead on its head!!!!

  • Muscle McGurk

    If you think this is bad, just wait until viewers of Leonard Part 6 find the strength to come forward.

    • JoeS

      Nice. And, if this happened to your mom, wife or daughter you would be making these kinds of asinine jokes?

      • Muscle McGurk

        As a matter of fact, Leonard Part 6 DID happen to my mom, when I had the misfortune of asking her to take me to see it way back when. It was a difficult time, but we’ve moved on.

      • nalleyne721

        I wouldn’t never happened, because if the man is poor I will beat him to a pulp, then press charges, if the man is rich and famous, I will get a cut and then in twenty years I will come back to collect the rest, for keeping my mouth shut…Cosby had money then and now, why wait so long to face her demons…Jokes, I don’t think so, being sarcastic hell yeah. if that would had been a poor, Black, Latina or any other immigrant, would it had made the news. there shut the Fuck off and stick with the facts… there is none..

  • qdpsteve

    I admit it: the allegations against Cosby are especially disturbing to me, as Cosby always seems/seemed someone with an especially strong moral center, as opposed to others such as OJ and Polanski.

  • local_lite

    BTW, the NPR interview was done by Scott Simon, not Neuman. He’s one of the best-known NPR anchors.

  • SJR

    I don’t doubt Cosby is a rapist, too many victims with similar stories. How holier than thou he’s portrayed in the media, in the black community make his actions even more sickening or quite terrifying. A wolf in a sheep’s facade

    I’ve never dealt with an alcoholic that needed intervention or serious treatment so there being one so bad of an alcoholic knows a man spiked her drink and raped her and would accept another drink for that same man, just boggles my mind.

  • Ron Burgundy

    I love Jeff, but Polanski gets defended more because he was a world class film director, and not a ‘rinky dink’ sitcom star. Cosby and Roman are equally despicable.

    Cosby’s in a serious pudding … err … pickle.

    • susannunes

      Polanski isn’t defended. His acts were just awful–read victim Samantha Geimer’s book titled “The Girl.” You can argue until you are blue in the face whether Polanski’s sentence was too light–it is water under the bridge. That, however, was never the point of why Polanski left the country. It was because of a totally unethical, star-struck, egotistical, unfit judge named Laurence Rittenband, now long dead, who wanted to change his mind about the sentence, something you cannot do as a judge. Once that sentence is rendered, you can’t do a “do over.” You have appellate courts to reverse decisions, but a judge can’t decide to hand a sentence down one day which is fulfilled, and then change his mind later.

  • http://www.antsmelody.com Judah Lion

    When failed actresses attack.

  • SPINMASTER

    I don’t douby Coz had sex with a lot of thee ladies back when. BUTT…why all of a sudden 10/20/30 yrs later here they come? Nothins gonna happen to this guy. Yes, his rep will be tarnished. But Coz has already made millions and invested very wisely. Seems like a lot of these gals kept comin back for more?!! A lot of them have probably been paid off..several times. Statue of limitations saves this man. Now just watch..They all gonna pile on top of him (no pun intended) now. When it rains it pours. Stay tuned for the movie, The Tiger Woods and Bill Cosby revenge!!!

  • Bill Wyman

    This is a wrenching story and it must have been hard for Joan Tarshis to wrote. On a more trivial level, kudos to Jeff for publishing it. The way the Cosby and Polanski stories are similar is that readers haven’t been given the context of the case and allowed to make up their own minds. The legal system can work as it does; but journalists shouldn’t downplay these issues. Think how lame all those people are who have helped Cosby sell books or concert tickets, or given him a platform to be a moral scold, without putting his career into context. He may or may not being falsely accused, but it’s pretty clear he made it a habit of squiring your women around and having sex with them, even as he trafficked in his family man image.

    One more thing. The fact that Polanski’s victim forgave him is irrelevant to his legal proceedings. And even if it weren’t, which it is, it should be noted that he made a financial settlement with her.

  • m_00_m

    If I was Hannibal Buress, the next thing I would be doing is calling every celebrity I could who I knew skated on some criminal act, and ask them how much money would it take to keep my mouth shut about it during my upcoming comedy tour. It’s deranged and sick that woman after woman made these accusations to absolutely no effect on people’s perception, while a guy who’s a D-list celebrity makes one comment during a comedy show and now this legendary performer’s reputation is forever ruined.

    But it would be just a sick to not take advantage of it for all it’s worth. I’m sure Buress didn’t ask for this power of having the universe suddenly care to follow up on the accusations made by Hannibal Buress. But if it’s bestowed on him, might as well put it to good use: “Hey Obama – I COULD bring up you snorting cocaine in college next time I’m on the Tonight Show. Or I COULD accept that brand new cabinet position you’re going to create – Secretary of Not Saying a Damn Thing……”

    • Will G

      Obama admitted he used cocaine in college, so your analogy fails. But your larger point about the absurdity of this all resurfacing only because of a comedian’s routine is spot-on.

  • Guest

    1969 or 1989?

  • Radiomantx

    This is nothing but another character assignation of one of out national treasures. A page right out of TMZ. Everyone makes mistakes and I’m sure if ANY of these events actually happened the sex was quite consensual. The problem that comes with that sort of behavior is that they always want more, like money, a continuing relationship or “he’s gonna dump his wife for ME!” and she looks like the type. When they get dumped, that’s when they make up the stories. This could all stem from one affair with a disgruntled lover and all the rest have piled on to get a piece of the pie. I look at this as being a whole lot being made out of not much.

  • D.Z.

    What bugs me is that this was in the news eight years ago, and it only really got attention recently. Probably ‘cus the media circus set its sights on Kobe and R. Kelly at the time. Anyway, all I can say is that shit is depressing, and conflicting, ‘cus the guy *was* a good role model, or at least played one on tv. And you still feel sorry for him, ‘cus of what happened to his son. But if the ‘Cos is really that scummy behind closed doors, then, yeah, they need to start throwing him under the bus. Or at least force his ass to go through an intervention like Mike Tyson. But like Roman P., that dude has a legacy which makes him too much of a favorite with his fans. He has to get weird like Jacko before enough people distance themselves from him.

  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

    Cosby is a serial rapist! It is now coming out big time! He also seems to be using the date rape drug! He is scum! I feel bad for his wife! I always saw an arrogance about him. You almost could see an ugly side of him just around the corner. I hope all the women through out all the years will now come forward and state what he did to each of them! It’s time to take him down for his criminal acts! All these younger women were very intimidated by his wealth and status at the time of these sexual assaults. I believe it all happened, the truth needs to be told now….hopefully he can be brought to trial.

    • 5224

      Remember, rape is not about sex, it’s about power. These stories about Cosby are not new. The women coming out right now with these allegations have no standing in criminal or civil action. The statute of limitations have tolled out. I don’t think this is a shakedown. These women are putting the truth to power. They should be commended.

    • nalleyne721

      bitch…got have a pudding on me. You must be the president of the dumb blonde wasabi club.. Let go for the hunt.. I believe in the tooth fairy too, but I never got any money for sucking a dick. These so called innocent young girls, can afford to move to California on their own to pursuit their ambitions. Innocent is my foot but I can use it as a weapon.. so tell me if back then Sex was not use to achieve or advance anyone career. That’s why they couldn’t come out and talk then. So, she could be a serial opportunist looking for a retirement payoff. Please, stop believing all you read. I bet you had read the Bible and couldn’t believe, that the devil is a female in a red dress….you all talking like this shit had been prove or any strong evidence had been found…it just a claim of a bitter old white women…a fable I might add….

  • Suzan Atkinson-Haverty

    This guy is slime. It sounds to me like he wanted to get back at the white race for something. How would he feel if it had been done to his daughter?

  • nalleyne721

    Bullshit she was just sucking dick to advance her career and why she is talking about this shit now. this is another trashy young girl trying to put dirt on someone to tarnish the black image… this crap happened in the earliest 60 t0 70s , interracial relations back then were taboo. What she want now a medal for her bravery or to put a “N” down… where is the prove or evidence…oh I forgot it must be in the Pudding. Girl go an get a life…there are real rapper and victims out there with a more realistic criminal dilemma. good luck and go get a life. Stop trying to tarnish someone else.. Clean up your act and have another :redeye on me..

  • Tim Armstromg

    Yeah…she was a teenage lush who admits she was an alcoholic even at
    that young age. I don’t know of any girls that age who drink excessively
    who aren’t sexually promiscuous. While there is no excuse ever for rape,
    I believe this is a person who is seeking attention for whatever reason
    and is using some unverifiable story to get it. I think she was into it
    at the time, but felt guilty for liking it.

    Now, all of a sudden, after seeing other women cash in using similar stories, she now “feels the need” to “bring her story out?” Gee wonder how many debts she can clear up with a nice, fat “yes, I did hit on you back then, but I didn’t rape you and you know it now go away you’re not worth the court fight.” check from Cosby.

    Being white, she needs a
    cop out for having been with a black man. The second she brought race
    into it, which she did, she sealed it for me.

    I do believe Cosby had
    extramarital affairs and it is possible that he occasionally aggressively pursued
    women who were not interested. That does not make him a rapist. An
    a-hole perhaps, but not necessarily a rapist.

    What I see is an opportunist who sees the chance to make a buck and some attention….Don’t be surprised if we see her try to become a spokesperson for “rape victims” with the accompanying lucrative book deal and speaking engagements. If you don;t think that type of thing is not planned you are naive.

  • Frank

    This allegation is way beyond reasonable doubt. Why didn’t she go to the police and file charges? Why didn’t she get a different lawyer? Why wait 30 years?? People like her do not impress in the least. I don’t know her motive, but seems she appears to be mentally ill.

  • Anthony Pirtle

    I think it’s ironic that so many people are attacking Cosby’s alleged victims and, usually in the same comment, wondering why it took them so long to come forward (though many came forward decades ago).

  • Bruce

    Not to take away from the horror of Cosby’s actions at all. but what I WANT TO KNOW IS THIS . . . . . What kind of youth did it take to warp Bill Cosby into that kind of a person? All those behaviors didn’t just emerge out of a healthy childhood.

  • Slut

    What people forget is that it was a different time; in the late sixties. then an entertainer as today held a special status. But men in general across the racial spectrum, held a higher station in life more so than now. Women were just truly coming out from their subservient less than men status. It’s a man’s world was more truer then. It was a time when ‘Boys will be boys’ and driving drunk was not uncommon’ in fact accepted. Not to use this as an excuse but, to explain a women’s position of feeling powerless. Throw into the mix a performer’s grand
    ego either established performer or new comer, and it makes for a very
    complicated situation.

  • Inspector_Goyim

    What man could ever bring up allegations of a crime that happened nearly 50 years ago? He would be laughed out of the Lawyer’s office. Women on the other hand can convict any man of any thing, with no evidence and several decades after it supposedly happened. Disgusting.

  • ysmith

    Why would you want to put yourself through this now, so many years later are you really looking for closure or money. There are 3 sides to a story and we are hearing one. Put a closure to this by taking it to the distance in a court of law. I cannot judge you because I wasn’t there and I don’t know. It may be difficult to prove but only 2 people know the real truth.

  • Rick

    She claims this happened in 1969 while he was filming the Cosby Show yet the Cosby Show was in production from 1984 to 1992. I didn’t realize they had filmed it a decade and a half before it was aired.

    • Jeff

      He had another show before The Cosby Show called The Bill Cosby Show, which ran from 1969-1971…

  • لك سيدتي

    Good response, Glenn

    http://vofemme.blogspot.com

  • Jerry Lewis

    I just don’t get that each of these women went BACK…what is wrong with them? Would any woman in their right mind return repeatedly to a man that supposedly drugged and raped them – and never say a bloody word for 30-40 years? This is bizarre.

  • Writenow

    Good that it’s coming out now, and so sad they couldn’t find the courage to do so earlier so other women possibly would not have joined their numbers. Although, it might not have mattered, as the police might have asked for his autograph during the “investigation” as happened to Nicole Simpson.

  • Groot

    Without any forensic evidence it’s he said/she said.

  • zipper

    Awrighty, then. Let’s take a close look at her story. She’s working in the entertainment industry in the late 1960’s as a young woman. She knows about(and likely participates in) the rampant partying and drug use prevalent throughout(admitted as much).

    She claims she “came to” on the couch while he undressed her. Did she offer any sort of resistance, even just saying “NO”? She doesn’t mention that at all. Also, she’s So out of it, but can come up with the “clever” line of having a STD?

    She was “…sickened…and shocked,” but “…told no one.” At least, until 35 years later! Come On! Wait, it gets better. She couldn’t tell her mother??? That’s what an abused woman would do immediately(not to mention seeing a doctor and contacting the police). But now, 35 years later, she is moved to support the women “…all telling similar stories, the time is right to join them.”
    Funny how the “victims” seem to instantly materialize whenever a wealthy celebrity(Cosby has a net worth of $350 million) is accused of impropriety.
    Sounds like the makings of a $600 billion class-action lawsuit to me.

    The kicker is that she accepts an invitation to see him again!! She offers the implausible excuse that “I saw no way out.” Really? How about saying “No Thanks,” or even making up a believable excuse?
    Oh, and with the previous experience fresh in her mind, she willingly accepts multiple drinks, never a clue to what might happen? BS!

    Cosby was an enormously popular figure back then, and likely could have taken his pick of any number of WILLING female admirers. Do you seriously think he would jeopardize his entire career(and marriage) to drug & rape a woman? This is especially important since much of his success was built around a wholesome/clean image. Bill is an intelligent guy(Ed.D degree) who would likely carefully consider a situation. What this woman(and others) describe are the actions of a hard-up guy with no brains or thoughts of consequences.

    All this said, is it possible that her story is true? You decide.

    • AnnaZed

      Go and read Anita Hill’s account of dealing with serial repulsive misogyny from Judge Thomas. It’s complicated but women often feel that they just can’t do anything about it.

  • dickdata

    Before you read these comments, you should note that I believe that “nalleyne721” is a troll, and everything she says (ungrammatically) is likely a pack of lies, at best.

  • Mo

    Its about time law enforcement should investigate Bill Cosby and serve justice to these victims.

  • Unreal Uknow

    And yet once again a famous person getting away with rape or abuse. When will this end? These people aren’t to be worshipped.They are clearly subject to the failings of everyday people. He needs to be prosecuted. It is probably Hollywood that backs a SOL on sex crimes. There should be none.

  • Sumi Allen

    Oh Joan! we women from everywhere thank you for your SELFLESS “victimhood” so the “feminists” can make a fine art out of exploiting and MUGGING women in a position of need.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_23871457/timeline-richmond-high-school-gang-rape-case

    Oh wait, the icky grodie gang rapers who loathe themselves for obvious reasons don’t have money and neither did she. So apparently nobody’s important unless they make you vile leeches “relevant”.

    This case is so agenda ridden adn we’d like our tax dollars back from the horrible PR garbage/”news”.

    One young woman suffered a HORRIBLE GANG rape by ugly grossies at a chaperoned school dance in a sanctuary $h*tty- they were poor kids. Where were the PR funded feminists to save her?

    Parasitic feminist muggers psychopaths to the rescue!

    We don’t deserve you, we’re not worthy!

    None of these nasty excuses for “women” was there when I didn’t chug my drugged drink or blacked out on wine during a tasting when I watched the liquid pour right out of the bottle.

    What would we EVER do without feminists?

    I also want to thank the “b* beating” “h* slapping” “baby mommas” black community for showing their bias free unsponsored support for “justice” whether it be the Kobe Bryant “rape case” and the murder of Nicole Simpson.

    I will always trust your bias on everything, including the Cosby “rape” “case” (UNPROVEN ALLEGATIONS).

  • Charles Wimberly

    Anyone who has actually looked at the old claims when they happened would see a clear pattern here, regardless of the recent claim(s) by women bring light to this matter. Being honest about it, I grew up with ” Dr. Huxtable”, most of us did, playing on the TV every night or week or whatever the schedule was years ago.. I loved his character as well as him. Sad part is I do believe most (not all) of the women that have came forward. I’ve worked with women of all races/nationalities that have been (proven without a doubt) sexually assaulted and you never forget their pain, humiliation and scars. I see some of the old footage and recent interviews and it’s pretty damn clear something happened with these women and him. Whatever happened it wasn’t consensual. While I’m sure money may come into the picture later for some of the accusers, most of them don’t want a DIME! They only want people to be aware of this particular sexual predator because he’s gone untouched and could (or may have) assaulted other girls or women. Like everything else….it’s open for interpretation and personal opinions. I think he’s guilty though of some of them without a doubt. Money and fame will make a lot issues quite, I know this for fact. Joan Tarshis I believe you if it’s worth anything.

  • Molly Spurgeon

    This is horrific. Don’t feel guilt or shame for not speaking up earlier, and don’t feel any shame that you somehow had a role in this. That is an awkward, IMPOSSIBLE situation to be in as a young person trying to be taken seriously in a cutthroat industry with someone who had already gained notoriety, respect, and (unwarranted) adoration. It makes me sick to my stomach to see his face now. I’m so sorry you had to go through this.

  • pjsx

    Don’t worry, the Internet is on the case. I’m sure all the people with zero knowledge of what actually happened will quickly solve this mystery.

  • Phil J Malloy

    to me this just seems like a bunch of people looking for a money train. if there was any truth to any of this why didnt they come forward when it happened? why are they only now saying something after all these years?

  • Debra Dyson

    Joan, I BELIEVE YOU! Even though it happened a long time ago, good for you for speaking out. You are very very brave and I hope this takes a tremendous weight off of your shoulders. You are a survivor and an inspiration to me. Let other victims learn from your and Barbara’s bravery that it’s never too late to speak up and say “this is what happened, and this man needs to stop!”. God bless.

  • CynthiaCJenkins
  • Rudy Arnauts

    Notice how the comments on the Bill Cosby Facebook page have just gotten disabled and almost all negative ones have been removed…..#pullYOURpantsupBill

  • SPINMASTER

    Thank you Joan for sharing your pain some..40 yrs later!!!! Any woman who was raped would immediately go..do not stop/pass..to the police!!!
    Unless of course, they were paid for those services? I just find it hard to give you any credibility some 40 yrs removed from an incident, I mean its like..Tales from the Crypt!!! I..am not even saying something did not happen. But now everybody is coming out of the woodworks at the same time? What happened? Money ran out? As any judge would say, case..dismissed!!!!!

  • Debbie Chandler

    I have a very hard time believing this woman. After all these years she wants to drag all of this out, now. Another thing that concerns me is that this woman goes into his room, to boost her career , drinks this “red eye” and he supposedly did these awful things. The next time he invites her again and she goes to keep from disappointing her mom? Drinks the same exact drink? Come on now, This is ridiculous!!! I don’t care if its for
    your career, or to keep from disappointing your mom- or anyone else. Have enough respect for yourself. If all this happened- you should have reported it right then and told your parents at that very moment. They would have been proud of you. And you should have never went back to have the same drink, sounds a little fishy to me. That’s just my opinion!!!

  • Firefly

    It is scary how many reports of rape/sexual molestation go basically in the trash can. I have had personal experience in this, trying to help a young family member stand up for the right reasons, just to see other family members (who knew the truth and verified it to me) back down, lie, and avoid getting involved because THEY were weaklings. In the end, her report was not corroborated by another, so it was deemed to not have enough merit to do anything. In the instance with Mr. Cosby, it would seem he had ‘assistance’ keeping his actions quiet. Who is going to believe a young woman over a star of his caliber? Also, the other people who may have been involved would have matched his alibi, giving her even less credibility. Personally, I believe it. Too many similarities to not be true. It is sad when we find out something like this about someone who we had idolized as children. As adults, we now know things like this go on. Not just in the ’70’s and ’80’s, but continually through time. Please do not disbelieve just because it is hard to believe. Generally, people who are raped/molested only report it when they are stronger than they were,for personal reasons to get past it, or to try to make sure it doesn’t happen to another person.

    • earl hickey

      Read the story dummy. Joan never told anyone. she never said Cosby hushed her up

      • Firefly

        I’m not saying that. Read my post, Dummy. I said WOULD have, not did. meaning IF she would have reported it, that was a possible scenario…

  • earl hickey

    Another woman who alleges she was raped by Cosby and what was her reaction ? Why to continue to see him , get raped again and again and to tell no one . Curious that she doesn’t seem to have been held in a state of involuntary servitude by Mr. Cosby but was allowed to leave and yet overcame her disgust and kept coming back for more. Was Mr. cosby exercising some sort of mind control over her or perhaps it was voodoo that he do so well

  • Brandon Smith

    She says Bill Cosby slipped something in her drink to induce incapacitation in 1969? What drug, specifically, is she accusing Cosby the Chemist of using on her in 1969? “Date rape drugs” are a common concept now, in 2014, because of drugs that rose to prominence in the late 90s.

  • Fantasy Maker

    All I know is that if I was as innocent as Cosby claims, I would do every interview, hire a cadre of lawyers and sue ANYONE who claimed I did this. He is wealthy enough to do whatever it takes to clear his name. Since he refuses, I am likely to believe these women where the statute of limitations have run out criminally and privately. All you have in this world is your honor and integrity and since he chooses to not defend either one, I think he is hiding some deep secrets and that is shameful.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400790958 Gerald Bowman

    Sorry. I don’t buy it. Why?
    #1 “The next thing I remember was coming to on his couch while being
    undressed. Through the haze I thought I was being clever when I told him
    I had an infection and he would catch it and his wife would know he had
    sex with someone. But he just found another orifice to use. I was
    sickened by what was happening to me and shocked that this man I had
    idolized was now raping me. Of course I told no one.”

    If she was so drugged she couldn’t resist, how did she both have the wits to try to fend off the attack and also recall it in great detail and clarity afterwards. This is completely inconsistent with the effects of date rape drugs.

    #2 “…He made me a redeye, and I, being nervous and dealing at the time with
    an alcohol problem (I’ve been in recovery since 1988), drank it….”

    So, a guy invites her to a hotel suite, drugs her with a spiked drink, and sodomizes her. So, he invites her and she goes to another hotel suite and has a drink he prepared for her AGAIN? Plus, he serves her the spiked drink BEFORE they go out – which means he knows the effects will happen in public? This is not credible. As an attorney in a DA’s office I would not pursue this case.

    #3 “…But soon after, I remember feeling very, very stoned and asking his
    chauffeur to take me back to the car. I was having trouble standing up. …”

    Wait. So this recently raped her. But, now that she suspects he has dosed her with drugs again she asks to be taken to his car- not for a phone to call a friend, not for an ambulance or a cop, not for help from a stranger. No, take me to the car so I can be trapped with this guy again?

    Sorry. This story is utter bullshit. No wonder she never told anyone. No one who is being even slightly objective would believe it.

  • Laderd LTY

    This bitch lying, why would she put herself in the same position more than once, and look at her she looks so comfortable telling this, the life of an actor,., Now ask yourself why now?, and what is Mr Cosby doing to enlighten the world, or educate the common folk about,., Illuminati at its best

  • wgone

    Not saying that these women are lying but I find it hard to believe that such a continuously popular man would be doing this for decades and and no allegations ever stuck. Similarities in these womens stories does not imply that its true. And there is motivation for people to come out and make these allegations. It needs to be investigated. Like this womans story – most of it could be verified.

    • PhartzDaily

      “Similarities in these women’s stories” most certainly implies a truth. The details match up too much to be coincidence. What motivation could anyone have for dragging themselves through the media in such an ugly way? Why are you so certain that he’s innocent?

      • wgone

        Similarity, if you can confirm that they didn’t hear the other persons story. These stories are very public. A woman lying for fame and money (like a lot of them do, cuz it happened to Cosby before and the woman was jailed for extortion) will make sure her story matches those of the other women.

  • Puma

    It must have been consensual considering how long she waited to expose it and back then Mr. Cosby was a handsome catch and didn’t actually suffer of the need … !

    • PhartzDaily

      “It must have been . . . ” is your way of saying that you’d have gone for him back then. It has nothing to do with anyone else in the world– that’s all about you and your need to be wanted.

    • wgone

      I must say that for a man of Cosby position, being able to get many many women why would he do this, and the knowledge that there would be a severe penalty, unless he had some kind of sex with a sleeping woman fetish.

  • Douglas Lee Davis

    When I get raped and my rapist sends a limo for me, I always get in, because this time maybe he wont rape me?

    • PhartzDaily

      When you get raped you’ll shut up and do as your told. Because that’s all part of being raped, Douglas.

      • Douglas Lee Davis

        Including going on a second rape date with them? I think not. LOL

  • http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/author/richardhorgan Richard Horgan

    I was struck by the part where Tarshis remembers noticing at Manhattan’s Sherry Netherland Hotel Cosby’s shaving kit “filled with bottles of pills.” Because it connects to some specifics Andrea Constand alleged in her 2005, settled lawsuit.

    Constand said that when she visited Cosby in 2004 at his Main Line/Philadelphia mansion, the performer gave her pills that he said were “herbal medicine” to help her cope with stress. After consuming the pills, she said she felt hazy but remembered Cosby touching her breasts and genitals.

  • MisterQuigley

    Welcome Drudge Report commenters!!! Defending a black man accused of rape is a huge first step, and we welcome you into the fold. Peace and love…

  • dangjin1

    don’t believe it. if she had real evience that woul dbe one thinkg but a repressed 30+ year old memory, sorry but i do not buy it.

    • PhartzDaily

      She never said that it was repressed, she needed to move on with her life. It’s difficult to move away from a violation like that. She did the best that she could at the time (go back and look for records of how many cases of reported rape back then were actually convicted. There were not many).

      • dangjin1

        accusing someone is not ‘getting onwith her life’ it is smearing a man’s name who is innocent until proven guilty.
        when she has real evidence then she can speak but until then she needs to go away.

    • wgone

      The timing and the lack of others earlier with being able to secure a conviction, considering what the authorities did to MJ. This is suspicious.

      • dangjin1

        not one of the women has produced real evidence so no one is going to take them seriously unless they are mentally ill. nbc has proven how mentally off they are.

  • brooklyn citizen

    Wow.

    I am amazed at how easily people were willing to believe the men that accused priests of being molested, decades after the events, and who in fact sought financial settlements and got them. some of the priests were jailed but most got off…yet the men were believed and their stories validated.

    women make up the largest group of victims of sexual abuse…and unfortunately it starts early in life for many of them which has been documented ad nauseum.

    yet women are not believed, time and time again.
    that is the default position of many men , who basically are invested in the patriarchy that benefits them.

    Dylan was not believed when she accused Woody Allen, as if it was a stretch that a man who would seduce and marry his teenage step child would be incapable of molesting another step child.

    Mckenzie Phillips was not believed and accused of trying to sell a book after her father had died.

    Invarably the posters are too lazy to even follow the facts as to why this is news now. IT was a joke…yes a series of jokes told by a comedian opened this can of worms…these women are not seeking money or anything but to tell their story rather than have someone tell it for them.

  • jenny787

    I believe you Joan and support you 100%. There is nothing in this for you but to help other women. Money is great – buck up Cosby you pig.

  • cycm44

    The Bottom Line is She Said No!
    It is Rape when someone says No!
    There is no rationalizing this or giving it an excuse or speculation, she said No! Like I’m sure the word No! Was used by the rest of the women.

    • Com Ent

      I thought I saw someone a few weeks ago drive across my lawn. I didn’t go out when it happened to say WTF? I brought it up a few days ago and she swore up and down it never happened. I knew I couldn’t prove it without a CSI analysis of the tire tracks and truck so I dropped it, realized I had waited too long. That’s life and rape, you snooze 30 years, you lose. I get so tired of that line “if I can just keep this from happening to one other person.” No guts, no justice. Maybe that sucks but there it is.

  • Alvin7

    The cultural climate in the U.S. was very different during the 60’s. All a white women would have to do is whisper a black man looked at her the wrong way and Cosby probably would have been lynched on the spot. It is troubling that it took the accuser so many years to become outraged enough to come forward. Poor baby, she has reached retirement age.

  • skiwyoming

    There are a million+ trolls on various message boards defending Cosby and accusing these women of gold digging….only one of them took Cosby to civil court (which, BTW, Cosby settled the case out of court PRIOR to 13 additional women testifying to his abuses), and that was after the criminal investigation went nowhere. Sixteen women to date, and Cosby’s adamant defenders still think there’s no substance to the claims? Who knows how many more women will come forward in the the next few weeks? While nothing to date has been proven, in my mind Cosby is appearing day by day to be nothing but a low-life sexual predator. The fact that most, if not all, of these women were young at the time of the purported abuse only reinforces my belief that Cosby was taking advantage of confused, star-struck young ladies.

  • mizzemm

    Can Joan comment on this statement? “I had heard and/or strongly suspected I was not the only white girl he had drugged and raped but I never had any proof.” All of the questions attempting to blame her for putting herself in a position to be assaulted are bullshit, but I personally find this statement problematic. What do “white girls” have to do with it?

    • AnnaZed

      That was his taste, it’s part of the pattern.

  • Bernard William Scott

    This does not sound like rape to me. She seems to consent to sex the first time because she allowed him to use a different orifice. The second time she claims there was no way she could decline the invitation. She also admits to having an alcohol abuse problem at the time of the incident. Her memory 40 years later is not reliable. I have learned my memory of events 40 years ago is not perfect. I had a vivid memory of a trip I took in 1977. I found out in 2006 2 people were on the trip that I did not recall. This was a very significant trip in my life. The people I forgot were just as important to my life in 1977 as in 2005. 40 year old memory of an alcohol abuser is not reliable.

    • PhartzDaily

      Bernard, are you a star phucker?

      • PhartzDaily

        Oh wait, sorry, we can’t rely on any of your answers. Not ever. You’ve already told us that you’re an unreliable witness to your own life.

  • PhartzDaily

    As more and more victims come forward it become less and less plausible that he’s innocent.

    I understand why Tarshis didn’t come forward sooner. Look at how people are protecting Mr Jello (really, any famous person), we can imagine what these women would’ve experienced in the 1960’s.

    Evolve people!

    • wgone

      Evolve from our desire to please women and believe them every time they make an accusation, and ignore the reptilian brain – that will be the day! Men will always need to score Pussy Points, even if they are in the friend zone.

  • لك سيدتي

    the 2% figure is bullshit. This article discusses its source :

    http://vofemme.blogspot.com/

  • Allen

    Lynch mob applicants to the left please. Those interested in remembering, ‘ Innocent until proven guilty (In court, not in the media)’, please exit by the side door.

    • Jasper Taylor

      It’s all a conspiracy created by random women who have no financial or other motivation but still… women like to fabricate elaborate drug rape stories about famous men because that happens… uh — NEVER???!

      • Allen

        Thanks for your reply. If you would please forward a translation, it would be appreciated as well.

  • Bob Alexander

    Did any of these relationships with these women last for more then a couple of dates/meetings? Did Cosby actually help any of these women?

  • jack2211

    I’m not doubting your story — but why does it matter that you were a “white girl?”

  • Saul

    You morons who deny what this guy has done are clearly low life’s who belong in the same camp with him. Do you live with your head up your own backsides? How about someone sexually assaults your mum, sister, girlfriend, wife? Then will you start using your single figure brain cells to put two and two together and not come up with ‘whatever’?

  • fako namo

    The kids, they listen to the rap music which gives them the brain damage you zee?

  • Stella bella

    Joan, I was raped at the age of 11 years old and I never told anyone. So for the people who say why didn’t you say something sooner..? Well I was embarrassed and felt it was my fault and nobody would believe me. I finally told my family at 25 and I got mixed reactions. Sometimes I wished I’d never said a word. I was abused by a cousin who went on to be a police officer. And my life never amounted to much. Today I still live with the pain and the consequences of telling. Im glad the family knows, but its always uncomfortable when we have family funtions.I’m proud of you for coming forward Joan, may God give you the peace that surpasses all understanding.

  • Chad Chen

    A carefully constructed story.No-one in show business could NOT know that Bill Cosby was Hugh Hefner’s closest black associate. Cosby was photographed hundreds of times in the pages of Playboy magazine attending pagan orgies at the Playboy Mansion. That was part of his public profile. Omitted facts designed to lead gullible people to a predetermined conclusion are a violation of basic journalistic standards. Why was this woman seeking to use Cosby to further her own career in the Big City, but expecting to give nothing to him in return? That is not how life plays out in New York or Los Angeles.

  • rastaman44

    Why have folks not looked sat this issue logically. The USA of the 1960’s to 1980’s ( when these alleged rapes occured)was a society of stupefying racism. Networks could not even show an interacial love story on televison for fear of a negative public outcry and backlash.

    But despite this fact, Bill Cosby, a black man with a benign public image, was able to “rape” this WHITE woman and other WHITE women without some DA taking him down and at least indcting him? In what world does this crap happen? is this a Fantasy island episode?

    The charges are complete GARBAGE because it would not be POSSIBLE for a black man to have gotten away with these actions then or even now. Use your brains. folks. THINK!!!

  • jmk

    Is that a typo? Why does she start with discussing shooting The Cosby Show in 1969? Wasn’t that in the 1980s?

  • Moshulu

    “I thought I was being clever when I told him I had an infection and he would catch it and his wife would know he had sex with someone. But he just found another orifice to use.”

    Which one might that be?

  • yrj

    bill musta used condoms, or else u figure he’d have impregnated a few accusers

  • Reserving Judgement

    No one wants to play the race card, so I will: I find it incredibly difficult to believe that several WHITE WOMEN were drugged and raped by a BLACK MAN 35 years ago IN AMERICA and none of them felt powerful enough to go to the police about this BLACK MAN! I’m sorry, but it’s a bit hard to swallow this one. If he was white, I could understand. But I feel like no one is examining the issue completely : How difficult could it have been for several WHITE WOMEN to accuse a BLACK MAN of rape in the 70s?

  • Annie

    I wish he would have never invited those honkies to his anything. They always do that mess! Sleep with a Rich African American. Man then want cry rape. They did that mess in slavery times and doing Jim Crow says

  • Com Ent

    I sadly think there’s something here but don’t know exactly what. Two of the accusers trouble me. Tarshis said she had a drinking problem and wondered if other “white” girls had also been attacked. Why the racial distinction? She also went back a second time and had a drink even though she says she was repulsed by the thought of seeing him again. Ms. Bowman also returned repeatedly to her alleged abuser and even said she thought it was necessary for her career. She really lost me when she lectured and taunted Mrs. Cosby. That’s just out of bounds. Perhaps I’d be shrill too had I been abused, but these accusers say odd things about what happened with weak reasons for why they returned, Ms. Bowman again and again, and accepted drinks they suspected were spiked from someone who had allegedly attacked them. There may be more believable witnesses but I haven’t heard from them yet.

  • kc

    yeah…right

  • Jeremy

    Where is the story about the woman who is accusing Cosby of rape, being in prison for FRAUD! Why is the media ignoring this?

  • Awi1967

    Oh my God…I’m so sorry you had to go through that…and I understand perfectly while in your situation and Bill Cosby’s “Importance & Respectable” Figure in TV, why no one believed you. Good for you that you are not courageous enough to speak about it. I hope that every single one of those women surface, that not one is still silenced by their shame and disgust of what happened to them. Continue to stand strong together lovely women! My prayers that he will be proven GUILTY and do jail time, not just money compensations because every sexual offender/Rapist needs to endure some emotional pain and be stripped of their freedom just like the women they hurt. I will however pray for everyone involved in this horrible and sadly uncommon story in Hollywood, and here in the midst of our own lives behind the public eye. Shalom!

  • Awi1967

    I regret sharing on this site, because rather than showing some support for the women in similar situations involving Bill Cosby, you people are sharing opinions/comments based on your own feelings about the whole situation, which does not help anyone, especially the women involved. Of course we are all going to have opinions, preferences, because this is a delicate topic, but this is NOT the place to do it, especially since all the facts are not in yet. Goodbye!

  • waltereg0

    Doesn’t anyone else find it incredible that after being given a drugged drink and anally raped, she went out with him a second time as his date, and even accepted a drink from him again? And she did it because her mother was so impressed by him? It’s so easy to make up an excuse, like not feeling well, to skip a date, or at least pass on drinking anything that your previous rapist has poured for you.
    It does seem more credible now only because there are a dozen other incidents, all with white women, which establishes that Cosby has a type of preferred victim. But there’s a reason this person wouldn’t have been believed until just recently. Her story seems pretty unbelievable.

  • http://douyswofford.blogpost.com Douy Swofford

    Thank you, Jeff. Joan deserves this format.

  • abcdesigner

    Seriously??? Is anyone really listening or reading what these women (Joan Tarshis and Barbara Bowman) are saying? They claim that they were drugged numerous times by Bill…but by their own will, they kept going back to him. They did not have any ties to him…maybe just promises to make them famous. They could have walked away, but instead continuously put themselves in the same position. Joan Tarshis states that he offered her alcohol numerous times and claims that he molested her. She states that she is then embarrassed and repulsed by him, but when he later invited her to an event, she accepted and allowed the limo driver to pick her up and drop her off at “His Hotel Room”. She admitted that she saw bottles of pills “in his leather shaving kit” that he possibly drugged her with previously(really!?) and knowing all of this, went to the musical with Bill Cosby, returned to “his hotel room” and proceeded to drink alcohol that he had mixed for her before she woke up in his bed the next morning confused???. Barbara Bowman states that Bill was controlling and manipulating. She states that there were “numerous” times that she woke up confused and hung over while in his presence, yet continuously subjected herself to him. Neither have any valid proof that they were drugged. Drinking too much alcohol can have the same affect as drugs if it is abused, causing a person to pass out and not have complete memory. It seems like the alcohol was voluntarily consumed. One of the women, Joan, claim to be a former alcoholic, so it doesn’t sound like she was forced to drink. I am not agreeing with what Mr.Crosby did, especially because he was married. But these women knew he had a wife and still had a relationship with him.. Please do not use the excuse of being young and naïve. They are only making excuses why they would let someone treat them this way…that is called having NO RESPECT for yourself!

  • denbenenki

    She flew across the country to “work on a monologue with Godfrey Cambridge”? At age 19?

    She informs us she got the chance to meet Sidney Poitier, though she was introduced to him as “Midget.”

    These white women seem to have had the courage to hang out with black men, yet feared what people might say if she reported she had been raped?

  • denbenenki

    As a racist white man, I take umbrage that I feel I have a duty to question these allegations against Cosby, when at his age, I sadly have to say I NEVER had a white woman (as pretty as these women had been) EVER join me a second time when ever I lucked out to catch them drunk or doped up enough to lay with me.

    Was it bcz I did not also provide them muscle-relaxers—or bcz they did not need them with me?

  • denbenenki

    Joan told CNN Donovan Lemon she warned Cosby she had an infectious disease and then he forced himself into her mouth, and she did not resist.

    Here she tells of hanging out with Cosby and two other black guys. About 20+ white women seem to have the same tolerance as Joan here.

    Are there any other white men not getting the same action these white women are giving black guys?

  • ruby33

    too bad cosby didn’t become a director…

  • ruby33

    And convicted rapist Roman Polanski still gets a pass.

  • Lulumags

    So many of these comments are so full of anger. NO one knows for sure if any of these things happened. The women are saying he drugged them we don’t know if that is true. Yes, I am very aware of ” date rape” drugs, however most that has had them used, rarely remember anything other then waking up knowing something had happened. Not the many details that most of these women claim. And if it happened once, why go back then? It makes no sense to me. One person spoke out, and we will never know why, and then all these others climbed on the band wagon! A 15 year old blonde white woman, raped by a black man in 1969 and afraid to tell anyone? No. I can’t believe it. No where in America can I believe that. And Spinmaster…..sounds like you really can spin a tale, with that foul mouth. I think you mean flousie? I had 7 brothers and six sisters. If one of my brothers ever talked about any of his sister in the way you do here, we would have beat them up and disowned them. Shame on you.

  • Ross Vachon

    Is it at all possible that Cosby himself has only a dim awareness of his bizarre depravities against what could amount to hundreds of women? That by repressing his shadow self, his primitive sexual instincts to become Mr. Family Entertainment, the nicest, most non-threatening and beloved black funnyman of our time that the monster within took over? It would explain a lot of his strange reactions.

  • disqus_15iytZpnDX

    These are all just whores… what is the big deal? They were proabably hired out by te Democrat party to frame Cosby.. Whores are Whores you know.

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  • JayRaskin

    There are two serious factual problems with Ms. Tarsis’ story.
    1) Bill Cosby only played two shows at the Westbury Music Fair in 1969. These were on May 31st and June 1st, 1969. The New York Times of that year have adds for these performance, but no other ads for any performances by Bill Cosby at the Westbury Music. Ms. Tarsis says that the second of two assault happened at that time. She places the cause of her seeing Cosby again after the first assault, was her mother being a fan of his new show “The Bill Cosby Show”. However, this show did not premiere on NBC until September 15th. Tarsis wrote, ““Back home with my parents, my mother kept bringing his name up as a
    source of pride. Cosby was very hot then with his first sitcom, The Bill Cosby Show, and she was proud that her daughter had written with him.” Cosby could not have been hot with his first sitcom when he appeared at the Westbury Music Fair on May 31st and June 1st because the Bill Cosby Show did not premiere until September 15th.

    Early Tarsis says that she talked with Cosby about an Earthquake. She writes In his bungalow he made me a redeye, and “I began to tell him about the
    earthquake Los Angeles had just had and the sound it made.”
    Los Angeles did not have an Earthquake. The only Earthquake in California that year was in Santa Rosa on October 2nd. Therefore, if Tarsis was talking about a recent Earthquake, it must have been the Santa Rosa Earthquake of October 2nd.

    What this shows is that Tarsis has mixed up the dates of her meetings with Cosby. The first meeting was at the Westbury Music Fair on May 31st or June 1st and the second meeting was at Universal Studios after October 2nd.

    It seems clear that Ms. Tarsis did not go to see Cosby at the Music Fair because her mother insisted. Since Cosby had never met her there was no reason for Cosby to send a limo to pick her up. Far more likely is that she simply showed up at his hotel to get an interview. He was on his way to the Music Fair, so she accompanied him. They went back to his hotel room, she drank and had consensual sex.

    She went to see him at Universal studios as she said, but only five months later. After a few meetings, they had sex again, but because she had an infection only oral sex.

    In light of the recent accusations, Ms. Tarsis has misremembered the brief affair and has mixed up the dates. Obviously the affair at the Hotel after the Westbury Music Fair came first. The fact that she went back to see him at Universal Studios can only indicate that the first affair was consensual. She had mixed feelings about resuming the affair. She obviously did not want to, but at the same time, she wanted a job as a writer. She made up the story about the infection and gave him oral sex. She must have felt cheated, used and humiliated when he did not hire her after that. It was these feelings that made her dislike Cosby all those years after when she saw him.

    Rather then seeing it as a bad affair, she has recast it as a sexual assault. Except for this, she has been a lot more honest than most of the accusers in admitting that she had an alcohol problem.

  • MaryDtn9

    https://plus.google.com/103041359322144339544/posts/e5vBecfNDJw
    Facts: 35+ women accuse Bill Cosby of rape. 98% of victims tell the truth.
    95% of rape crimes are never reported because victims fear rapist reprisal.
    Cosby didn’t rape just once 30 years ago, Cosby has been raping for 50 years.
    Bill Cosby is no racist, he raped regardless of color. Cosby ownes this!!
    Agree, share/check this link, Why, VICTIMS MATTER. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED.
    https://plus.google.com/103041359322144339544/posts/e5vBecfNDJw

  • Stephen Tanenbaum

    Take a step back and deep breath. We have another wanabee actress and a major article. Why does she, via the article, she seems to admit (since she does NOT talk about any of these issues) that:

    1) Re: alleged rape #1 she did NOT say NO, did NOT say STOP (he used other orifice), she did NOT push him away and she did NOT LEAVE.

    2) She admits she preferred being with rapist Cosby, alone in his limo heading into the night and heading for her alleged rape #2 because she could not come up with an excuse for her mother. How about “mom I can’t go cause I am SICK?

    3) So she admits consenting to see him ALONE for another night together.

    4) RE alleged rape #2 she admits she was not conscious and does not know what happened. Another accuser says she awakened to find Cos licking her foot. So she freely admits she did not herself consciously witness the rape since she does not know what he did or did not do.

    Accuser Bowman, another wanaabee actress said: He was a pot of gold and I needed to take good care of it (him).’ This was the admitted mind set of many actress wanabee accusers.

    Add to this decades upon decades later not a shred of credible, objective evidence that any sex crime occurred.

    FYI: Most famous accuser former super model Bev Johnson alleges Cosby came at her and he he he ‘ touched my WAIST. She objected and he evicted her, called her a taxi and she went home. ZERO SEX.
    Carla Ferrigno alleges he kissed her once, they chatted about it and she went home. Now tell me what exactly this ads up to????

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